Will there be a witch/queen in seven dwarfs mine train?

[Adam5897]

The new fantasyland page on the official Disney parks website the description of the Seven dwarfs mine train says "Embark on an exhilitating journey inspired by The classic disney film snow white and the seven dwarfs". Does this mean the main phocus of the seven dwarfs has changes and do you think we will see a queen/ witch animatronic?

 

[ExtinctJenn]

From the mock up video I saw and the concept art I think it's more focused around the dwarfs and their mine. I'd love it if the queen made an appearance and I'm sure she will but I don't believe she's the main 'theme' of the attraction like SWSA.

 

[Adam5897]

I agree but Mabey this is why it is taking so long for the SDMT to be built. I remember the description before being about the seven dwarfs an not its about the whole movie. I think the imagineers changed their mind in the middle of construction as usual and this is why it is taking so long. They probably wanted to add the queen or something else in a way that made then change the original intent of the ride. They even changed the name from fantasyland forest to "enchanted forest" they just can't make up their mind.

 

[danlb_2000]

I agree but Mabey this is why it is taking so long for the SDMT to be built. I remember the description before being about the seven dwarfs an not its about the whole movie. I think the imagineers changed their mind in the middle of construction as usual and this is why it is taking so long. They probably wanted to add the queen or something else in a way that made then change the original intent of the ride. They even changed the name from fantasyland forest to "enchanted forest" they just can't make up their mind.

The ride isn't taking any longer to build then would be expected from Disney. It's always been targeted for early 2014, and has a construction timeline consistent with the time it took to build the rest of the expansion. I don't see any reason to believe they have changed the focus of the ride being on the Dwarfs.

 

[ExtinctJenn]

I agree but Mabey this is why it is taking so long for the SDMT to be built. I remember the description before being about the seven dwarfs an not its about the whole movie. I think the imagineers changed their mind in the middle of construction as usual and this is why it is taking so long. They probably wanted to add the queen or something else in a way that made then change the original intent of the ride. They even changed the name from fantasyland forest to "enchanted forest" they just can't make up their mind.

I don't know that the attraction is really "taking so long" to be built. If I remember right, from the early stages of the announcements on this they were saying it was going to be a later opening than everything else so when the 2014 date was shared it wasn't a shock. They didn't even share the concept stuff until last year's D23 I think. But again, the concept art really points to this being "Dwarf" focused as the area the ride is going into is themed like their cottage, the ride vehicles are mine carts and the video they release pretty much showed them going through the mine only. Again I'm sure they could squeeze the queen in there somewhere... maybe for the "dark ride" portion of the attraction. I haven't seen any concept art that says definitely yes or definitely no to me though.

 

[Adam5897]

The ride isn't taking any longer to build then would be expected from Disney. It's always been targeted for early 2014, and has a construction timeline consistent with the time it took to build the rest of the expansion. I don't see any reason to believe they have changed the focus of the ride being on the Dwarfs.

But why did they start so late compared to everything else? I think because they can't decide what they wanted the ride to be. I also have a feeling that it's only called 7DMT because of the swinging carts not the main theme of the ride

 

[danlb_2000]

But why did they start so late compared to everything else? I think because they can't decide what they wanted the ride to be. I also have a feeling that it's only called 7DMT because of the swinging carts not the main theme of the ride

It was started late because it wasn't in the original plans for the expansion. When the expansion was first announced the area with the mine ride was going to have a couple interactive meet and greets instead, there was even concept art of this. At some point they changed the plan and scrapped the M&Gs and Pixie Hollow and put in the Mine Ride. I believe the intention has always been for it to focus on the Dwarfs in thier mine and not to try to tell the whole Snow White story.

 

[Adam5897]

I don't know regardless of when and why they started I hope it at least has one queen and snow white because just the dwarfs sounds weird

 

[IWant2GoNow]

But why did they start so late compared to everything else? I think because they can't decide what they wanted the ride to be. I also have a feeling that it's only called 7DMT because of the swinging carts not the main theme of the ride

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this area of the FLE started later because this area was up in the air as to what it was going to be exactly. It was going to be extravagant meet & greets for Cinderella & Aurora, but was changed to the SDMT when they realized how girl-heavy the expansion was going to be. That's how I took it anyway.

EDIT: danlb beat me to it.

 

[ExtinctJenn]

It was started late because it wasn't in the original plans for the expansion. When the expansion was first announced the area with the mine ride was going to have a couple interactive meet and greets instead, there was even concept art of this. At some point they changed the plan and scrapped the M&Gs and Pixie Hollow and put in the Mine Ride. I believe the intention has always been for it to focus on the Dwarfs in thier mine and not to try to tell the whole Snow White story.

To help show this a little better...

Original Concept Art (No Dwarf cottage, no coaster)

Concept Art (w/ coaster)
http://www./wp-content/uploads/2011/01/new-fantasyland-overview-high-res.jpg

You can also see the concept changes for the Storybook Circus area in these comparisons.

 

[Adam5897]

To help show this a little better...

Original Concept Art (No Dwarf cottage, no coaster)

Concept Art (w/ coaster)
http://www./wp-content/uploads/2011/01/new-fantasyland-overview-high-res.jpg

You can also see the concept changes for the Storybook Circus area in these comparisons.

I aware of what the concept art originally was my point I they take too lolaborte on these things and clearly can't make up their minds the description on the website clearly changed and thy even changed the name of the whole part. It seems like no one agrees that they are indecisive

 

[ExtinctJenn]

I aware of what the concept art originally was my point I they take too lolaborte on these things and clearly can't make up their minds the description on the website clearly changed and thy even changed the name of the whole part. It seems like no one agrees that they are indecisive

What you're describing is the process of making any plan come to fruition though. Any time you're working a project you come across things that make you go in another direction or ideas that spark a change in concept or name. That's extremely common no matter the size of the project Disney is working on (and is true of project management processes in the non-Disney world). All we're saying is that in this case, the reason the area/ride isn't opening until after the rest of the FLE is because it was a change in concept for what that area would be. It's not necessarily because they can't decide on a concept for the attraction etc. I anticipate the attraction will be very close to what the newest concept art and concept video portray and that it's just that it now will take awhile to make it a reality.

 

[alissafalco]

Either way it was a good idea to scrap all the M&G's and at least add another ride instead. IMO they could have added more rides. It falls short of rides. Instead of the Casey spray and diarrhea they could have made that a great ride like in DL. Have the train go all around the circus area. Kids can stay dry and at least there would have been another ride added.

 

[danlb_2000]

Either way it was a good idea to scrap all the M&G's and at least add another ride instead. IMO they could have added more rides. It falls short of rides. Instead of the Casey spray and diarrhea they could have made that a great ride like in DL. Have the train go all around the circus area. Kids can stay dry and at least there would have been another ride added.

Actually, they didn't "add a ride" since SWSA was displaced by the M&Gs so there is no net gain in rides between the two plans.

 

[MagicMike]

In my opinion, you could add an Witch/Evil Queen to just about anything and make it 100% more awesome. Lets hope she makes an appearance.

 

[tl77]

If there is going to be a Queen/Witch it'll probably just be something fly passed like the Yeti in Everest, because it doesn't look like there's going to be a lot of time for story telling on this ride.

And the part of the reason it's taking so long is because the 7 Dwarfs mine coaster is a lot more elaborate and difficult to build than the Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty M&G's would have been, if they had stayed with the original plan it'd probably all be opening this Dec.

To help show this a little better...

Original Concept Art (No Dwarf cottage, no coaster)

Concept Art (w/ coaster)
http://www./wp-content/uploads/2011/01/new-fantasyland-overview-high-res.jpg

You can also see the concept changes for the Storybook Circus area in these comparisons.

btw even with the Mine Train there are still 5 M&G in New Fantasyland, Belle, Ariel, Snow White, Silly Side Show, and Princess Hall

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The ride will not have the witch. We've seen the CGI siumlation and concept art and there's nothing indicating she (or any other "Scary Adventure") will be featured in the ride, unless some random, last-minute chage is made.

Regardless of what's in the movie, current [Orlando] Disney obviously does not view such characters and situations as "appropriate" for Fantasyland, unfortunately.

 

[EvilQueen-T]

The ride will not have the witch. We've seen the CGI siumlation and concept art and there's nothing indicating she (or any other "Scary Adventure") will be featured in the ride, unless some random, last-minute chage is made.

Regardless of what's in the movie, current [Orlando] Disney obviously does not view such characters and situations as "appropriate" for Fantasyland, unfortunately.

i get it but...booooo.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

In terms of construction work, they done a whole lot of it already:

1. Foundation poured.
2. Utilities probably ready to be hooked up/conduit in place
3. Framing of the mountain has begun.
4. Parts of the roller coaster done, probably inside coaster track done first, then "mountain" is being built around it.

In terms of building a house, once you get the walls up and the roof on, you've got a good start. Of course, Disney will require months of artists doing the rockwork and other details.

I think that the construction has really picked up recently because when FLE opens (sans the Seven Dwarfs Coaster), it will be harder to move construction equipment/materials, in and out, unless they have allowed for a walled-off narrow pathway.

Here's how I would estimate the construction schedule:

January 2013. Rockwork has already been attached, and the painters are now working on the paint job. The entire track has been laid out. Horticulturists are planting trees and plants, work on any streams has been completed. Construction of Snow White's cottage is half-way done. (Rockwork for Cardillac Mountain Range I believe was in the process of being finished up about a year before Carsland opened, maybe a couple months less).

April 2013. Major electrical work is begun, plumbing, and the installation of the ride vehicles and system begins once rock work is completely painted and fake trees/plants added.

July 2013. Ride vehicle testing begins. Disney artists descend on the attraction to paint and add details to the queue portion of the ride.

October 2013. Ride vehicle testing continues, animatronics are added, or are fine tuned. Detail work continues, and rumors of a soft opening in three or so months begin. Horticulturists add shrubbery, other details. Work on Snow White's cottage nears completion.

January 2014. Fine tuning of animatronics and ride system continues, detail work is finishing up. Outdoor animatronic dwarfs marching on log are seen spotted by tourists peering over the wall. Ride to have soft openings in weeks, after more safety testing.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

The ride will not have the witch. We've seen the CGI siumlation and concept art and there's nothing indicating she (or any other "Scary Adventure") will be featured in the ride, unless some random, last-minute chage is made.

Imagineers have hinted that the witch may make a cameo. Also, the CGI simulation shown at D23 or wherever is not the whole ride, only a couple select scenes, inside the mine, with the Dwarfs. (If you go watch it again you'd see it is clearly edited).

In terms of scare factor, riding SWSA meant you got close to the witch and you're going slow, which isn't as scary as flying by on a roller coaster and seeing the witch trying to drop a boulder on you from above, which a lot of little kids would miss, or at least not get as close a look at her, and wouldn't be so scared.