Phroobar
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No race wants to play King George.
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Will Snow White's Enchanted Wish suffer same fate as Splash Mountain following Peter Dinklage's comments?
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It certainly helps. Not by accident that the people with power happen to be white men. Bruce's Beach, Tulsa, Wilmington, redlining, many infrastructure site choices etc. show how property and financial security were removed from people of color to keep them from having any power.
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Jonathan Groff was my absolute favorite in Hamilton.
No Name
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This is a predictably ignorant post. You think the same treatment should be applied to all races, when unfortunately this hasn’t been the case for black people in America for centuries, so these efforts are important in making up that ground. You don’t make progress by doing the opposite thing that you’re working towards.This is pretty much what this is. And if box office receipts of the past five years are any indication, when movies do that so blatantly they tend to bomb. And bomb hard. The audience is not stupid.
It is strange. And yet not without precedent from Disney of the last 10 years at their parks or their studios.
The very strict two-part rule seems to be.
1. If a story is based on traditional European literature (Hans Christian Andersen, European folktales, a long list of 19th century British authors, etc.) then the actors portraying those characters can be of any race, even if the story mentions the clearly European racial characteristics of the character (hair color, complexion, eye color, etc.).
Example #482 of this No Rules Casting concept from DCA's Frozen at The Hyperion, portraying the most famous work of Scandinavia's most famous author Hans Christian Andersen set in a mythical Scandinavian land...
Shout out to that twink in the background! Steal that scene, my dear!
2. And yet, a five minute walk away in the same theme park, DCA had their wonderful Tale of The Lion King show. This was based on a modern animated film created out of whole cloth by late 20th century Americans, that was based in a mythical African land where animals spoke English. There were no humans shown in The Lion King, only animals. And yet, this was the casting they mysteriously chose for that fun little show...
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I have no problem with mixed or opposite casting as a fun, fresh take on an old classic that's been done normally to death in the past. I don't know anyone who has a problem with that. I remember being totally enchanted by that TV remake of Cinderella they did 25 years ago with that lovely young Black actress whose name now escapes me and a fresh diverse cast of supporting roles. Talk about fun TV! I still remember it decades later.
But there is clearly a set of new and very strict rules Disney's casting agents and producers work by in this stuff. Especially in the theme parks.
If it's a traditional European story using European culture and peoples, then Open Casting rules automatically apply. But if it's a story based in Asia, Central or South America, or Africa using those cultures or peoples (or even animals), then Traditional Race Based Casting rules automatically apply.
It's absolutely fascinating how that must work for them and how strict it all is, but there we are.
Anyway I’m mostly replying because that first picture is kind of funny, why is he chest bumping her?
TP2000
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Is a theme park stage show responsible for righting the wrongs of past decades and centuries, whos perpetrators have all died long ago? Does Disneyland need to put a disclaimer in the queue regarding the The Evil Queen in Snow White who transitions into a witch for Anaheim audiences, because witches were burned at the stake in Massachussetts in the 1690's?
I mean, you do support the wrongfully accused witch community, don't you?
Because it's a fresh new take on traditional Scandinavian literature by Scandinavia's most famous author. You get to do that when it's a book about white people. No rules apply! Go wild!
But if it's about The Lion King (animals who speak English), then you have to follow all casting and stagecraft rules very, very carefully and very, very seriously. Because of the strict rules and rigid culture that 21st century theater is based on.
No Name
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Oh they’re all long dead, which is why we currently live in a society where these issues never arise!
Californian Elitist
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Vegas Disney Fan
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Judging by the merchandise in the parks, and my closet, I think Grumpy is probably the most profitable by far, followed by Dopey, Snow White third, then probably Sleepy… there’s tons of SN7D merchandise in the parks.
The dwarfs are a cash cow because you’ve got a ready made character for every emotion and circumstance.
TP2000
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They're also a group of characters that sell well to adult men, especially the Grumpy stuff. And until Marvel and Star Wars came along, there wasn't much for sale at Disneyland that the dads of America would want to buy or wear.
It was in all the papers:I just took the movie at face value. That it was set in 1940's Los Angeles in an alternate world where cartoons lived with humans, and where evil humans who wanted to build freeways could kill the good guy cartoons by spraying them with acetone called "dip". Plus there was wacky hijinx and a surprisingly sexy leading actress cartoon.
But if that plotline gets us to the Jim Crow South, then so be it. It's at least a good argument for not dawdling at the snack bar lest you miss a secret and coded plot point.
"It isn’t hard to apply the Toons’ predicament to real life, to those once considered good enough to perform in clubs but not to eat or drink in them, whose choices were to be in the spotlight or in the kitchen; those who must live in sealed-off ghettos on land controlled by others. The film makers are well aware of the Toons’ symbolism, but they choose simply to show them, not preach about them."
The Animated Wonders of 'Roger Rabbit' : Movie Review: Feverishly Inventive Mix of Actors, Cartoon Characters
What's amazing about "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" (selected theaters), a sort of inked-in film noir with outrageous sight gags, is how quickly we begin to accept the miracle in front of our eyes.
www.latimes.com
It would be a shame if Snow White's Enchanted Wish had to close or get another major revamp. The transformation the ride went through when the park opened back up is fantastic IMO. The ride needed a happy ending and it was better to not focus entirely on the Evil Queen/Witch as the previous version did.
Before there were large cancel culture mobs, some people in today's world were already criticizing the fairy tale. This viral video from 2014 said it wasn't morally okay for a girl of Snow White's age to be living with seven men. Maybe the Disney company saw how popular that video was and decided not to have those characters be seven little males in the live-action film.
Before there were large cancel culture mobs, some people in today's world were already criticizing the fairy tale. This viral video from 2014 said it wasn't morally okay for a girl of Snow White's age to be living with seven men. Maybe the Disney company saw how popular that video was and decided not to have those characters be seven little males in the live-action film.
Professortango1
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The ride had a happy ending before. The Witch was trying to get you and then she dies and you get to live another day. That is a happy ending. Snow White's Scary Adventures was one of my favourites. Now, it is bland and disjointed.
Mac Tonight
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They are not changing the ride (again).
The ride is based on the animated movie where the dwarves are depicted as they are.
Full stop.
The ride is based on the animated movie where the dwarves are depicted as they are.
Full stop.
CaptinEO
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Wow, 69 million people watched that?
I forget how different youtube was before. Now the only people making it on youtube are people with crazy production values / equipment and regular uploads. I miss when it was an amateur video hub for creators.
An actor named Martin Kelbba said that he will be playing Grumpy in the film. So, it appears that these magical creatures will have the Dwarfs' names and characteristics. So, it's safe to say that Snow White's Enchanted Wish and the Seven Dwarfs' Mine Train won't be going through any serious changes.
Martin Klebba Reveals Role as Grumpy in Disney's Live-Action Snow White Remake
Martin Klebba Reveals Role as Grumpy in Disney's Live-Action Snow White Remake