Will Snow White's Enchanted Wish suffer same fate as Splash Mountain following Peter Dinklage's comments?

Pepper's Ghost

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But they don't work in a cave, they work in a mine. A gemstone mine... With curiously already faceted gemstones.
I'm late to the game on this comment, but I love these slightly off-topic gems (as in comments) I read on these boards occasionally. It's those obvious things we all kind of accept even though given a tiny bit of thought don't make sense. I love when some of you point out ones I've looked past, because I tend to find these a lot myself. I realize the movie is not going to show rocks that supposedly contain gemstones within or rough colored rocks that you're supposed to realize are gemstones because then they have to overexplain what they're digging for, but you're 100% right about this. 🤣
 

DrAlice

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Because y'all are having a nice argument, let me throw some fuel to your fire. Hot off the Wikipedia presses!! If the literature cited section is to be believed, the original source of the quote is from 1911 and refers to dwarves/dwarfs in German folklore. Snow White is a tale collected by the Grimm's, so, you know, German in origin. Anyway, here you go:

"In Middle High German heroic poetry, most dwarfs have long beards, but some may have a childish appearance. In some stories, the dwarf takes on the attributes of a knight. ......... Despite their small size, dwarfs typically have superhuman strength, either by nature or through magical means."

Again, this is referring to some OLD stories that pre-date Tolkein. Magical. Not human.

Anyway, just throwing this out there. Carry on with the argument about what this means for representation and stuff. I'm not touching that conversation with a 39.5 ft. pole. :D
 

MikeN

New Member
I am also coming late to the post but I think the topic is worth talking about.



This discussion started because Peter Dinklage made a comment about a classic movie that had no objective other than to entertain people and help them forget that there was a depression going on...for a short time people could escape from reality and forget times were tough. Any comparison to the social norms of then and now are fruitless and will only succeed in dividing the country more than it already is.

What happened to watching a movie for the pure joy of entertainment. If people do not like the content or the portrayal of certain characters then they should vote with their dollars and not support it.

Disney has caved to the pressures of todays societal norms (Am I so ignorant that I need a disclaimer before I watch the Aristicats or Peter Pan?) and until people stop supporting their decisions there will be no incentive to change.
 

Pepper's Ghost

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"In Middle High German heroic poetry, most dwarfs have long beards, but some may have a childish appearance. In some stories, the dwarf takes on the attributes of a knight. ......... Despite their small size, dwarfs typically have superhuman strength, either by nature or through magical means."
This explains "The Hobbit" movie series a little better for me now. 🤣 If you've never seen the movie, yes, The Hobbit was about a hobbit, but most of the characters are dwarves.
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Dear Prudence

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It's very ironic when you think about it.

Walt had little to no resources and risked everything he had to make Snow White and it was a massive success that is loved to this day.

The 2022 Disney Company with all the resources and money in the world will make their Snow White film and it will be a box office bomb and critical failure.

All the bad / corny writing, all the pointless expedition, and forced woke messages about women empowerment and being a Latina in Germany, this film will be the perfect way to compare with the original to see how the Disney company went down the drain.
This was said by me in the other thread, but there are German Latinas. There's magic mirrors, transformations, birds that do laundry, etc., and y'all are worried about people who actually exist?
 

Professortango1

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Just maybe...

If they cast something like that, the Twitter rage electrons would flow like wine.
Yes, because a traditionally white role being cast with an actor who's race is often underrepresented isn't affecting the whole swath of white-led films and shows. Casting a lead role which is traditionally associated with a minority as a white actor takes away one of the less common instances of a minority race being represented as a lead in a film.

The situations are not equal, so you can't draw equivalencies between them. If Hispanic women were cast as often as White women in films, you'd have a point. But that isn't the case.

Another issue is that minority characters often have their race be a part of who their character is. Black Panther has to be black because his identity as a black African is tied directly to who is character is and what he represents. Whereas Peter Parker can be any race because he's just a nerdy kid who gets superpowers. His race isn't important to who he is as a character and what he represents.

We often see these with white characters. They have defining characteristics other than their skin color. They are just "normal" people. If Superman is Black or Indian looking, it doesn't affect his story of being an alien from another world trying to blend in and save humanity.

As for Snow White, she should be the fairest in the land. Now, if this land isn't a European-based land, fair might be a different complexion to what we consider fair. If Snow White was set in the heart of Africa and Zendaya played Snow, it would make sense. She's fair skinned for a Black woman. They might say that her skin is as white as snow.

All in all, I don't care what they do with Snow White. As a character, she is pretty dull. She's pretty and nice, those are her defining characteristics. She doesn't have any agency in the story. She flees when she's told to flee, she hides out with 7 men, and then she eats an apple from a stranger. If they make her interesting and compelling, then her complexion is a non-issue for me.
 

TP2000

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Regardless of the race of the actress the film looks like a disaster with all the shortcomings of modern Disney. I'm sure the actress they chose is fine, it's just the whole idea of miscasting characters to get twitter likes that bugs me.

This is pretty much what this is. And if box office receipts of the past five years are any indication, when movies do that so blatantly they tend to bomb. And bomb hard. The audience is not stupid.

Disney claims they cast color blind, yet you know if it was a Latina character they were casting for they would not cast a German actress.

For a company that is supposed to be about "representation" it's strange to see them completely disregard Germans.

It is strange. And yet not without precedent from Disney of the last 10 years at their parks or their studios.

The very strict two-part rule seems to be.

1.
If a story is based on traditional European literature (Hans Christian Andersen, European folktales, a long list of 19th century British authors, etc.) then the actors portraying those characters can be of any race, even if the story mentions the clearly European racial characteristics of the character (hair color, complexion, eye color, etc.).

Example #482 of this No Rules Casting concept from DCA's Frozen at The Hyperion, portraying the most famous work of Scandinavia's most famous author Hans Christian Andersen set in a mythical Scandinavian land...

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Shout out to that twink in the background! Steal that scene, my dear!

2. And yet, a five minute walk away in the same theme park, DCA had their wonderful Tale of The Lion King show. This was based on a modern animated film created out of whole cloth by late 20th century Americans, that was based in a mythical African land where animals spoke English. There were no humans shown in The Lion King, only animals. And yet, this was the casting they mysteriously chose for that fun little show...

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I have no problem with mixed or opposite casting as a fun, fresh take on an old classic that's been done normally to death in the past. I don't know anyone who has a problem with that. I remember being totally enchanted by that TV remake of Cinderella they did 25 years ago with that lovely young Black actress whose name now escapes me and a fresh diverse cast of supporting roles. Talk about fun TV! I still remember it decades later.

But there is clearly a set of new and very strict rules Disney's casting agents and producers work by in this stuff. Especially in the theme parks.

If it's a traditional European story using European culture and peoples, then Open Casting rules automatically apply. But if it's a story based in Asia, Central or South America, or Africa using those cultures or peoples (or even animals), then Traditional Race Based Casting rules automatically apply.

It's absolutely fascinating how that must work for them and how strict it all is, but there we are. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Professortango1

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Even though her character's name, the book's title, and the movie's title, is literally Snow White?
Yep. The actress the cast is fair-skinned and depending on where they set the movie, it can work. What's more important is giving Snow something to do other than being pretty and nice. I mean, I don't think Disney's previous offering went into "lips as red as blood."
 

Professortango1

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I don't have a problem with them casting a Latina as Snow White, but I have the feeling that they only did it so that if people complained about the remake, they could pull the "if you don't like it you're racist!" card. Like how the folks that made the Ghostbusters reboot claimed the critics were sexist.
Luckily, all of the Disney remakes have been garbage, so nobody should batt and eye at thinking the latest one is garbage as well.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Yep. The actress the cast is fair-skinned and depending on where they set the movie, it can work. What's more important is giving Snow something to do other than being pretty and nice. I mean, I don't think Disney's previous offering went into "lips as red as blood."

Is that the angle they're going to go with for this remake? That there's a dark side to Snow White?

It seems so odd that they'd need to remake this Classic story to begin with.

What's next? Gone With The Wind In Space?
 

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