Will Snow White's Enchanted Wish suffer same fate as Splash Mountain following Peter Dinklage's comments?

[Phroobar]

What are the stereotypes in the first film? I've probably watched in a hundred times and there are no stereotypes I saw. She loves the dwarves and treats them with care.

Firstly, as the film is the oldest (the first) film of Disney, women are portrayed under the stereotype of traditional gender roles of the time (1937). Throughout the film, she is seen cooking, cleaning and looking after the seven dwarfs, which are portrayed as hopeless little men who can't take care of themselves. Therefore, they need a woman, Snow White, to take care of them, saving these slovenly adults from their pigsty by doing the tasks of the house; tasks that the dwarves apparently never learned since it is a women's duty of the time to be a housewife.

Moreover, we find out at the beginning of the film that Snow White is looking for ‘prince charming’ as she sings, “I’m wishing, for the one I love to find me today” and this is one of the problems which lies in every Disney film: the power that men and true love have over the female characters. The best thing that can happen to a Disney heroin, such as Snow White, is to marry her "prince charming". Does this ending have to be, so that the woman can live ‘happily ever after’?

So, in light of the previous analysis, we can see that Snow White is a bad representation of women because of gender stereotypes. Despite the fact that this was the typical representation of women in Disney films of the time: young women who are naturally happy homemakers and who wait until a man comes along and gives them life; nowadays, this is seen as a gender stereotype.

 

[Supreme Leader]

The 2022 Disney Company with all the resources and money in the world will make their Snow White film and it will be a box office bomb and critical failure.

All the bad / corny writing, all the pointless expedition, and forced woke messages about women empowerment and being a Latina in Germany, this film will be the perfect way to compare with the original to see how the Disney company went down the drain.

Why are you so certain of that? Their last few live action remakes have fared well critically and commercially. Also, it's a fairy tale. Not reality. Why can't a Latina actress portray a fictional character?

 

[Sailor310]

In the remake Snow White will go to work in the mines and Dopey will stay home to cook and clean.

 

[CaptinEO]

Why are you so certain of that? Their last few live action remakes have fared well critically and commercially. Also, it's a fairy tale. Not reality. Why can't a Latina actress portray a fictional character?

This is their first post pandemic remake and their first woke remake from the sounds of it.

Last year with the exception of Spiderman, the box office lost money for each film released compared to their budget.

 

[Phroobar]

But this is about dwarves. When are there stereotypes about dwarves?

Furthermore the story takes place in 1810 Germany. These aren't negative stereotypes, they are facts and time accurate.

Women did do housework and cooking solely at this time.

It's a revisionist idea and in bad taste to say in 1810 that Latina women in Germany were able to work and make their own income without getting married.

I think we already proven tha dwarves are humans and not magical creatures. However those are stereotypes for 1937.

 

[mickEblu]

LMAO the Hairy Godfather! Who does Corden play?

@Mac Tonight i meant for their to be an exclamation point. Not a question mark after Godfather.

 

[Professortango1]

What "stereotypes" from the original film? That dwarves are short? Or that they are (short) caring, loving humans who have a diverse range of human emotions and talents that can all come together to work as a team to achieve great results?

That little people and dwarves are fantastical creatures who we can use as prop to laugh at and awww over.

I get where he's coming from. He's an actor and probably, until recently, was constantly only seeing offers of playing gag characters and fantasy characters where he's some silly/demeaning character to help our protagonist.. Its like being a black actor and only being offered roles of pimps, gangsters, and slaves or being Middle Eastern in the 90's and only receiving offers to play terrorists or extremists.

When you live in that Groundhog Day scenario of being seen as a comedic/fantasy type rather than a person, it can get you a little crazy.

 

[Professortango1]

Yes, I agree whole heartedly. It's alarmingly similar to their decision to remake West Side Story, which was a masterpiece in its own right in 1961. Which is why I mentioned it above.

The difference is that Snow White still holds up. West Side Story...the brownface throughout is so distracting. The new version is a great improvement all around. It was an audacious thing for Spielberg to attempt, but dang it, the man pulled it off. And I had counted him as artistically done after his last decade of movies.

 

[Disney_TX_Guy]

I am horrified by the new film...HOW are people still giving Pasek & Paul work?!?

I enjoyed "Speechless" in the live-action. Aladdin.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Why are you so certain of that? Their last few live action remakes have fared well critically and commercially. Also, it's a fairy tale. Not reality. Why can't a Latina actress portray a fictional character?

To be fair Dumbo bombed pretty recently and that was also an unfaithful adaptation of a Walt Disney era movie. The more popular ones tend to be the the mostly faithful Disney Renaissance remakes (Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King).

 

[Phroobar]

I don't think this is a stereotype, but a truth for that time period.

A stereotype comes from what is perceived to be true at a time. They can be completely true at that time. Women in the 1920s stayed at home. It wasn't till the War that women went to work and that stereotype became less true but still remained a stereotype until the 80s.

 

[Phroobar]

To be fair Dumbo bombed pretty recently and that was also an unfaithful adaptation of a Walt Disney era movie. The more popular ones tend to be the the mostly faithful Disney Renaissance remakes (Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King).

Aladdin was pretty cool with its Bailywood influences. Beauty and the Beast got hurt by Emma Watson's "singing". There was nothing live action about the Lion King. It was just a CG cartoon remake.

 

[TP2000]

The difference is that Snow White still holds up. West Side Story...the brownface throughout is so distracting. The new version is a great improvement all around. It was an audacious thing for Spielberg to attempt, but dang it, the man pulled it off. And I had counted him as artistically done after his last decade of movies.

Oh, so you were the one who bought that ticket to see it!

Here’s Why Steven Spielberg’s ‘West Side Story’ Bombed at the Box Office and What That Means for Golden Globes and Oscars

Let's take a closer look at why Steven Spielberg's 'West Side Story' bombed and what that means for its awards chances.

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[Professortango1]

"Pulled it off" meaning losing ~$100M for Fox/Disney? Then, yes, well done Steve!

He made a great film. That's what he was paid to do. So yeah, he pulled it off. It didn't do well financially for a TON of reasons.

Pandemic
Appeal to older audiences (who don't see movies as often, especially right now)
Remake of older film which older audiences prize
Racial Political BS with the lack of subtitles somehow being a slight against 'Merica!
First busy movie season in over a year.
Old Fashioned Musical
No China money because their hate for non-heteronormative ideas and characters

None of that has anything to do with Spielberg and the great film he made. It is ballsy to try and remake a revered film. And then to make it better than the original in so many ways....that's a slam dunk.

 

[TP2000]

That little people and dwarves are fantastical creatures who we can use as prop to laugh at and awww over.

I get where he's coming from. He's an actor and probably, until recently, was constantly only seeing offers of playing gag characters and fantasy characters where he's some silly/demeaning character to help our protagonist.. Its like being a black actor and only being offered roles of pimps, gangsters, and slaves or being Middle Eastern in the 90's and only receiving offers to play terrorists or extremists.

When you live in that Groundhog Day scenario of being seen as a comedic/fantasy type rather than a person, it can get you a little crazy.

Oh, I get it now. I had to Google. Mr. Dinklage is a dwarf and he is 4'5" according to the Internet. I'd honestly never heard of him until this thread.

So, he's coming from a place where he faces type casting his whole career. I can understand that frustration now, even if I don't completely agree with him on his comments.

That said, I'm still not sure how it fixes the issue by turning the dwarfs into "magical creatures" that aren't even human. That seems like a downgrade to me, and even more pandering.

 

[Professortango1]

To be fair Dumbo bombed pretty recently and that was also an unfaithful adaptation of a Walt Disney era movie. The more popular ones tend to be the the mostly faithful Disney Renaissance remakes (Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King).

Dumbo was a mess and based on a film that modern audiences don't have nostalgia for. I was excited for Dumbo because the original film is a kind of short and doesn't have much going for it. But then Burton did his modern Burton thing and had a meandering film filled with ugly CGI and confused concepts. I miss good Burton.

The popular remakes are the ones which just re-do the exact same thing as the cartoon we all love. They remind me of Gus Van Sant's Psycho. They are the same movie, but lack any heart and soul. Beauty and the Beast was like the bloated corpse of the original classic. Aladdin felt like a made for TV movie version of the show. Lion King made tons despite it being another animated version but with characters who can't emote and that you can't relate to.

With Snow White...I don't get the decision other than money. We had Snow White and the Huntsman as well as Mirror Mirror not too long ago. Do we need ANOTHER re-imagining of the same exact tale while still being hyper faithful to the original. At least Blanca Nieves felt different with the silent film nature and the new setting for the characters.

 

[Professortango1]

Oh, I get it now. I had to Google. Mr. Dinklage is a dwarf and he is 4'5" according to the Internet. I'd honestly never heard of him until this thread.

So, he's coming from a place where he faces type casting his whole career. I can understand that frustration now, even if I don't completely agree with him on his comments.

That said, I'm still not sure how it fixes the issue by turning the dwarfs into "magical creatures" that aren't even human. That seems like a downgrade to me, and even more pandering.

You should check him out. He is an incredible actor. He was great in Three Billboards and recently in I Care A Lot as the heel. What was nice was that both roles were just characters, not dwarf characters. I'm looking forward to his Cyrano in a few weeks.

 

[Professortango1]

Sure, why not. Because it's a charity and not a commercial enterprise.

He made a movie that (as nearly everybody predicted) had zero interest from audiences. The original is a classic which won 10 Oscars and is beloved.

The remake was his idea and he used his leverage to convince Fox to make it. This was not a "film for hire" where Fox was passionate about blowing $100M on a movie nobody wanted to see and just hired him to execute it. Spielberg owns it - all of it.

But hey, if you want to give YOUR money to an artist to have him remake a movie that nobody wants to see and then completely bomb at the box office and lose $100M, feel free to give it to them.

I heard Adam McKay wants to remake Citizen Kane, give him a call.

Well, then blame the studios for not making a sound investment. Still not his fault.

And I applaud when studios make a film because it is a good film to make. Movies are an art form and sometimes you just need to make good art, whether it will be commercially viable or not. Most historic painters couldn't sell their works until after they died. Doesn't mean the works weren't worth creating.

I love the big studio blockbusters as much as the next guy, but I also love seeing an artist tell a story they are passionate about. I want to see Spider-Man AND Licorice Pizza. I want to see West Side Story AND The King's Man.

As for Oscars, we'll see how WSS fares. The new one is a masterpiece. Most people I know talk about how great the cinematography and choreography was in the original, but also talk about how cringey the movie is and how it has not aged well at all.

And I wouldn't say zero interest. Everyone I know saw it and loved it. It is still playing on multiple screens in the theatres around me so they must have people still seeing it. The movie made 44 million, more than a lot of other movies I enjoyed this year. It made more than the Matrix flick which everyone was excited for and people thought would be a sure-fire success.

Just let filmmakers make good movies. I don't need them to be #1 at the box office. #1 box office almost never makes my personal #1 (Spider-Man is my number 4 for 2021.) Spielberg made a great movie that surpasses the original. Box office has nothing to do with that.

 

[Parteecia]

You should check him out. He is an incredible actor.

Loved him in the Station Agent and he's the only reason I kept slogging through Game of Thrones. Well that and mocking the writing in the final seasons.

 

[TP2000]

Sure, why not. Because it's a charity and not a commercial enterprise.

He made a movie that (as nearly everybody predicted) had zero interest from audiences. The original is a classic which won 10 Oscars and is beloved.

The remake was his idea and he used his leverage to convince Fox to make it. This was not a "film for hire" where Fox was passionate about blowing $100M on a movie nobody wanted to see and just hired him to execute it. Spielberg owns it - all of it.

But hey, if you want to give YOUR money to an artist to have him remake a movie that nobody wants to see and then completely bomb at the box office and lose $100M, feel free to give it to them.

I heard Adam McKay wants to remake Citizen Kane, give him a call.

You are being far too kind there.

When you include global marketing costs, West Side Story is actually on track to lose around $150 Million for Disney.
That's gonna leave a mark.