Will I be terminated?

[CaptainAmerica]

This is my new favorite thread.

 

[donaldtoo]

Until he gets asked in his interview for a new job why he was fired....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, how's a potential future employer gonna' know he was fired if all Disney does is verify employment dates?

 

[englanddg]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, how's Disney gonna' know he was fired if all they do is verify employment dates?

Because all employers who have at least a base understanding of HR practices only verify employment dates. That's why referrals are a silly concept. 20+ years ago, when people would be able to give real, on the record, comments without opening themselves or the organization up to a lawsuit, they made sense, but that hasn't been the case for a long time.

If he applies for another job and someone at Disney gives a frank and honest opinion (positive or negative) of him and he doesn't get the job, he could sue Disney for his loss of future employment (not kidding). Hence, most employers will only verify dates of employment.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, how's a potential future employer gonna' know he was fired if all Disney does is verify employment dates?

Maybe there is not a way to know, but it is definitely an issue on honesty and integrity. I really hope he can find someone who understands and his willing to work with him to develop his skills if he really wants to work in such a field. Being upfront with this issue would be beneficial, as it has spiraled so out of control because there was a repeated lack of being forthright.

 

[mousehockey37]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, how's a potential future employer gonna' know he was fired if all Disney does is verify employment dates?

Uh, they can check more than just employment dates. If a business wants to ask more, its at Disney's discretion how they answer.

But in the interview themselves, the future employer can always ask: We see you had a short employment history with Disney. Why was that a short tenure there?

 

[englanddg]

Maybe there is not a way to know, but it is definitely an issue on honesty and integrity. I really hope he can find someone who understands and his willing to work with him to develop his skills if he really wants to work in such a field. Being upfront with this issue would be beneficial, as it has spiraled so out of control because there was a repeated lack of being forthright.

I don't think the situation can be salvaged at the moment. Pursuing it through social media / news media isn't going to gain him anything but a tarnished reputation...at best (odds are it won't even take off).

The best is to do as you suggest. Take it as a learning experience, dust off the hands, and move on to something else.

 

[donaldtoo]

Because all employers who have at least a base understanding of HR practices only verify employment dates. That's why referrals are a silly concept. 20+ years ago, when people would be able to give real, on the record, comments without opening themselves or the organization up to a lawsuit, they made sense, but that hasn't been the case for a long time.

If he applies for another job and someone at Disney gives a frank and honest opinion (positive or negative) of him and he doesn't get the job, he could sue Disney for his loss of future employment (not kidding). Hence, most employers will only verify dates of employment.

I, obviously, misworded my post and had to go back and edit. I didn't mean Disney, of course they would know, I meant any other future employer. And, I'm fully aware, and have been for years, in regards to what you stated about potential lawsuits. I remember the partners at my firm discussing such about someone they terminated 15+ years ago.
My apologies for my miswording. It's Sunday, and my brain is still a bit in weekend mode.

 

[donaldtoo]

Uh, they can check more than just employment dates. If a business wants to ask more, its at Disney's discretion how they answer.

But in the interview themselves, the future employer can always ask: We see you had a short employment history with Disney. Why was that a short tenure there?

Good point about the timeframe. I forgot about that. He could still give the lie a shot though, I guess, depending on how Disney chose to respond.

 

[englanddg]

Good point about the timeframe. I forgot about that. He could still give the lie a shot though, I guess, depending on how Disney chose to respond.

Best response?

"It just didn't work out. I'm moving on to other opportunities."

Not relate the story he has here to a prospective employer. That just screams red flags and a dramatic personality that he allows to roll into his professional persona...something no employer is going to want to deal with.

 

[donaldtoo]

I don't think the situation can be salvaged at the moment. Pursuing it through social media / news media isn't going to gain him anything but a tarnished reputation...at best (odds are it won't even take off).

The best is to do as you suggest. Take it as a learning experience, dust off the hands, and move on to something else.

Yea, I'm gonna' go with cut your losses and move on, too.

 

[mousehockey37]

Good point about the timeframe. I forgot about that. He could still give the lie a shot though, I guess, depending on how Disney chose to respond.

You'll never know what the former employer has to say. That's up to them. For most of us, the response would be something like, "I didn't like the direction I was headed" or "the experience was not what I thought it would be, so in the interest of both parties, I decided that it would be best to leave early". Most of us can be clever, but there are still companies out there that will call and ask about a persons past. That's why they have on applications a part that says: May we contact this employer: Yes or No. It doesn't say anything about limiting to verifying employment dates.

 

[englanddg]

You'll never know what the former employer has to say. That's up to them. For most of us, the response would be something like, "I didn't like the direction I was headed" or "the experience was not what I thought it would be, so in the interest of both parties, I decided that it would be best to leave early". Most of us can be clever, but there are still companies out there that will call and ask about a persons past. That's why they have on applications a part that says: May we contact this employer: Yes or No. It doesn't say anything about limiting to verifying employment dates.

Right. But, most companies who have at least a smidge of HR knowledge (and Disney has way more than a smidge) will not give you more than employment date verification.

 

[mousehockey37]

Right. But, most companies who have at least a smidge of HR knowledge (and Disney has way more than a smidge) will not give you more than employment date verification.

A friend of mine has been trying to find a job recently. This friend is still in communication with the asst. manager of the store they split from. With them applying to new places, the asst. manager has told them that these places are calling and asking questions about their abilities to do the job and such.

So, yes, companies do still call and ask former employers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't think the situation can be salvaged at the moment. Pursuing it through social media / news media isn't going to gain him anything but a tarnished reputation...at best (odds are it won't even take off).

The best is to do as you suggest. Take it as a learning experience, dust off the hands, and move on to something else.

My "someone who understands" was meant as a future employer. I'd hate for him to get stuck in a bad cycle because he's jumping into corporate machines that don't care and roles that are too much for him at this time.

 

[donaldtoo]

Maybe there is not a way to know, but it is definitely an issue on honesty and integrity. I really hope he can find someone who understands and his willing to work with him to develop his skills if he really wants to work in such a field. Being upfront with this issue would be beneficial, as it has spiraled so out of control because there was a repeated lack of being forthright.

Totally agree with you on the honesty and integrity. That crap always tends to come back and bite ya' on the behind with a vengeance.
And, yep, seems way past the point of no return, at this stage.
Time to get past it, and move on.

 

[englanddg]

A friend of mine has been trying to find a job recently. This friend is still in communication with the asst. manager of the store they split from. With them applying to new places, the asst. manager has told them that these places are calling and asking questions about their abilities to do the job and such.

So, yes, companies do still call and ask former employers.

I never once said that companies do not call. What I said is that companies, when called, generally will not give out more information than dates of employment. This is not a new thing. It was a feature of basic management training when I was a manager for a fortune 500 restaurant chain in the 90s. And, I've stated exactly WHY they don't (shouldn't) do more than confirm dates of employment.

Does that mean it doesn't happen? No. But, for a company like Disney, you can bet your bottom dollar that any inbound calls will be forwarded to someone in HR, who will...confirm dates of employment.

 

[donaldtoo]

You'll never know what the former employer has to say. That's up to them. For most of us, the response would be something like, "I didn't like the direction I was headed" or "the experience was not what I thought it would be, so in the interest of both parties, I decided that it would be best to leave early". Most of us can be clever, but there are still companies out there that will call and ask about a persons past. That's why they have on applications a part that says: May we contact this employer: Yes or No. It doesn't say anything about limiting to verifying employment dates.

Yes, again I'm fully aware of all that, but, none of that precludes him from giving the lie a shot. Although, it's a gamble.
And, again, I'm not condoning it, but, pretty sure it's common practice with many.

 

[mousehockey37]

I believe that for this individual though, if there's this much going on, that if employers are searching social media and such, and they come across this, it's going to do more harm than good.

 

[englanddg]

I believe that for this individual though, if there's this much going on, that if employers are searching social media and such, and they come across this, it's going to do more harm than good.

Most employers do not search social media for entry level positions. That, and he hasn't listed his real name. So, I think he's safe in that respect.

 

[mousehockey37]

Yes, again I'm fully aware of all that, but, none of that precludes him from giving the lie a shot. Although, it's a gamble.
And, again, I'm not condoning it, but, pretty sure it's common practice with many.

I'm sure we've all had, at some interview, that one question, whatever it may be, that we've had to pull something out of thin air and make it sound good. So yeah, not condoning it either, but probably 95% of us have done it and the other 5% who say they haven't, are lying, lol.