Will DisneySea Ever Come?

Tower/of/Terror

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Ya know, I was just looking at the WDW Resort map and a DisneySea clone would fit perfectly in the northeastern part of the park, right beside the MK. They have two little ponds/lakes that they could use as a "coast". Also, seeing as how they have two Little Mermaid attractions in the world, would they replace the Mermaid Lagoon with a Nemo themed area? I don't know, but I reaaaally want a DisneySea ;)
 

mkt

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I don't think Disneysea would fit in any way with the fantasy theming of MK as a whole. Parts of it, yes.. but the whole thing?
 

ChrisTUK

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It seems like a good idea to me, especially the Nemo part. Wether something like that actually comes to WDW.....who knows? I doubt it would be any time soon looking at how much is being spent on the attractions we already know about.

:animwink:
 

mkt

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Originally posted by MonorailGreen
Right beside MK not inside =)

like on Bay Lake? I could see that happening... however, so you know, the residences located on bay lake so Disney can maintain town status for LBV and Bay Lake are there. So you wouldn't be able to build around the entire lake and keep LBV and Bay Lake as real towns... meaning the RCID wouldn't really exist... now would it.
 

josh_e_washie

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Finally someone else who would love to see the fifth gate at WDW be a Disney Sea clone!!!!!!!! I think it would be such a great transition from all the other 'feels' of the other Disney parks....wow...im imagining it right now!!! lol....but don't expect a fifth gate soon, it would need at least 7-12 years imo.
 

Tower/of/Terror

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I have a feeling though that their might be a new park within 3-4 years though (*hopes it's DisneySea*:sohappy: ) Because, Magic Kingdom started in 1971.. right? then 11 years later EPCOT came along, only 7 years later MGM arrived... Then 9 years later, Animal Kingdom debuted. We are already 5 years without a new park.. maybe there will be one soon?
 

Shaman

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Exact clone???....I don't thinks so.....

Eight to ten years from now when we see a fifth gate at wdw, I doubt that it will be an exact clone of DisneySea in Tokyo. For one many of the rides have counterparts (in either technology or ride stories/characters) at wdw. Don't get me wrong there are some great looking things in this park; in fact its one the most beautiful parks (by what I've seen in pictures). Instead I'm looking for a park like AK only for ocean animals...Disney's version of Sea World perhaps.....

Animal Kingdom has no ocean animals represented in the park...and I don't think they have any plans to add them in the future (is this done on purpose or is it too costly to add ocean animals?). So we may infact see a park dealing with the sea and its animals (plus a place to put attractions based on some of their "sea" movies) just not a park like DisneySea.....then again thats just what I think, in other words, thats what I wishfully think will happen......:hammer:


Aren't there rumors out there that the next park will go somewhere near Epcot or WWoS????
 

PeterAlt

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Originally posted by mkt
I don't think Disneysea would fit in any way with the fantasy theming of MK as a whole. Parts of it, yes.. but the whole thing?

I agree. But there are plans for a fifth park, though they have been delayed. The fifth park is not DisneySeas, but an entirely new concept. Rumor has it that it will showcase the most thrilling of Disney's rides.
 

Swagger

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I would do anything for a DisneySea here. Not an exact clone of it though but still same ideas. Sea World type park would just be a giant ripoff. A thrill only park would make DIsney look like any other themepark. DisneySea is the most amazing park in the world. I would trade two non-MK WDW parks for this place.
 

mickey04

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Originally posted by Testtrack321
Well, I'd rather have more rides in the current parks and improvements to them than have a whole new park.
Well, that's exactly what you're gonna get. :) We probably won't see a 5th gate for quite some years for precisely that reason. Animal Kingdom is about a 1/2 day for most, and MGM is not really a full day either (although its close). But when we do get one, I hear its going to be an exact clone of California Adventure. :lol:

But, seriously, DisneySeas sounds awsome (with a little tweaking, of course.)
 

Mission: SPACE

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Well, from last I heard, WDW won't be receiving a fifth gate anytime soon. The opening of AK proved this... the forth park didn't add higher attendance to all the parks, rather it mostly pulled guests from the other three... Hence the reason we're seeing so many improvements to the four we have...

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see a DS at WDW, but I don't think Eisner wants to... :brick: :rolleyes:
 

MrPromey

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From their perspective, I don’t think Disney sees a need in the currently foreseeable future for a fifth gate weather there are ideas and space for it or not.

Think about it. What do they really gain by adding a fifth gate? They get a media blitz for the first few months it is open but that is pretty much a one time deal. They get added space for building new attractions and added guest capacity but they still have plenty of space in the existing parks and part of their reason for going more global with theme parks is because they fear that the Orlando area has already begun to reach near saturation level in terms of international tourism. If that is true, then the more people build up in the Orlando area the more they steal business away from each other rather than bringing it in. The only other advantage that I can see is a fifth ticket turnstile which is next to worthless long term for them since most people going to multiple parks are going to be going over multiple days and will be using a length of stay pass, a hopper pass of some sort or an annual pass.


Building a new park means adding a whole new leg to the transportation system (roads, busses, waterways monorails or whatever) to get them there as well as major upgrades to the property’s utilities systems to accommodate said park (electricity, plumbing, sewage, trash and recycling pickup) They also have to hire a slew of new cast members for the ticket booths, turnstiles, Guest relations, shops, restaurants, first aid, custodial duties, security, and a whole bunch more that I probably can’t think of not to mention supervisors and managers for all these things and as it stands now, unskilled low wage work (what most of the positions that deal with the public are) is already hurting the area economy. In fact, before 911, a lot of places were having trouble finding people to fill these positions…

As it stands right now, I see more of an advantage in Disney doing what they are doing by adding on and updating existing parks than building a 5th gate for quite a while yet to come – possibly ever. There aren’t really any advantages that a fifth gate will bring them at this point that can’t already be gotten with additions to existing parks at a lower cost and for people who don’t have these multi-day, multi-park deals it adds more value to their ticket purchases which may even make adding onto parks like the MK (which is the oldest but still most visited by a long shot) bring in more guests in the long run over a new park because it is easier to convince people to go someplace familiar to try out new things where they know they will have a good time, even if they aren’t into the new stuff than to a whole new park with all of it’s unknowns (will there be enough for the young kids to keep them busy? The teens? Mom & dad? Grandparents?)

Also, with the opening of the Pop Century resort I see a definite trend at getting the ‘average family’ locked into the highly profitable model of length of stay packages. By offering more space in the market of semi-quasi-affordable rooms, they can push the add on packages more easily to people who would otherwise stay off property and go to wet-n-wild for a day (or another full park such as IOA, US or SW) than go to say, Blizzard beach and/or go parasailing in Bay Lake.

If this trend holds true, we are more likely to see more smaller half day parks (like the water parks) or other unique single standing attractions (like DQ) which do not necessarily have a broad appeal like a theme park but can more individually appeal to the tastes of individual guests giving them a more special and unique experience in a more economical way all while bringing in additional profits.

I’m sure that everyone who wants a Disney Seas will argue with me on all of this but in the end, what does a 5th gate really give them? I mean, what did the 4th gate really do for them in regards to profits or attendance (other than give them the ability to add a new unique deluxe resort that they would have otherwise been unable to produce affordably)? As it stands, Mission space is the first single attraction to get its own national marketing campaign. If that is successful, they don’t even need to hold out for a new park or celebration for that kind of thing…

I’m sure we would all like to see a great fifth gate but how much so? Are we going to stay on Disney property for an extra day or two to go to it? Are we going to pay say, 20-30% more for our hopper/annual passes without complaint to go to it? If not, there wouldn’t really be ANY value at all in the move and even if so, it might not be enough value to make it worth while.
 

mkt

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Well, from last I heard

list sources here..... and relatives don't count unless they're directly involved within the walt disney co planning departments


ditto


But there are plans for a fifth park

and a sixth, seventh, eight, ninth, and tenth park... that doesn't mean they're going to be used
 

DisneyFan 2000

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I fifth park WILL come just not right now. How can I be sure? Universal already has plans to compete DIRECTLY with WDW! meaning: adding two more theme parks and resorts (don't say they don't have room they have 2000 acres of land!).
When WDW comes to realise that, they will create a fifth park to be superior to Universal (superior by size) but until this happens I preffer them adding attractions! Look what we are getting:

M:S
EE
MP
Soarin'
Stunt Show
Stitch's great whatever (don't like the idea :lol: )
and rumors just keep coming!

All these attractions are highly budgeted because they don't have other expenses! When the fifth parks comes expect rides such as carpets of Aladdin (is that the name?)!

I'm supporting a new park just not right know. All it does is divide guest capacity and I know I prefer a world with 4 parks rather than not having a "world"!
 

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