Sirwalterraleigh
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You mean a 2,000 year old culture that makes great food in its sleep and is the oldest and most important ally to los estados unidos?
That France?
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Will Disneyland USA suffer? ALL Of Disney's Theme Parks Now Closed - Reopening Dates Unknown
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You mean a 2,000 year old culture that makes great food in its sleep and is the oldest and most important ally to los estados unidos?
That France?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
And that’s kinda a convenient excuse for cuts they likely would make anyone, ehh?Many Disneyland budget cuts have been directly contributed to Shanghai's opening and Hong Kong's poor performance.
Domestic Disney Parks Reportedly Suffering Financial Issues Due To Shanghai Disneyland - Inquisitr News
Shanghai Disneyland is currently scheduled to open in June of this year, and it will be the first mainland China Disney resort. Right now, the gigantic parkwww.inquisitr.com
I know the Ca/Fla mentality is “they were gonna build Fire Mountian...if only ______ hadn’t happened!!
”...got some bad news for you there.
Darkbeer1
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The US is doing the same thing, it is flying the US residents and State Department families to Ontario, California, where they will remain in quarantine for at least 14 days. They are using a hanger as temporary housing.
Phroobar
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It's a lot like gas prices and how they increase instantly even though the cause won't be felt for months.And that’s kinda a convenient excuse for cuts they likely would make anyone, ehh?
I know the Ca/Fla mentality is “they were gonna build Fire Mountian...if only ______ hadn’t happened!!
...got some bad news for you there.
HKDLer
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A 90% alcohol formula evaporates in air much more quickly than a 70% does, thus is less effective. Also it’s bad for the skin.
I read an interesting article this morning, about how the air pollution in central China is universally horrible and that Wuhan is one of the most polluted cities in the already very dirty region. They routinely have air particulate readings in Wuhan that are 20 times the health limits here in the USA.
Here's a photo of beautiful downtown Wuhan taken on a typical smoggy day...
And after living in that smoggy environment for a few decades, most humans have long-term respiratory problems and diminished health. The theory is that the air quality in China is so bad that influenzas like the Coronavirus can spread faster and easier among such a health compromised population. It's a real shame.
And the Communist Chinese government, being Communists, have blocked all Internet access to documentaries and websites that explain just how bad the air pollution is in cities like Wuhan. Here's a 2015 NY Times article about that with more smoggy pictures of Wuhan. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/...-to-documentary-on-nations-air-pollution.html
Add it all up, and that soupy dirty air makes it easy for influenza to infect a population with widespread respiratory problems. Wuhan and its wild animal food markets was just the place that kicked it off.
Here's a photo of beautiful downtown Wuhan taken on a typical smoggy day...
And after living in that smoggy environment for a few decades, most humans have long-term respiratory problems and diminished health. The theory is that the air quality in China is so bad that influenzas like the Coronavirus can spread faster and easier among such a health compromised population. It's a real shame.
And the Communist Chinese government, being Communists, have blocked all Internet access to documentaries and websites that explain just how bad the air pollution is in cities like Wuhan. Here's a 2015 NY Times article about that with more smoggy pictures of Wuhan. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/...-to-documentary-on-nations-air-pollution.html
Add it all up, and that soupy dirty air makes it easy for influenza to infect a population with widespread respiratory problems. Wuhan and its wild animal food markets was just the place that kicked it off.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Kinda clears up the mystery of how much Disney values those sweatshops to build it there, huh?
Back on topic, will it affect U.S. parks?
Maybe, I can see a certain number of people willing to put off travel out of safety concerns, so they may loose some tourists there, but I also see there being a certain number of people who were going to travel to Shanghai or Hong Kong now opting to do the U.S. parks instead, so crowd wise it may be a wash.
Now there are still going to be a certain number of people that have to work to ensure that the parks remain in good working condition, remember attractions aren't designed to sit not running, but overall they will be saving a ton of money and considering last I checked neither park has been very profitable so far, this may actually mean Disney will have more money that they are free to spend on the U.S. parks.
Personally I maintained from day one that both locations were a bad idea for various reasons and I really think Walt would never have allowed a park to be opened in China for political reasons alone.
Maybe, I can see a certain number of people willing to put off travel out of safety concerns, so they may loose some tourists there, but I also see there being a certain number of people who were going to travel to Shanghai or Hong Kong now opting to do the U.S. parks instead, so crowd wise it may be a wash.
Now there are still going to be a certain number of people that have to work to ensure that the parks remain in good working condition, remember attractions aren't designed to sit not running, but overall they will be saving a ton of money and considering last I checked neither park has been very profitable so far, this may actually mean Disney will have more money that they are free to spend on the U.S. parks.
Personally I maintained from day one that both locations were a bad idea for various reasons and I really think Walt would never have allowed a park to be opened in China for political reasons alone.
China has a population of a billion people and just like anywhere people have business, family, government and cultural interests wherever they live. Wuhan is the biggest city in its province and has over 10 million people in it. That's more people in that one city alone than there are in over 40 states in America. It's like asking why would someone in Wisconsin be in Orange County or vice versa? Why not exactly? They also have both their own international airport and high speed railway station. I'm sure your non-obscure prestigious city has both of those as well.
And Hubei province which Wuhan is the capital of is not 'obscure'. Hubei province is one of the biggest financial, trade and transportation hubs of Central China. There are over 1,000 foreign businesses there, in everything from automobile to Information Technology. There are over 350 research and scientific firms there as well in everything from pharmaceuticals to technology, one of the biggest being Pfizer. They even have several diplomatic consulates in the city, America being one of them. Wuhan University is also one of the top 10 universities in the country and 250th worldwide. The city is as modern as any city out there and in fact attracts both people and businesses all over the world.
I really like reading your posts here, they are usually informative and funny. But sadly many of them also come off quite pretentious, arrogant and frankly ignorant when its about anything outside of the realm of Orange County, California or Disney related. This is one of them.
At the cost of entertainment and putting in rides with height restrictions in their place. Remember this is what got Knott's Berry Farm into trouble, now Knott's is bringing back in all sorts of entertainment and is having record attendance numbers.
China has a population of a billion people and just like anywhere people have business, family, government andcultural interests wherever they live. Wuhan is the biggest city in its province and has over 10 million people in it. That's more people in that one city alone than there are in over 40 states in America. It's like asking why would someone in Wisconsin be in Orange County or vice versa? Why not exactly? They also have both their own international airport and high speed railway station. I'm sure your non-obscure prestigious city has both of those as well.
And Hubei province which Wuhan is the capital of is not 'obscure'. Hubei province is one of the biggest financial, trade and transportation hubs of Central China. There are over 1,000 foreign businesses there, in everything from automobile to Information Technology. There are over 350 research and scientific firms there as well in everything from pharmaceuticals to technology, one of the biggest being Pfizer. They even have several diplomatic consulates in the city, America being one of them. Wuhan University is also one of the top 10 universities in the country and 250th worldwide. The city is as modern as any city out there and in fact attracts both people and businesses all over the world.
I'm sure Wuhan is a lovely place, with many unique charms that don't come across in those above photos of its smog.
I'm going to have to just trust you on that though, and allow someone else to schedule their Wuhan Spring Break 2021! vacation instead of me.
Thank you for the kind words and the feedback. Pretentiousness is part of my personality, like it or not.
But my God, you should have met my Aunt Ingrid, you would have hated her!
I'm also just one of those types who don't think that every country is special and that everyone is above average.
There are some really awful places out there somewhere beyond Fashion Island and Palm Springs. Take 21st century China for example. From what I've read, China is a horribly oppressive Communist country with many, many wide-ranging problems; slavery sweatshops, toxic air and water, 1 million Muslims currently held in concentration camps, forced abortions and forced organ harvesting of political prisoners, social credit scores, mass censorship, etc., etc., etc. And Wuhan, while I'm sure is filled with many nice folks and a snazzy high speed rail station, looks like a dirty and rather miserable place to live.
But that's just my opinion on things.
I think the impacts to the American parks of the complete shutdown of Disney's theme park business in China, if that shutdown goes beyond a couple weeks, is going to be quite noticeable. If 2016 is any indication, entertainment and park offerings would be the first to get cut or cancelled, with additional labor cuts and a hiring freeze shortly after.
Longer term you'd see a pause on capital investment in Disneyland Resort, perhaps even on things that have been announced like the DVC Tower or barely underway like the Avengers E Ticket, plus possible layoffs in both Anaheim and Burbank offices. Again based off how Mr. Chapek handled 2016 and the construction phase of Shanghai Disneyland, Burbank bosses would want to paper over the loss in revenue from China as much as possible.
And that would require cuts in the way Disneyland operates day to day and fiscal quarter to fiscal quarter. Like 2016, it will be noticeable to paying customers.
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Darkbeer1
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Just to make a correction comment.I'm sure Wuhan is a lovely place, with many unique charms that don't come across in those above photos of its smog.
I'm going to have to just trust you on that though, and allow someone else to schedule their Wuhan Spring Break 2021! vacation instead of me.
Thank you for the kind words and the feedback. Pretentiousness is part of my personality, like it or not.
But my God, you should have met my Aunt Ingrid, you would have hated her!
I'm also just one of those types who don't think that every country is special and that everyone is above average.
There are some really awful places out there somewhere beyond Fashion Island and Palm Springs. Take 21st century China for example. From what I've read, China is a horribly oppressive Communist country with many, many wide-ranging problems; slavery sweatshops, toxic air and water, 1 million Muslims currently held in concentration camps, forced abortions and forced organ harvesting of political prisoners, etc., etc., etc. And Wuhan, while I'm sure is filled with many nice folks and a snazzy high speed rail station, looks like a dirty and rather miserable place to live.
But that's just me. Others may disagree with my assessment of beautiful downtown Wuhan.
I think the impacts to the American parks of the complete shutdown of Disney's theme park business in China, if that shutdown goes beyond a couple weeks, is going to be quite noticeable. If 2016 is any indication, entertainment and park offerings would be the first to get cut or cancelled, with additional labor cuts and a hiring freeze shortly after.
Longer term you'd see a pause on capital investment in Disneyland Resort, perhaps even on things that have been announced like the DVC Tower, plus possible layoffs in both Anaheim and Burbank offices. Again based off how Mr. Chapek handled 2016 and the construction phase of Shanghai Disneyland, Burbank bosses would want to paper over the loss in revenue from China as much as possible.
And that would require cuts in the way Disneyland operates day to day and fiscal quarter to fiscal quarter. Like 2016, it will be noticeable to paying customers.
The way DVC works, Disney will be selling new points that are backed by the proposed tower. When enough of those points are sold, that money must be spent in building the tower.
Basically it is self financed, and not funded through corporate funds.
Darkbeer1
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Interesting stats from the Budget meeting I am at now. Anaheim's average hotel occupancy is 82% and has been there for years. The nationwide average is in the mid 60's, and anything over 80% is amazing.
The average daily rate is at $194 a night, a number that keeps going up.
TOT (Hotel) taxes are up 8%, and that is about average year to year.
Sales tax is up 7.2%
FYI, DVC units pay about the same amount as the TOT taxes, though calculated differently.
The average daily rate is at $194 a night, a number that keeps going up.
TOT (Hotel) taxes are up 8%, and that is about average year to year.
Sales tax is up 7.2%
FYI, DVC units pay about the same amount as the TOT taxes, though calculated differently.
I'm sure Wuhan is a lovely place, with many unique charms that don't come across in those above photos of its smog.
I'm going to have to just trust you on that though, and allow someone else to schedule their Wuhan Spring Break 2021! vacation instead of me.
Thank you for the kind words and the feedback. Pretentiousness is part of my personality, like it or not.
But my God, you should have met my Aunt Ingrid, you would have hated her!
I'm also just one of those types who don't think that every country is special and that everyone is above average.
There are some really awful places out there somewhere beyond Fashion Island and Palm Springs. Take 21st century China for example. From what I've read, China is a horribly oppressive Communist country with many, many wide-ranging problems; slavery sweatshops, toxic air and water, 1 million Muslims currently held in concentration camps, forced abortions and forced organ harvesting of political prisoners, social credit scores, mass censorship, etc., etc., etc. And Wuhan, while I'm sure is filled with many nice folks and a snazzy high speed rail station, looks like a dirty and rather miserable place to live.
But that's just my opinion on things.
I am not getting on your case because how you feel about China and its government, that's not the issue at all. I don't disagree with those issues in fact. But you seem to assume there is nothing beyond that and like so many people do who has little to no personal experience about something just decided it has no redeeming value whatsoever to the point you basically question its entire existence. And more insulting its not the fact that you can't seem to fathom why someone may want to go there because clearly you seem to think people only go to cities to party or shop I guess. Your 'spring break' joke makes that clear. It's a big thriving city with jobs, industry, history and people; most likely all very much older than the city you're from. They go there because its a place many people live, work and have history with. Not everyone goes to a place because it just has nice malls and theme parks. Is that not enough?
But the real insult is when you questioned why someone from THERE would want to travel to Orange Country? Maybe the same reasons people from any part of the world would want to come to Orange Country? It comes off like people there are either too backward, myopic or uncultured to be in a place like Orange County. Maybe that's not your intention and if its not, OK, but it definitely comes across like that. That's what got me to respond more than anything. What else can I discern from it?
And lastly you called the area 'obscure' when you clearly knew nothing about it beyond a few Google searches. Clearly you know nothing about China beyond what you see on the internet. And that's fine. But then when you say something this ignorant you can't be shocked when people would respond.
Animaniac93-98
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This website's administrator would disagree:
News - Expect closure of Hong Kong Disneyland and Shanghai Disneyland to impact Walt Disney World
I'm hearing that in the wake of closures of both Hong Kong Disneyland and Shanghai Disneyland that there will be some tightening of the belt at Walt Disney World. Savings will need to be made, likely starting with labor.
I'm afraid you're reading way too much into my comments on Wuhan. China is huge, but it is also a poor country with a GDP per capita of only about $9,000 per person per year. It just surprises me how there is a few hundred million people in China who are wealthy enough to travel internationally, while the other Billion are not. What changes that country has seen in the last 20 years!
But a week ago I'd never heard of Wuhan. Had you??? A week ago could you point out Hebei province on a map, much less Wuhan? I certainly couldn't pick out Wuhan on a map, and I doubt most Americans could. I still can't, although I now know it's in the central interior area of China, southwest of Shanghai. Thus, I stand by my claim that Wuhan is an obscure place for me and most Americans.
Obscure. adjective
- not discovered or known about; uncertain.
But if you had a previous relationship and affinity for Wuhan and/or Hebei province prior to a week ago, then even you must admit that's a pretty rare thing for an American.
Otherwise, I'll keep reading my subscriptions to the New York Times, Los Angeles Times and whatever else realclearworld.com throws my way each morning and see what else they have to say about Wuhan and Communist China.
My understanding is that my retired life of leisure allows me to be actually pretty well read, compared to most Americans who barely have time to tune in to news radio on their commute or watch 20 minutes of the local TV news. I did, after all, start this thread within a few minutes of waking up last Friday and reading the breaking news from the BBC that Shanghai Disneyland had closed indefinitely.
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I was discussing the Paris acquisition as causing cuts to US parks. Try to follow along.This website's administrator would disagree:
News - Expect closure of Hong Kong Disneyland and Shanghai Disneyland to impact Walt Disney World
I'm hearing that in the wake of closures of both Hong Kong Disneyland and Shanghai Disneyland that there will be some tightening of the belt at Walt Disney World. Savings will need to be made, likely starting with labor.forums.wdwmagic.com
Nothing to do with Paris acquisition.