Will Disneyland USA suffer? ALL Of Disney's Theme Parks Now Closed - Reopening Dates Unknown

[TP2000]

With the CDC announcing today they're preparing for a coronavirus crisis in the US, wondering how this will impact DLR (and WDW, as well as everything) over the next few months.

Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says

"It's not so much a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more a question of exactly when," an official said.

www.nbcnews.com

Planning a trip in late May and definitely started having conversations around postponing our trip depending on what happens over the next month. I wonder if we will start to see travel slow down in the upcoming weeks ahead of a potentially dismal summer.

Something tells me we are at peak panic mode now, but reality will set in soon and people will start calming down as more facts come in.

Facts like; coronavirus has a death rate of about 3% of men and 1% of women in China, compared to a death rate of about 6% for a normal flu. 14,000 Americans die each year because of the common flu, and 50,000 Americans die each year because of pneumonia. But we all go to Disneyland anyway and touch that Space Mountain lap bar with abandon.

Even if you assume the Communist government is skewing the numbers and the death rate is double or triple what they admit (and that's exactly what Communists do routinely), that is still a very low death rate. And investigation the past few days has revealed that years of smoking is leading to increased death rates of Chinese men, as 52% of Chinese are lifelong pack-a-day smokers living in extremely polluted urban environments and their lungs are compromised because of that. Only 12% of Americans in 2020 are still regular smokers, and the air in American cities is many times cleaner and healthier than Chinese air.

So, I expect at least another week or three of this elevated panic, before the vast majority of people diagnosed with the coronavirus are seen to recover and some fact patterns develop in western democracies that allow people to start realizing exactly how mild this latest flu actually is.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

Something tells me we are at peak panic mode now, but reality will set in soon and people will start calming down as more facts come in.

Facts like; coronavirus has a death rate of about 3% of men and 2% of women in China, compared to a death rate of about 6% for a normal flu. 14,000 Americans die each year because of the common flu, and 50,000 Americans die each year because of pneumonia. But we all go to Disneyland anyway and touch that Space Mountain lap bar with abandon.

Even if you assume the Communist government is skewing the numbers and the death rate is double or triple what they admit (and that's exactly what Communists do routinely), that is still a very low death rate. And investigation the past few days has revealed that years of smoking is leading to increased death rates of Chinese men, as 52% of Chinese are lifelong pack-a-day smokers living in extremely polluted urban environments and their lungs are compromised because of that. Only 12% of Americans in 2020 are still regular smokers, and the air in American cities is many times cleaner and healthier than Chinese air.

So, I expect at least another week or three of this elevated panic, before the vast majority of people diagnosed with the coronavirus are seen to recover and some fact patterns develop in western democracies that allow people to start realizing exactly how mild this latest flu actually is.

I think lack of education and resources is the issue here.

I'm hoping all of this dies down. That would be great. I think the recent news of it spreading to Iran and Italy gives pause and with the CDC news today, it definitely should make everyone start mentally preparing for a worst case scenario for a few weeks and be happy if it turns out the change to Spring/Summer really does help kill off this virus.

Meanwhile, with Asia tourism crashing, I know for certain I'm heading to Japan at the end of the year or beginning of next year to cash in on those sweet, sweet deals that will be coming out.

 

[Disney Irish]

With a potential vaccine to start testing in the next couple week I suspect it'll get worse before it gets better. However I wouldn't start buying hazmat suits just yet. Just be smart about where you go out in public, normal stuff when there is a bad flu going around. Makes sure you wash your hands more often, and use bleach for cleaning.

 

[TP2000]

Meanwhile, with Asia tourism crashing, I know for certain I'm heading to Japan at the end of the year or beginning of next year to cash in on those sweet, sweet deals that will be coming out.

I was thinking the exact same thing two nights ago! Singapore Airlines already have some great deals to Tokyo, and when I checked the Bonvoy website I found some really good deals on some good hotels in Tokyo.

 

[Travel Junkie]

I don't know that the ice is as thin as we'd like it to be. Mr. Iger allowed Mr. Chapek to be the face of the openings of Rise Before Dawn on both the East Coast and the West Coast, and Mr. Chapek has been allowed to belch forth those ridiculously unbelievable "talking points" to the media for the past several months about the new ride and the land in general on both coasts.

For whatever reason, Bob Iger and the Board of Directors seem okay with Mr. Chapek being the face of Disney's theme park division. That doesn't tell me that anyone of any importance in Burbank thinks Mr. Chapek is the fraud and clueless dolt we think he is.

I'm catching up on threads and given today's news, this post from a couple weeks ago seems dead on..

I read an interesting article in The Atlantic this morning, basically describing the nearly entire collapse of the tourism industry in Southeast Asia this winter and looking ahead to spring. https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...omy-coronavirus-myanmar-china-tourism/606715/

Which comes as no surprise since basically no Chinese citizen can leave Communist China to travel abroad, and no one who doesn't have to would try to enter Communist China for the forseeable future. But the impact to the tourism-dependent economies of Southeast Asia is severe; Thailand is expecting to see 0.3% of its GDP disappear this quarter because of the lack of Chinese tourists.

I returned from SE Asia a few days ago and was in Thailand among other places. The tourism numbers were way down, especially when you consider this is the high season for SE Asia. It wasn't dead, but without Chinese tourists around it was noticeably uncrowded.

There has been rumors about TDR closing in addition to the Chinese resorts, but at this point it is just rumor.

Chinese companies are pushing back against the government to reopen businesses. Cases have begun falling in China, so we'll see how the government reacts.

 

[SSG]

Headlines today quote International Olympic Committee member D!(k Pound saying the 2020 Tokyo Olympics are more likely to be canceled than moved or rescheduled if by late May the coronavirus outbreak is deemed too dangerous to go ahead with the original schedule.

Speaking to Stephen Wade of the Associated Press, veteran IOC member Pound said "you're probably looking at a cancellation" if the authorities decide Tokyo 2020 cannot go ahead as scheduled from July 24 to August 9.

All of which completely undersells the fact there is an IOC official called D!(k Pound.

 

[DanielBB8]

So, I expect at least another week or three of this elevated panic, before the vast majority of people diagnosed with the coronavirus are seen to recover and some fact patterns develop in western democracies that allow people to start realizing exactly how mild this latest flu actually is.

The other shoe is ready to drop. Many are predicting the USA will have a widespread pandemic soon from the coronavirus like Italy is experiencing. It's a matter of time. I certainly hope not.

 

[TP2000]

The other shoe is ready to drop. Many are predicting the USA will have a widespread pandemic soon from the coronavirus like Italy is experiencing. It's a matter of time. I certainly hope not.

But Italy isn't experiencing a pandemic, it is only experiencing a panic over a potential pandemic sometime in the future.

 

[TP2000]

I'm catching up on threads and given today's news, this post from a couple weeks ago seems dead on..

Thank you, I try.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Facts like; coronavirus has a death rate of about 3% of men and 1% of women in China, compared to a death rate of about 6% for a normal flu. 14,000 Americans die each year because of the common flu, and 50,000 Americans die each year because of pneumonia. But we all go to Disneyland anyway and touch that Space Mountain lap bar with abandon.

These aren’t facts. Last week 6.8% of all deaths in the US were pneumonia or flu related. 266 of those deaths are attributed to the flu but during that week 20,746 had a positive clinical flu test. That means only 1.3% of those who tested positive died of the flu and not everyone gets a flu test. This year’s flu is bad and one killed three times as many people would be a major concern.

 

[lumberguy5]

Something tells me we are at peak panic mode now, but reality will set in soon and people will start calming down as more facts come in.

Facts like; coronavirus has a death rate of about 3% of men and 1% of women in China, compared to a death rate of about 6% for a normal flu. 14,000 Americans die each year because of the common flu, and 50,000 Americans die each year because of pneumonia. But we all go to Disneyland anyway and touch that Space Mountain lap bar with abandon.

If the flu killed 6% of people about 800 thousand US residents would be dead this year. The death rate for the flu is around 0.1% right now. Not to downplay the flu, but this year isn't a repeat of the Spanish Flu.

Corona is scary because the 1% death rate is an average of 15%/8% for the 80+/70s. Young people aren't going to be threatened by this, but for older people it's a very dangerous disease.

 

[wityblack]

Is TDO getting the same cuts TDA is? I know they're cutting back on labor, but they just re-lengthened their shortened EPCOT show times. Are they letting Disneyland take extra heat to keep the 50th up to snuff? They're committing to the Spaceship Earth major refurb (which hadn't even started construction). Or are a bunch of things on y/budget sliced that we've yet to see?

 

[DanielBB8]

But Italy isn't experiencing a pandemic, it is only experiencing a panic over a potential pandemic sometime in the future.

No, they closed off certain areas already.

 

[TP2000]

These aren’t facts. Last week 6.8% of all deaths in the US were pneumonia or flu related. 266 of those deaths are attributed to the flu but during that week 20,746 had a positive clinical flu test. That means only 1.3% of those who tested positive died of the flu and not everyone gets a flu test. This year’s flu is bad and one killed three times as many people would be a major concern.

Your right, I jumbled my percentages! I had read that 6% of deaths are flu-related, not that 6% of people who get the flue die.

Still, the point is that the base health levels of non-smoking Americans are much better than the base health levels of pack-a-day Chinese.

 

[TP2000]

No, they closed off certain areas already.

As of today there are 229 cases of Coronavirus in Italy, out of a country of 60 Million. They have quarantined people in Italy who have the Coronavirus flu, but those 229 people do not equal a "pandemic". The media reports out of Italy are about the silly panic buying in Milan supermarkets fueled by a media frenzy, not by any actual health emergency.

 

[DanielBB8]

“Meanwhile, guests at the H10 Adeje Palace hotel are under quarantine. Spanish news media reported that some 1,000 tourists staying at the complex are not allowed to leave. “

Venice is shut down. 270 cases for the country.

Travel advisory is level 2 already.

 

[TP2000]

“Meanwhile, guests at the H10 Adeje Palace hotel are under quarantine. Spanish news media reported that some 1,000 tourists staying at the complex are not allowed to leave. “

Venice is shut down. 270 cases for the country.

Travel advisory is level 2 already.

I know all that is happening, but it's not happening because there is a "pandemic". That is happening because people are panicking and quarantining entire hotels full of 1,000 people if one tourist gets sick. That is panic, not pandemic.

 

[DanielBB8]

I know all that is happening, but it's not happening because there is a "pandemic". That is happening because people are panicking and quarantining entire hotels full of 1,000 people if one tourist gets sick. That is panic, not pandemic.

It’s not a panic. It’s prevention. A quarantine to prevent infection that’s a real possibility for a pandemic. Now at 322 infected, which is a high number that’s only second to South Korea and after China.

 

[DrAlice]

Ok I've debated for the last few minutes whether or not to post this. I'm trying not to be "that person", so please just take this as a chance for learning some new terms. Or ignore it entirely. I won't be offended.

The word pandemic refers to an epidemic that spreads to multiple continents. If you are referring to a widespread increase of cases in one country or area, that is an epidemic. (Italy is experiencing an epidemic, not a pandemic.)

Also, if you really want to get technical (and really, who doesn't?), Italy might not have enough cases to actually be declared as having an epidemic yet. They might still be considered to be experiencing "sporadic" cases. The epidemiologists at the WHO makes those distinctions.

Ok, carry on.....

 

[Khcuttin]

I am in a bind here.

If this spreads, and the Anaheim Resort area has to basically shut down, not just Disneyland, but the Convention Center, Hotels, Restaurants, Bars, the Sports Venues, etc., the city residents will find out how important the economic engine is.

Lost of Jobs, tips and tax revenue, it won't be pretty.

The worries are real, I spent the day hanging out with others discussing things, numbers, etc.

Please understand why I am vague.

Coronavirus outbreak closes Shanghai Disneyland and other China tourist destinations

The coronavirus outbreak has forced the closure of tourist destinations across China during the Lunar New Year when hundreds of millions of Chinese travel domestically and internationally.

www.ocregister.com

Im not trying to be mean, but I was put off by your statements. Your a BEER guy. Idk if you own a factory, bar, import/export, or your just a bartender, but to imply that "you know "something" that the world doesn't know" is ridiculous and vain. PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHY IM BEING VAGUE, IM IN A BIND? YOU are what the world doesn't need right now, trying to imply that you are aware of intelligence that others aren't, and starting a panic. This is what drops our Stock Markets, etc.....its "talk". How does some beer guy have inside info? C'mon! That's kind of vain, don't you think? How much could the beer world be impacted, and do you think the average person REALLY cares about whether BEER is being imported/ exported??? How about FOOD, HEALTH, GAS, PAYCHECKS, nobody cares about BEER. Maybe a few beer drinkers, but to be honest that's the LEAST of the co ferns. BTW...I guarantee you have ZERO information. Your just trying to sound important and scaring people. Get a grip.