RobbinsDad
Well-Known Member
They're not going to build a new park because they don't have any new ideas. I guess they could build FoxWorld or something.
Not to be negative here folks, but what exactly would that 5th gate be?
First you have Fantasy and family with MK - which is supposedly getting an expansion of Villians world
Second you have the "adult" oriented park with EPCOT - and its worlds to see how people interact and how everyone is different but one - I love EPCOT by the way.
Third you get the magic of cinema and TV with Hollywood Studios
Fourth was the magic of nature and ecology with Animal Kingdom.
So what is left for 5th park? I don't think they will do Villains if they do Villains at MK. So Space or Oceans?
ME - I would love a space based park - make it totally indoors(so could be anywhere in country) and have transport that shows moving through space like a space station, have anti-gravity type rides, and resorts based on different planets.
but I don't see it happening though
That only works if they don't do current park expansions, which is all that they have committed to. If you do expansions of current parks, they won't double down in a new park. That isn't how they operate.Just do what Epic Universe are doing. Make it a set of lands that are all themed like Pandora or GE. They’ve got all these ideas already, just put them into a fifth park.
- Villains Land could be one of the lands. They’ve already been thinking about it.
- To the left of it stick in Encanto and / or CoCo.
- Then they can copy Cars Land
- Then they could copy Zootopia
- Throw in that Moana land/concept they’ve been cooking for AK ~ water rides..
- Indiana Jones land that fully embraces the IP and has a mine cart ride that can compete with Donkey Kong
Just put all the ideas into one park.
Or just make the whole fifth gate a big Villains land with Malefecients castle as the mirror opposite of MK. With each land being anchored by some specific villains.
Just looking at Epic Universe, I don’t see how Disney can really do anything to compete with it save for announcing a fifth park. Sure, they probably should “fix” the other parks but will that have the same excitement behind it that will attract people to it like EU?
That only works if they don't do current park expansions, which is all that they have committed to. If you do expansions of current parks, they won't double down in a new park. That isn't how they operate.
I don't think it is going to happen, at least not as things currently stand, and it probably shouldn't. They really need to significantly invest in filling, improving, maintaining, and expanding what they currently have.
If it were actually feasible, I imagine you'd see DisneySea Orlando, an east coast version of California Adventure, or perhaps some sort of hybrid of the two. I have contemplated other options in my armchair Imagineering sessions, but the aforementioned would seem to be the most realistic options in this otherwise unlikely scenario.
The water parks were mentioned which got me thinking - I guess one or both do not necessarily have to remain traditional water parks but both sites are relatively small with limited, if any, areas left for growth (at least not without significant, very costly, and likely prohibitive efforts to re-work existing features and infrastructure).
Adding pools like Stormalong Bay to existing resorts would be pretty cool.So many other things Disney could do to draw/keep people on property.
That's just scratching the surface. Disney doesn't need a 5th gate.
- Broadway/Vegas type production shows
- Re-committing to the "Foodie" experience with some better restaurants and concepts - in the parks and resort wide
- Another Entertainment District (that doesn't part mimic an outlet mall)
- Properly maintaining the parks they have now.
- Investing in larger resort style pools with more down-time options for the guest (see Bonnet Creek area, Hilton Orlando etc)
- More entertainment options at the resorts.
- More dinner shows
Which is why it’ll only happen after the current 4 parks get a wave of investment.I struggle to even think of what they would do with a 5th gate when there is ample underutilized space in Animal Kingdom, MK, and Epcot. 5 years of construction in Epcot (and counting) has netted a garden area with benches.
If US customers start taking 2 week vacations…instead of 1…you would see more parks.Which is why it’ll only happen after the current 4 parks get a wave of investment.
Not sure what the current plan is, but I really wouldn’t be surprised to see a new gate 2032-2035.
There were early plans for a 5th just before Covid afterall…
I do like your idea of dark mirror opposite of MK for the villains. It would be a gutsy move by Disney because it has to be done in a way that it's not too scary for the younger kids, but I envision theming of the level of Diagon AlleyJust do what Epic Universe are doing. Make it a set of lands that are all themed like Pandora or GE. They’ve got all these ideas already, just put them into a fifth park.
- Villains Land could be one of the lands. They’ve already been thinking about it.
- To the left of it stick in Encanto and / or CoCo.
- Then they can copy Cars Land
- Then they could copy Zootopia
- Throw in that Moana land/concept they’ve been cooking for AK ~ water rides..
- Indiana Jones land that fully embraces the IP and has a mine cart ride that can compete with Donkey Kong
Just put all the ideas into one park.
Or just make the whole fifth gate a big Villains land with Malefecients castle as the mirror opposite of MK. With each land being anchored by some specific villains.
Just looking at Epic Universe, I don’t see how Disney can really do anything to compete with it save for announcing a fifth park. Sure, they probably should “fix” the other parks but will that have the same excitement behind it that will attract people to it like EU?
I envision theming of the level of Diagon Alley
I don’t think a lot of people are aware of how well they did in Diagon in particular. It lacks rides…but the hidden details remind a lot of what gave classic Disney parks their lasting appeal…a full attempt at escapismSadly, I don't know that Disney can do that anymore. They used to be able to. And everybody else was miles behind. But it's a different Disney now.
Diagon Alley proved that Universal can match (I'd argue outdo) Disney in attraction/land design. Universal still has lots of work to do when it comes to operating their parks (mainly having more consistent operating hours and better food service), but Imagineer and Creative are fairly equal in the quality of the products they produce.I don’t think a lot of people are aware of how well they did in Diagon in particular. It lacks rides…but the hidden details remind a lot of what gave classic Disney parks their lasting appeal…a full attempt at escapism
It floored me the first time my family went through Diagon Alley. We weren't even big Harry Potter fans, but it made us more interested in the movies and books. That is what good theming can do, make you interested in the source material because it's so good. Instead of bad theming(looking at you Toy Story Land) that relies on fans love of the films to create interest in the land and thus skimp on details as opposed to providing such good detail you become more interested in the IP that it's based on.Diagon Alley proved that Universal can match (I'd argue outdo) Disney in attraction/land design. Universal still has lots of work to do when it comes to operating their parks (mainly having more consistent operating hours and better food service), but Imagineer and Creative are fairly equal in the quality of the products they produce.
…blue ocean…no one can resist a good “label”It floored me the first time my family went through Diagon Alley. We weren't even big Harry Potter fans, but it made us more interested in the movies and books. That is what good theming can do, make you interested in the source material because it's so good. Instead of bad theming(looking at you Toy Story Land) that relies on fans love of the films to create interest in the land and thus skimp on details as opposed to providing such good detail you become more interested in the IP that it's based on.
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