Minthorne
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It’s true. Disney has released a statement that these gondolas will be oven-hot, wildly-swinging, lightning-stuck cabins of doom with the sole purpose of reducing the overcrowding at parks.
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Why you will never see a People Mover at the DLR to move folks to parking structures - $5 Billion
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It’s true. Disney has released a statement that these gondolas will be oven-hot, wildly-swinging, lightning-stuck cabins of doom with the sole purpose of reducing the overcrowding at parks.
Practical Pig
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So, on a quick glance about Google, I don't see anything confirmed by Disney. The blogosphere seems convinced, with different opinions about whether the A/C would really be needed because – different opinions.
Curious Constance
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One problem at a time. Geez.
BrianLo
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The gondolas are detachable and have dedicated central storage at the main interchange station. They will be removed from the line and stored in a holding pen during a hurricane. This is not unusual as many ski resorts are in the habit of removing their infrastructure from the line daily. Of course Disney will run the thing for such extended hours that they will not bother apart from circumstances like a hurricane.
I would not be surprised if the capacity of the DL skyway was 20% of what the Dopplemayr D-line is capable of. I think there are going to be a lot of very surprised people when the Gondola proves a better efficiency, capacity and reliability than the Monorail they've been begging for.
TP2000
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The LAX PeopleMover (surprised Disney didn't patent that name) is a massive system that covers miles of track and links multi-facilities along a fully elevated track over a busy urban environment. A similar system linking Disneyland and a parking structure would be a fraction of the cost, while still expensive.
Here's a 90 second overview of the scale and scope of the LAX system that was just approved. And if it weren't for the Olympics coming next decade, I have to wonder if they'd have even attempted this massive and expensive system.
Here's a 90 second overview of the scale and scope of the LAX system that was just approved. And if it weren't for the Olympics coming next decade, I have to wonder if they'd have even attempted this massive and expensive system.
TP2000, WED did copyright the name, but WED was bought by Bombardier, and got the copyright as part of the deal.
And since Bombardier is building the LAX system, they opted to use the name.
And very good point about the 2028 Olympics. Don't forget that Anaheim is a host city in 2018, with the Honda Center being a main venue for Volleyball and other sports. Long Beach is another main city other than LA that is part of the Summer Olympics.
And since Bombardier is building the LAX system, they opted to use the name.
And very good point about the 2028 Olympics. Don't forget that Anaheim is a host city in 2018, with the Honda Center being a main venue for Volleyball and other sports. Long Beach is another main city other than LA that is part of the Summer Olympics.
truecoat
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The cars will be well ventilated and the trips are short, 5-10 min. Air conditioning would be more trouble than it's worth.
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WHAT!?
GiveMeTheMusic
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It's true! Bombardier BOUGHT Walter Elias Disney! He lives with them now and they don't let him do anything but clean bathrooms.
truecoat
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It's true! Bombardier BOUGHT Walter Elias Disney! He lives with them now and they don't let him do anything but clean bathrooms.
They just bought the frozen head.
Phroobar
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That is bad as Kevin Smith trying to convince Stan Lee to move in with him. We know he just wants to polybag Lee and add him to his near mint collection.It's true! Bombardier BOUGHT Walter Elias Disney! He lives with them now and they don't let him do anything but clean bathrooms.
https://waltdisney.org/blog/walt-disneys-peoplemover
>>They were propelled by Disney’s new WEDway system, so named because it was inspired by Walt and developed by WED (Walter Elias Disney) Enterprises, the precursor to today’s Imagineering.<<
And I should say that Bombardier bought the rights to the Monorail and PeopleMover, not the entire company, which was bought by the Disney Corporation from the Disney Family, along with parts of Retlaw.
>>They were propelled by Disney’s new WEDway system, so named because it was inspired by Walt and developed by WED (Walter Elias Disney) Enterprises, the precursor to today’s Imagineering.<<
And I should say that Bombardier bought the rights to the Monorail and PeopleMover, not the entire company, which was bought by the Disney Corporation from the Disney Family, along with parts of Retlaw.
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Ah, OK. I thought Bombardier bought WED Enterprises, or WDI. Got it.
Stevek
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Problem? That sounds like some E-ticket fun!
Phroobar
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Sure. You and all the homeless.
choco choco
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I'm just going to design based off of how to get from the new Mickey and Friends/Pinocchio combo to the esplanade (since I think all other parking structures right now are hypothetical). So decide around 17,000 vehicles between the two of them. Common multiplier of three people per vehicle (industry standard). Take Darkbeer's 20% surge condition (I don't know where he gets that number, but let's go with it)....and you get 10,200 people per hour.
- At that number, the monorail is a non-starter*
- The current parking tram system is basically not functional.
Both the monorail and the parking tram suffer from the same problem, which is that the vehicle has to stop while boarding.
So now you're going for a system that constantly moves:
- A top of the line 3s gondola gets a published spec of around 5,000 people per hour (Citation Link)
Not bad, but not ideal and seems a bit like overkill for 3/4's of a mile. At such short distances and with such a high capacity, the winner seems to be....
- A moving walkway! at 8,200 people per hour (Citation Link)
This is damn near the best that I could find. It's probably the best decision, which is why everyone from Disneyland Paris to Universal Orlando uses them. Essentially two moving walkways would do the job. The problem with moving walkways, of course, is that Disney would have to build a right-of-way from the Mickey/Pinocchio to the Esplanade. Do they bridge it the whole way (really expensive), do they leave it at ground level (how do guests cross the street?). The cheapest way would probably be to eliminate the trams and put moving walkways along the tram route.
If people complain that they have to walk/stand the length of the moving walkway (people complaining about 3/4's of a mile is just the funniest thing to me) to which I have an equally funny solution: Disney will provide folding chairs at the beginning of the route and when you get on the moving walkway, you can simply plop down your folding chair on the right side of the conveyer belt and ride your way to the end, at which point you re-fold the chair and give it back to a Disney employee who will ride it back to the front. Problem solved.
*Personal opinion: the monorail is a stupid, outdated way of moving people and I don't know why anybody, from airports to Las Vegas to Disney, would continue building them. As BLo suggested, you could build a gondola system or aerial tramway that moves the same amount of people with a simpler to maintain system at a fraction of the cost. Mainly because there's no need to construct heavy concrete pillars and concrete spans so high in the sky if a cable will do the job.
- At that number, the monorail is a non-starter*
- The current parking tram system is basically not functional.
Both the monorail and the parking tram suffer from the same problem, which is that the vehicle has to stop while boarding.
So now you're going for a system that constantly moves:
- A top of the line 3s gondola gets a published spec of around 5,000 people per hour (Citation Link)
Not bad, but not ideal and seems a bit like overkill for 3/4's of a mile. At such short distances and with such a high capacity, the winner seems to be....
- A moving walkway! at 8,200 people per hour (Citation Link)
This is damn near the best that I could find. It's probably the best decision, which is why everyone from Disneyland Paris to Universal Orlando uses them. Essentially two moving walkways would do the job. The problem with moving walkways, of course, is that Disney would have to build a right-of-way from the Mickey/Pinocchio to the Esplanade. Do they bridge it the whole way (really expensive), do they leave it at ground level (how do guests cross the street?). The cheapest way would probably be to eliminate the trams and put moving walkways along the tram route.
If people complain that they have to walk/stand the length of the moving walkway (people complaining about 3/4's of a mile is just the funniest thing to me) to which I have an equally funny solution: Disney will provide folding chairs at the beginning of the route and when you get on the moving walkway, you can simply plop down your folding chair on the right side of the conveyer belt and ride your way to the end, at which point you re-fold the chair and give it back to a Disney employee who will ride it back to the front. Problem solved.
*Personal opinion: the monorail is a stupid, outdated way of moving people and I don't know why anybody, from airports to Las Vegas to Disney, would continue building them. As BLo suggested, you could build a gondola system or aerial tramway that moves the same amount of people with a simpler to maintain system at a fraction of the cost. Mainly because there's no need to construct heavy concrete pillars and concrete spans so high in the sky if a cable will do the job.
Curious Constance
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Yes, in thirty YEARS.
Stevek
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I'll be like 80 so that will be perfect.
Old Mouseketeer
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The parts of Retlaw included the DL monorail and steam train and the rights to the "Walt Disney" name (rather than paying annual royalties as they had previously). My cousin worked for Retlaw in the '70s and worked both attractions. The Retlaw office on Main St. was located at the back of what is now Starbucks. As you go East on Center St. towards the lockers, Retlaw was the last door on the right.
Buying the train and monorail was necessary because Disney's payments to Retlaw depended on ticket collection and prior to Epcot's opening, DL converted to passports from ticket books. Also, the consolidation of the Disney brand made owning unlimited use of Walt's name very advantageous.
One result of this transaction is that the Disney Family had to negotiate with the Disney company for a name for the museum. The agreed-upon construct effectively differentiates between the two entities. It's worth noting that the company has made many contributions to the museum, including the loan of some landmark equipment, such as the multi-plane camera and the sfx editing device.
It's ironic that Disney sold the monorail and peoplemover technology to Bombardier, but then went with a lower bidder for DL's Mark VII monorails (who had never built monorails) with resulting mechanical problems. Plus they didn't bother to consult Bob Gurr. (And they didn't order any touch-up paint which ed off facilities to no end when they damaged the mondo-expensive show car metal flake finish placing the first train on the beam).