Why you will never see a People Mover at the DLR to move folks to parking structures - $5 Billion

Darkbeer1

Darkbeer1

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Practical Pig said:
For a considerably shorter distance. But with your background, you are not someone I would try to counter on a subject like this. Carry on. :)
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Shorter Distance? A Parking Structure in the Toy Story Lot would be about a 2 mile loop, and LAX is 2 1/4 miles. Also, as Disney would want to expand, we arte looking at places like the current Ball and Harbor CM lot, and maybe a shared structure at the Angel Stadium. (Remember, these new structure would have to be Freeway Friendly regarding on/off ramps.

Thank you for the complement, but discussion is what we do here....
 
Darkbeer1

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Rich T said:
The DL People Mover broke down constantly-- Not a lot per day, but guests stranded on PM was a very common sight, and past CMs have described it being a long, tedious process to evacuate and reset. Think about all those exposed rotating tires on the outdoor sections. If one stopped working, it could bring the whole system to a screeching halt.
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I got stuck on it multiple times, including a couple of times over the lagoon... a long walk back to either the Circle Vision or Carrousel or Progress building to exit down the stairs.
 
Darkbeer1

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Let's see, between Disneyland after Galaxy Edge and DCA after the first Super Hero Expansion, you are looking at a fire marshal capacity of 100,000 or so. At opening and closing, easily you have at least 20% if not much more entering or exiting the parks. So you are looking at a 25,000 or more moving in the area, which includes folks walking to Hotels, taking public transit, hotel shuttles (ART), and heading back to their vehicles. The new combination of Mickey and Friends and Cleo is about 17,000 vehicles, you have a planned structure at Simba, the Eastern Gateway (Pummba) is also still on the plans (7,000 vehicles), plus at least another structure by the time DCA is built out. At 3 people a vehicle, that is over 50,000 folks just at the Western M&F/Cleo area. 20% is 10,000, so similar to the LAX capacity.
 
Rich T

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dweezil78 said:
I'm still dying to see how efficient that thing is both from a capacity and reliability POV... The skyway always had the most ridiculous waits, I don't see how this is going to efficiently get people around the property. Really interested to see how they pull it off!
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It oughta be great during the daily summer thunderstorms. Hope WDW shows it more care than they have the monorail.
 
Ismael Flores

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I think there is a huge difference in what a peoplemover would cost for LAX and one for Disneyland resort.

The people movers for the airport supposedly will connect travelers to the metro system and a proposed transportation hub that is quite a distance away thru a heavy populated and built area.

A peoplemover from a Disney parking structure could be built easily over the existing tram route on the west side. On the east side depending on where the structure is built it would still not be as bad as the one for LAX.


I’m just glad that they are finally doing something to LAX. LAX is probably one of the ugliest and worst airports for a major hub in the world.
Many cities around the world put LAX to shame.
Actually many international airports put most airports in the USA to shame. :-)

Once they centralize all rental car places and start forcing shuttles to go to a centralized transportation hub then maybe LAX will be less unpleasant to fly from
 
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dweezil78

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Rich T said:
It oughta be great during the daily summer thunderstorms. Hope WDW shows it more care than they have the monorail.
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Seriously... like what are they going to do with that thing when a hurricane hits? They have to have thought all this stuff through I'm sure, you don't just get a massive project like that greenlit without proving your case first. But still... I'd love to know!

And yeah, poor monorail. Though as old, gross, and rundown as it is, I still get excited to go for a ride every time I visit! :)
 
Rich T

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Ismael Flores said:
I think there is a huge difference in what a peoplemover would cost for LAX and one for Disneyland resort.

The people movers for the airport supposedly will connect travelers to the metro system and a proposed transportation hub that is quite a distance away thru a heavy populated and built area.

A peoplemover from a Disney parking structure could be built easily over the existing tram route on the west side. On the east side depending on where the structure is built it would still not be as bad as the one for LAX.
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This is present-day Imagineering we're talking about. It could end up costing as much as a manned Mars landing.
 
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Rich T said:
The DL People Mover broke down constantly-- Not a lot per day, but guests stranded on PM was a very common sight, and past CMs have described it being a long, tedious process to evacuate and reset. Think about all those exposed rotating tires on the outdoor sections. If one stopped working, it could bring the whole system to a screeching halt.
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It also couldn't operate when it rained. Not sure why, but I always assumed it had something to do with the tire traction. Anyone here know the real reason?
 
Darkbeer1

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I never expect to see a people mover to M&F. Only a further location like Toy Story, Ball and Harbor or the Angel Stadium area. To make operating sense, you have to be talking a decent distance away.
 
Practical Pig

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Rich T said:
I don't really want my first and last DL experience of any given day to be an aerial view of Anaheim.
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So make the windows VR screens and voila! Now the transport could be an attraction. Remember that Lockheed Martin Mars Bus project with the windows that would change from clear to opaque screens that took school kids to Mars?

Never happen, of course. Disney's not even giving those poor quests in Florida air conditioning in those dangling cans. And who am I kidding? The screens would just be used for corporate promotion.
 
Model3 McQueen

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networkpro said:
No it's going to be almost an exact replica of the SkyLink at DFW, PHX Sky Train, and Heathrow's Terminal 5.
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Thanks! I haven't flown in over 10 years but I've seen the one at PHX, picking up and dropping off family. When I hear "people mover" I picture a train of 5 or 6 cars with just a canopy over each one lol
 
George Lucas on a Bench

George Lucas on a Bench

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Just build a tram system similar to the Roosevelt Island Tram. As we know, aerial trams are all the rage at Disney these days.

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Old Mouseketeer

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Darkbeer1 said:
I never expect to see a people mover to M&F. Only a further location like Toy Story, Ball and Harbor or the Angel Stadium area. To make operating sense, you have to be talking a decent distance away.
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Not necessarily--look at the Orlando and Tampa airports. That's a distance more like the Eastern Gateway (although I think moving sidewalks is more appropriate there).

I think a better solution for M&F would be a new generation tram with doors that swing upward for the whole car like Universal with the ability to load at grade for entire cars, including wheelchairs and ECVs. It would need a channel at the load/unload with side wheels to stabilize the tram cars.

I think Toy Story is doing great with buses.
 
lazyboy97o

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1LE McQueen said:
Is the one in LAX going to be similar to the one at WDW?
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It will arguably be a descendant of the WEDway PeopleMover. Bombardier bought WED Transportation Systems from Disney in the 1980s.

dweezil78 said:
Seriously... like what are they going to do with that thing when a hurricane hits? They have to have thought all this stuff through I'm sure, you don't just get a massive project like that greenlit without proving your case first. But still... I'd love to know!
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The towers are still built in conformance with the EPCOT Building Code. They’re also rather skinny, so there is not a lot of surface area for wind to load against.
 

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