Why not do what Universal does?

Flippin'Flounder

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Oh, and since you asked, name the 3 headliner attractions that FP+ allows you to do at Epcot and Hollywood Studios. And before you attempt to answer, allow me to remind you of that lovely tier system that Disney uses. You know, the one that Universal does NOT use.
Epcot- Spaceship Earth, Mission:Space, Test Track
DHS- Star Tours, Tower of Terror, TSMM
There's no tier system at Uni? Then why can't my EP let me go on the Harry Potter rides?

And yes I'm fully aware the Harry Potter has been discussed before, and so has TSMM, but I just wanted to point out how wrong this comment is (Even though you have a legitimate argument in other replies)
 

JusticeDisney

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Epcot- Spaceship Earth, Mission:Space, Test Track
DHS- Star Tours, Tower of Terror, TSMM
There's no tier system at Uni? Then why can't my EP let me go on the Harry Potter rides?

And yes I'm fully aware the Harry Potter has been discussed before, and so has TSMM, but I just wanted to point out how wrong this comment is (Even though you have a legitimate argument in other replies)
Well, if you think Star Tours and Spaceship Earth are headliner attractions, then you and I define that term very differently.

Anyway, at Epcot, you can't do both of the top two attractions (Test Track and Soarin) with FP. And at DHS, you likewise can't do both of the top two attractions (TSM and RRC) with FP. At Universal, by contrast, of the numerous top attractions at both parks, only one in total is exempt from express pass.
 

JusticeDisney

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Well I tried but I won't be reading this thread anymore. Anything posted about FP+ is just instantly replied to with a "nope you're wrong EP is better because I like it more".
I suppose you just forgot to complain about the people who say FP+ is better simply because they like it more. Just an oversight by you, I'm sure.

By the way, I've seen many replies in this thread where people have given actual explanations as to why they prefer the express pass system. I guess that was just another oversight on your part though, right?
 

Flippin'Flounder

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Well, if you think Star Tours and Spaceship Earth are headliner attractions, then you and I define that term very differently.

Anyway, at Epcot, you can't do both of the top two attractions (Test Track and Soarin) with FP. And at DHS, you likewise can't do both of the top two attractions (TSM and RRC) with FP. At Universal, by contrast, of the numerous top attractions at both parks, only one in total is exempt from express pass.
SSE is what most people think of when the think of Epcot. Last time I was there it had a 60 min wait the whole time (although I was there on a very busy weekend) Star Tours, however, is definitely a headliner, waits are low due to its high capacity. Then again, everything is a headliner when there are only five rides in the park...

At least at Disney you get the choice of which top attraction you get to ride, whereas at Uni you are forced to not use EP on the Potter rides. Personally, I don't see this as an issue, as I never get EP, and it would just make that wait even longer, but using tiers as you argument just won't work. I'd also like to point out that you said you can't do the top two at Ep and DHS, but the top two at IoA are The Hulk and Forbidden Journey, and at USF the top two are Gringotts and Transformers (In my opinion)

Again, I think you bring up many points, tiering shouldn't be one.
 

JusticeDisney

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SSE is what most people think of when the think of Epcot. Last time I was there it had a 60 min wait the whole time (although I was there on a very busy weekend) Star Tours, however, is definitely a headliner, waits are low due to its high capacity. Then again, everything is a headliner when there are only five rides in the park...

At least at Disney you get the choice of which top attraction you get to ride, whereas at Uni you are forced to not use EP on the Potter rides. Personally, I don't see this as an issue, as I never get EP, and it would just make that wait even longer, but using tiers as you argument just won't work. I'd also like to point out that you said you can't do the top two at Ep and DHS, but the top two at IoA are The Hulk and Forbidden Journey, and at USF the top two are Gringotts and Transformers (In my opinion)

Again, I think you bring up many points, tiering shouldn't be one.
Tiering is something that has been mentioned by people, but it was never a main point of mine. To me, the main advantages of EP over FP are that you are not limited to only three rides, and you don't have to lock yourself into 1-hour windows that are often set as much as 60 days in advance.
 

Flippin'Flounder

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Tiering is something that has been mentioned by people, but it was never a main point of mine. To me, the main advantages of EP over FP are that you are not limited to only three rides, and you don't have to lock yourself into 1-hour windows that are often set as much as 60 days in advance.
It may not have been your main point, but you used it, and it's wrong.
Oh, and since you asked, name the 3 headliner attractions that FP+ allows you to do at Epcot and Hollywood Studios. And before you attempt to answer, allow me to remind you of that lovely tier system that Disney uses. You know, the one that Universal does NOT use.
And, for the third time, your other arguments are perfectly valid (Even if some people, including myself, don't necessarily agree)
 

JusticeDisney

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It may not have been your main point, but you used it, and it's wrong.

And, for the third time, your other arguments are perfectly valid (Even if some people, including myself, don't necessarily agree)
Sorry, but the tier system argument is not wrong, no matter how many times you lay on the floor and kick and scream and say that it is. Bottom line is Disney uses a tier system and Universal does not.
 

Flippin'Flounder

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Sorry, but the tier system argument is not wrong, no matter how many times you lay on the floor and kick and scream and say that it is. Bottom line is Disney uses a tier system and Universal does not.
Disney has a tier system where you get to choose which of the most popular attractions you want to ride. Universal has a "tier" system (notice the quotes) where they choose which of the most popular attractions you get to ride. Similar systems, different names.
 

Goofyernmost

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Sorry, but the tier system argument is not wrong, no matter how many times you lay on the floor and kick and scream and say that it is. Bottom line is Disney uses a tier system and Universal does not.
So what does Harry come under... appropriate exclusion? The only reason it isn't called a tier system is because there is no option. At least at Disney you can chose one to go to with a FP. Not so with Harry and his little band of Wizards. BTW, at Disney, Epcot's tier makes you chose between Soarin and T.T., however, T.T. has a single rider line and you can chose to do it that way. At DHS the choice is between ToT and TSMM, that one is tougher but it really is a no brainer to take the TSMM one because it's never as long a wait at ToT. RnRC has a single rider line as well that can expedite the ride time.
 

JusticeDisney

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Disney has a tier system where you get to choose which of the most popular attractions you want to ride. Universal has a "tier" system (notice the quotes) where they choose which of the most popular attractions you get to ride. Similar systems, different names.
Okay, call it what you want, but Universal's "tier" system (notice the quotes?) lets you ride all but one attraction in each park. Disney's tier system lets you ride only three attractions in each park. Sorry, but anyone who prefers the Disney system is not functioning at full mental capacity. Unless, money is the issue for them.
 

Flippin'Flounder

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Okay, call it what you want, but Universal's "tier" system (notice the quotes?) lets you ride all but one attraction in each park. Disney's tier system lets you ride only three attractions in each park. Sorry, but anyone who prefers the Disney system is not functioning at full mental capacity. Unless, money is the issue for them.
No, the tier system isn't what limits the rides to 3 per day. Maybe it's you that isn't functioning at full mental capacity if you think that's what it does. The tier system is only in place at 2 of the parks, so what would it even have to do with the other parks. Also, as @Goofyernmost said, Test Track and RNRC have single rider lines, so you can go on all the headliners you were complaining about before.
 

JusticeDisney

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No, the tier system isn't what limits the rides to 3 per day. Maybe it's you that isn't functioning at full mental capacity if you think that's what it does. The tier system is only in place at 2 of the parks, so what would it even have to do with the other parks. Also, as @Goofyernmost said, Test Track and RNRC have single rider lines, so you can go on all the headliners you were complaining about before.
Listen, you're the one making this all about the tier system. I only mentioned the tier system as one of several reasons why EP is better. If you like a system better that limits you to three choices and locks you into a one hour window, which you have said you do, that's fine. Or, maybe you just can't afford the extra cost of the EP. That's fine too. I on the other hand, prefer the system that allows acces to many more attractions and doesn't make me lock into a one hour window two months ahead of time. Oh, and the extra cost for the EP is nothing to me.
 

JusticeDisney

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No, the tier system isn't what limits the rides to 3 per day. Maybe it's you that isn't functioning at full mental capacity if you think that's what it does. The tier system is only in place at 2 of the parks, so what would it even have to do with the other parks. Also, as @Goofyernmost said, Test Track and RNRC have single rider lines, so you can go on all the headliners you were complaining about before.
Oh and one more thing. I prefer to vacation and have fun with my family. You and your family can have a blast splitting up and riding the rides all by yourself in the single rider lines though.
 

Mouse Trap

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Okay, call it what you want, but Universal's "tier" system (notice the quotes?) lets you ride all but one attraction in each park. Disney's tier system lets you ride only three attractions in each park. Sorry, but anyone who prefers the Disney system is not functioning at full mental capacity. Unless, money is the issue for them.

The reason why people prefer the Disney system is because Universal makes it blatantly obvious that those with money get more power in the parks. Yes, Disney gives more power to money as well, but Universal writes it up and down their park that if you pay up you get a privilege that is comparably free at Disney. It's not very hard to see why the Disney system is favored by many.

Let's do some math...

The standard one day P2P Universal Express averages about $75, let's say you use it at 15 attractions you're spending $5 an attraction and this is just for one day.

At Disney the standard FastPass+ averages about $0 and you typically will only use it on 3 attractions (but more is very possible) resulting in a total of $0 an attraction. Also you can add some days to your FastPass+ for another $0.

Family of 5's front of the line expenses for two days at Universal? $750
Family of 5' front of line expenses for ___ days at Disney? $0

Yes, you get more attractions with Express Pass. Yes, you can go on whenever you want. But it's not hard whatsoever to see why some people HATE the Universal system. It favors those with bigger pockets and upfront says those with money are "special" in our park, rather than hiding it like Disney ;) So saying someone who prefers Disney's system is not functioning at full mental capacity, unless money is this issue, is totally unfair because Universal's System relies on and is built around money. There is no Express Pass without $$$. So let's not jump to insults.
 

Flippin'Flounder

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Oh, and since you asked, name the 3 headliner attractions that FP+ allows you to do at Epcot and Hollywood Studios. And before you attempt to answer, allow me to remind you of that lovely tier system that Disney uses. You know, the one that Universal does NOT use.
This is what you said
Epcot- Spaceship Earth, Mission:Space, Test Track
DHS- Star Tours, Tower of Terror, TSMM
There's no tier system at Uni? Then why can't my EP let me go on the Harry Potter rides?

And yes I'm fully aware the Harry Potter has been discussed before, and so has TSMM, but I just wanted to point out how wrong this comment is (Even though you have a legitimate argument in other replies)
And this is how I replied
Oh and one more thing. I prefer to vacation and have fun with my family. You and your family can have a blast splitting up and riding the rides all by yourself in the single rider lines though.
And about this however, although this is just my opinion and I don't want to start an argument, I see my family all the time, I'm not at Disney all the time. I 100% understand that many people don't use it, but for the people who like it, it's nice to have the option. :)
 

Minnesota disney fan

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So are you doing a 1 park or 2 park ticket? Because I believe the cost is higher for an Express Pass on a 2 park per day ticket. If you are visiting during a busy time of year, I would consider purchasing the Express Pass. Rides like Transformers and the Hulk are VERY popular. We waited in the Express Pass line for Transformers for 20-25 minutes.

We're just doing a one park ticket, Universal studios side only. We've done IOA and weren't impressed, except for HP stuff so are not doing that side again. So,just one day and studios side only. This will be mid November, so not sure if it will be very busy or not? I think we will go ahead and get the EP, as you did, too. I don't want to wait all day for each ride when we only have one day for studios side. Thanks for your post:)
 

Luxe

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Okay, call it what you want, but Universal's "tier" system (notice the quotes?) lets you ride all but one attraction in each park. Disney's tier system lets you ride only three attractions in each park. Sorry, but anyone who prefers the Disney system is not functioning at full mental capacity. Unless, money is the issue for them.

Ok now you're just being rude. You're putting down everyone who likes the FP+ system in a thread you created asking why Disney doesn't do what Universal does. On top of that you go on to condescend people by saying that YOU have no problem with the extra cost and too bad so sad for everyone else. It seems clear now that you just posted this thread to tell everyone "nope EP is better and you're an idiot if you think FP+ is better", what's the point in that?

Side note, you may not know this but you can actually book more FP times after you use up your original 3 picks. You can even do this the same day, not 60 days in advance(crazy I know).
 

Disneyhead'71

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We're just doing a one park ticket, Universal studios side only. We've done IOA and weren't impressed, except for HP stuff so are not doing that side again. So,just one day and studios side only. This will be mid November, so not sure if it will be very busy or not? I think we will go ahead and get the EP, as you did, too. I don't want to wait all day for each ride when we only have one day for studios side. Thanks for your post:)
I would advise against EP in mid November. That is the off season between Halloween Horror Nights and The Who-lidays. Just do Despicable Me first, then Gringott's. Those will be the only 2 attractions with major lines.

Oh, and @Mouse Trap, the EP isn't expensive so the rich and not famous can look down on the plebs. It's expensive because they don't want everyone using them. If they were cheap, everyone would buy them and the end result would be the EP line becomes the defacto Standby line.

As it stands now, it is almost exclusively an on-site resort and Platinum AP (after 4pm) perk. They don't sell a lot of EPs.
 
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JusticeDisney

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Ok now you're just being rude. You're putting down everyone who likes the FP+ system in a thread you created asking why Disney doesn't do what Universal does. On top of that you go on to condescend people by saying that YOU have no problem with the extra cost and too bad so sad for everyone else. It seems clear now that you just posted this thread to tell everyone "nope EP is better and you're an idiot if you think FP+ is better", what's the point in that?

Side note, you may not know this but you can actually book more FP times after you use up your original 3 picks. You can even do this the same day, not 60 days in advance(crazy I know).
I simply stated that the extra cost of the EP is something that I can afford. And you know what, I can. I never once put anyone down who can't afford it. So, since YOU have been rude to me by claiming that I put others down who can't afford it, why don't you point out exactly where I did that, or else you can apologize.
 

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