Why is everyone so upset?!

Krack2

Krack2

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Future Guy said:
Some of it is that we remember a time before the Eisner-Pressler years when Disney was not afraid to be lofty and ambitious, and was not content simply to coast on its reputation. True, those two gentlemen (and by "gentlemen", I mean "Satan's Lambada partners") are gone, but I don't know if the damage they did will ever be undone.
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Bingo. And I'd like to expand on this by positing that the biggest problem is that the company has abandoned long-term thinking when it comes to the parks. It killed DCA for a decade. It has resulted in a quarter-day park in AK and a half-day park in DHS. It is why every new attraction has to have a movie tie-in. It is the erosion of immersive environments in order to stick a character or Princess or a kiddie ride somewhere that they were never intended to go. It is why park merchandise is now completely generic and the same items can be purchased in every store in every park. It is why they've dismantled Main Street and turned into one long Wal-Mart from the entrance to the hub. It's why the Wonders of Life is closed and Disney refuses to update Future World unless someone else picks up the bill. It's the reason JII gets dismantled and shortened in half. It's the tearing down attractions to build new ones, rather just building a new one and leaving the old one too. It is the disregard for the adult experience and, instead, banking on your ability to hook kids and have them force/guilt their parents into vacationing there. It's the unfinished Pop Century buildings. It's the removing of nightly "New Year's Eve" at Pleasure Island.

You don't notice all these things as they are happening. But if you abandon long-term thinking, eventually over years, the little annoyances start to add up and people get upset. That is where Disney is now - they've annoyed enough of their fanbase that they are starting to get brushback. And now they are sitting there going "What'd I do? I don't understand your complaints. You guys are so unreasonable!"
 
jmani56

jmani56

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I don't think anybody here dislikes refurbs or dislikes change, they would just prefer the change to be for the better. Why spend the money on a refurb if the ride is less than it once was? This is obviously a matter of opinion, but I think most "complainers" feel that once great, epic attractions have been dumbed down and have had corners cut just to save money on a quick re-theme. That is the issue, not whether people are afraid of change.
 
EPCOT Explorer

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cdunbar said:
Poor fish Evan always has it out for him....:lookaroun
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If he were to get out of EPCOT, or be mildly futuristic, he would be fine.
Figment632 said:
Don't worry about it it is all opinion but EE is right in some of the things you mentioned Disney is capable of being much better.

1. SSE is in no way awful and looks great. On the other side they along with Siemans are being cheap and didn't finish the ride.

2. SM whil it looks great they could have done better.

3. SGE on the other hand imo is the worst attraction ever produced by Disney. I would rather havecto do nothing but Sounds Dangerous and Narnia all day than do SGE once.
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Did you EVER go on JII 2.0? At least Stitch is mildly interesting. :lol: I don't mind it.
Future Guy said:
Some of it is that we remember a time before the Eisner-Pressler years when Disney was not afraid to be lofty and ambitious, and was not content simply to coast on its reputation. True, those two gentlemen (and by "gentlemen", I mean "Satan's Lambada partners") are gone, but I don't know if the damage they did will ever be undone.

However, some of the complaints I read on here remind me of some of the more fundamentalist Star Trek fans who hate the new J.J. Abrams movie with a passion. They'll go on forever about "canon violations" and arguments about how imaginary technology "really" works until it's blindingly obvious that these people compose such a tiny segment of the moviegoing public that it would never be remotely profitable to make a movie that caters to them. And even if someone did, they'd probably just angrily pick it apart, because they're the Star Trek Taliban and it's what they do.

The TTA is a good example. The folks who complain about the new audio track conveniently forget that prior to 1994 the WEDWay PeopleMover (as it was then known) had an audio track very similar to the one that's there now. If you look at the big picture, it's obvious that Disney didn't "ruin" it as much as return it to its pre-1994 form. "But no one complained about it in 1994!" you say. That's because the Internet was an embryo of its present self. If the Internet in its present form had existed back then, and everyone had access to it, there would have been no shortage of posts complaining of raped childhoods and accusing Michael Eisner of engaging in creatively deviant sexual practices.

I'll complain vociferously when Disney ignores maintenance and good show in favor of negligible financial savings, or when they change something that was perfectly good and popular just to create "synergy" with some new franchise they're trying to promote, but the mere fact that something has changed is not in itself a reason to complain. I'll at least try to experience the changed attraction for myself to see if I like it or not.
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EX-ACT-LEE.:lol::sohappy: Well said.


The only problem I have with your post is about the internet and TTA. I don't think it's ruined, but I do think that we lost a integral part of the the TL Story. It no longer feels like a huge city or spaceport....it's just a tour...through a land.:shrug: Fine for a OLD TL, but not the highly themed version that we have.
 
Sloan

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We love Disney

Tom Morrow summed it up pretty well, so I won't repeat what he said.

My take: We really love Disney. We have high hopes and expectations that have been fueled by our many wonderful past trips to the World, and seeing what can be accomplished when the best and the brightest are given leave to create. We've seen and experienced how great it can be, and in our love for the Parks and the resort in general, we hope for nothing but the best, and naturally can get a bit disappointed when, in our many individual opinions, Disney does not deliver on those high hopes and expectations.

I for one still love my trips to the World, and don't let any one little disappointment ruin my love & enthusiasm for the experience. Still, I think that we, as some of the biggest supporters and fans of Disney, should be able to express when we are less than thrilled. And I also reluctantly agree in saying that some of the recent changes have left me disappointed and/or unimpressed (while others have been great).
 
Dads 2 Boys

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jmani56 said:
I don't think anybody here dislikes refurbs or dislikes change, they would just prefer the change to be for the better. Why spend the money on a refurb if the ride is less than it once was? This is obviously a matter of opinion, but I think most "complainers" feel that once great, epic attractions have been dumbed down and have had corners cut just to save money on a quick re-theme. That is the issue, not whether people are afraid of change.
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I have to respectfully disagree and to agree with the poster of this thread. Most people hate change and many of those people passionately hate change.

I do believe the large majority of the people on this site are a little too fanatic about Disney and do not have perspective nor objectivity regarding WDW. They want what they want and think certain refurbs and improvements should be what they think it should be or to the level they believe it should be.

We do not know what goes on in the Boardrooms of Disney to fully understand what they can or cannot do or we would be Disney execs and Imagineers. Certain people may think they do but in reality we don't have that knowledge.

So before some of you go telling other posters that they are "wrong", understand it is their opinion as it is yours. Some people will enjoy the changes and some people won't. Either way.....nobody is wrong.

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Figment632

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EPCOT Explorer said:
If he were to get out of EPCOT, or be mildly futuristic, he would be fine.

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Did you EVER go on JII 2.0? At least Stitch is mildly interesting. :lol: I don't mind it.


EX-ACT-LEE.:lol::sohappy: Well said.


The only problem I have with your post is about the internet and TTA. I don't think it's ruined, but I do think that we lost a integral part of the the TL Story. It no longer feels like a huge city or spaceport....it's just a tour...through a land.:shrug: Fine for a OLD TL, but not the highly themed version that we have.
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If you are talking about the version of JII without Figment then no.
 
Master Yoda

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Krack2 said:
Have you heard a single person complain about the Haunted Mansion refurb?
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Yes. There was one poster here on Magic that if I am not mistaken got himself banned over his displeasure of the spiders being replaced by the Esher-esque stair scene. In a similar situation there were people completely bent about Millionaire being replaced by TSMM. The one constant in Disney refurbs is that someone will always hate it.
 
jonnyc

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Master Yoda said:
Yes. There was one poster here on Magic that if I am not mistaken got himself banned over his displeasure of the spiders being replaced by the Esher-esque stair scene. In a similar situation there were people completely bent about Millionaire being replaced by TSMM. The one constant in Disney refurbs is that someone will always hate it.
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I could kind of understand being upset about the removal of millionaire...

...but being upset about the stair scene replacing the spides :hammer:.
 
EPCOT Explorer

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Figment632 said:
If you are talking about the version of JII without Figment then no.
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Ah....see....there enlies your problem. That ride was TERRIBLE. You think JIYIwF is bad....Hah! This was the nadir of WDI, and it hurts me to say that. :( :lol:
Dads 2 Boys said:
I have actually.
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Master Yoda said:
Yes. There was one poster here on Magic that if I am not mistaken got himself banned over his displeasure of the spiders being replaced by the Esher-esque stair scene. In a similar situation there were people completely bent about Millionaire being replaced by TSMM. The one constant in Disney refurbs is that someone will always hate it.
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WOW, are you kidding?! I was a infrequent poster back then, I don't remember that.


...anyone got a a link?:lookaroun:lol:
 
EPCOTPluto

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Phonedave

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I will hazard to say, it's not because people do not like change.

It's because people like to complain, and everyone is a critic.

I'll throw a quote from a Disney Movie itself out here. There is more than just a nugget of truth in the following.


In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.

-dave
 
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richiericher22

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Master Yoda said:
Yes. There was one poster here on Magic that if I am not mistaken got himself banned over his displeasure of the spiders being replaced by the Esher-esque stair scene. In a similar situation there were people completely bent about Millionaire being replaced by TSMM. The one constant in Disney refurbs is that someone will always hate it.
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Over spiders?
 

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