Why I may not go again

[Diamond Dot]

Room checks are done in response to the Las Vegas mass shooting a few years back
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I posted an email sent to me in response to the question as to why Disney do room checks. If this is the case then why do Disney claim it's for safety, security, maintainence and other purposes which is actually very vague.
Personally my view is that it's an excuse not to have to do housekeeping because housekeeping could do those while they service the room, in fact, the room checks are so brief that they would find less than the housekeepers would.
With regards to Las Vegas. I don't know about domestic flights within the US, but, overseas visitors cannot bring lethal weapons on a flight, not in hand luggage nor in the hold, they would not be able to legally buy weapons when in the US either, so you could argue that they should only check rooms occupied by US guests, which of course they cannot do and let's be honest, anyone bringing firearms for nefarious purposes will either keep them in their vehicle, if they drove down or locked in a suitcase that no CM could access, which, considering what they do with a room check is not going to happen. As for maintainence, I would hope that would be checked in between guests checking out and checking in and most guests would spot something in need of fixing and report it.
Still let's have a room check every day and let guests clean their own rooms, why not go the whole hog Disney and leave cleaning supplies in the rooms for us to eliminate housekeeping altogether. Oops, I hope no one from Disney reads that last part and gives them ideas.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Depending on the industry, the business, it has become normalized to look at customers / patrons / guests as monetary resources to be exploited to the fullest extent possible (to include deceptive and questionable business practices) to fatten the bottom line. The entertainment / hospitality industry deals in intangibles such as experiences where such things as over pricing / cheap presentation and minimal service diminish the quality of the service causing customer dissatisfaction. Too bad the corporate mentality now is provided as little as possible, as cheaply as possible for the maximum amount of money possible.

Remember though we played a part in this. People nowadays demand that their 401k and investments make 50% year after year. Stockholders have a part in this new attitude

I believe due to the money driven corporate mentality certain things will not change. The rack rates for the various resorts need to be commensurate with what is being offered by other resorts Disney's rates are overpriced for what is being offered. Charging for registered guests to park at the various resorts on property needs to go, we are doing what everyone else is doing thing is not acceptable Disney is supposed to be a cut above everyone else. I understand charging for parking for visitors that are not registered guests, but registered guests are already paying. Do away with the disastrous GENIE, period. Eliminate the park reservation thing if a park begins to hit max capacity STOP SELLING TICKETS don't jerk the visitors around. Lastly get the construction projects underway DONE! The construction zone look does nothing for the parks, rather detracting, potential guests will wait for the projected attractions to be completed and operating to schedule visits to experience them. Not a lot of vacationer's care to stare at construction walls, equipment, materials and dirt piles. Lastly stop blaming COVID for issues, that is last week's news.
TWDC worked diligently to achieve it but finally in 2021 the I Want to Come Back feeling was not there anymore.

Who said "Disney is supposed to be a cut above"??
A cut above what??

According to their mission statement they are to be "the world's leading producers and providers of entertainment and a few other things but whether or not someone wants to come back??? Lol not so much. The best you can say is that you dont want to return.

 

[Nubs70]

I posted an email sent to me in response to the question as to why Disney do room checks. If this is the case then why do Disney claim it's for safety, security, maintainence and other purposes which is actually very vague.
Personally my view is that it's an excuse not to have to do housekeeping because housekeeping could do those while they service the room, in fact, the room checks are so brief that they would find less than the housekeepers would.
With regards to Las Vegas. I don't know about domestic flights within the US, but, overseas visitors cannot bring lethal weapons on a flight, not in hand luggage nor in the hold, they would not be able to legally buy weapons when in the US either, so you could argue that they should only check rooms occupied by US guests, which of course they cannot do and let's be honest, anyone bringing firearms for nefarious purposes will either keep them in their vehicle, if they drove down or locked in a suitcase that no CM could access, which, considering what they do with a room check is not going to happen. As for maintainence, I would hope that would be checked in between guests checking out and checking in and most guests would spot something in need of fixing and report it.
Still let's have a room check every day and let guests clean their own rooms, why not go the whole hog Disney and leave cleaning supplies in the rooms for us to eliminate housekeeping altogether. Oops, I hope no one from Disney reads that last part and gives them ideas.

2017 Las Vegas shooting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Married5Times]

Who said "Disney is supposed to be a cut above"??

as in who believes such a claim...........
close to everybody under the sun who has an appetite for theme parks.

 

[drizgirl]

Who said "Disney is supposed to be a cut above"??

Their pricing?

 

[Nubs70]

Disney today is like the dealership repair shop. If something is potentially wrong, it will be replaced at a premium price.

Disney of old is like a local repair shop. The same item may be worn but is not unsafe at will last for some time. You only get charged for an hour of the mechanics time.

Just had my brakes looked at yesterday at a local shop. The calipers are a little sticky but are not unsafe and will last for sometime. Replacement would run $700 - $1000 if I wanted to replace them. I only got charged for 1 hour of his time.

 

[kalel8145]

Disney today is like the dealership repair shop. If something is potentially wrong, it will be replaced at a premium price.

Disney of old is like a local repair shop. The same item may be worn but is not unsafe at will last for some time. You only get charged for an hour of the mechanics time.

Just had my brakes looked at yesterday at a local shop. The calipers are a little sticky but are not unsafe and will last for sometime. Replacement would run $700 - $1000 if I wanted to replace them. I only got charged for 1 hour of his time.

Be careful.

 

[SteveAZee]

Remember though we played a part in this. People nowadays demand that their 401k and investments make 50% year after year. Stockholders have a part in this new attitude

Who said "Disney is supposed to be a cut above"??
A cut above what??

According to their mission statement they are to be "the world's leading producers and providers of entertainment and a few other things but whether or not someone wants to come back??? Lol not so much. The best you can say is that you dont want to return.

Can you tell me which investments you're getting 50% return on? I'll keep it between the two of us.

I'm thinking about what's at the core of workers at a company wanting to drive up stock price and/or earnings, and I would guess that it's less about 'demand' or competition for investors' dollars and more about bonuses based on profit and/or stock options. I was told early on to be careful about what you measure because people will focus on that to the exclusion of all else. If you measure performance primarily by the value of the stock (i.e. stock options) people will optimize for that. Measure bonuses based on how well a department/division performs against budget, well that's what they'll focus on.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

I don't know the Disney fanatics are who helped drive up prices. There aren't enough fanatics to sway them away from some terrible decisions. I don't think there are enough (at least not hard core) fanatics to jack up the prices. I think it's the general public. People say on here that for every fanatic who decides not to go, 4 more from the GP will fill that spot. While I don't really agree with that either, fanatics are just so much smaller a number to make a dent either way. JMO anyway.

For those who notice, sorry for repeating myself, but it's simply supply and demand. As long as there are massive crowds, prices will increase. One cannot complain about huge price increases, and huge crowds at the same time. If you think the crowds are too big now, imagine if they reduced prices. If you want smaller crowds, you should be lauding the price increases and hope for more to think out the crowds. If you want lower prices, you should be hoping for such big prices to get people to not go because that's the only way Disney will reduce prices. The only way to get lower prices is when the balance between revenue and crowds starts to tip the other direction. Once the attendance falls to a point where revenue is lower than before the prices increases, those prices will be scaled back with coupons. With crowds continuing to increase year over year, so will prices.

Oh, and Phil, I'm with you on getting rid of queue skipping systems all together. Disney created a monster with FP. Now it's a monster that is no longer beneficial to the customer in any way. It gots to go!

I find the fastpasses are like those payday loans you get. You know they are bad for you overall, but it is a short term fix. Yet in the long term they are hard to get out of completely. But you think you can get out of them by constantly re-borrowing and even borrowing more! Then it becomes this vicious cycle where you are paying the interest on $300 every other week when all you needed in the first place was $100.

That's the fastpasses. It started out with good intentions, but then you realize the old system worked much better and with better flow.

 

[Chi84]

Oh, and Phil, I'm with you on getting rid of queue skipping systems all together. Disney created a monster with FP. Now it's a monster that is no longer beneficial to the customer in any way. It gots to go!

As long as we’re talking about things that will never happen at WDW, my vote is to bring back Horizons! How I loved that ride.

Disney markets heavily to multi-generational families. Many older people have physical limitations short of actual disabilities that make it difficult if not impossible to wait in long lines all day. (I've been there prior to any type of fast pass; the rides you actually want to go on will have long lines.) The funny thing is, often it is these very people who have the disposable income necessary to pay for ridiculously expensive vacations and Disney well knows this.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree that line skip systems are "no longer beneficial to the customer in any way." It depends on which customers you're taking about. I know, I know - those with limitations should find other places to go, visit when there are no crowds, etc. Luckily, that's not Disney's take on matters.

 

[Lilofan]

as in who believes such a claim...........
close to everybody under the sun who has an appetite for theme parks.

Escape reality, perfect escape , get away from everything , etc etc

 

[Pepper's Ghost]

As long as we’re talking about things that will never happen at WDW, my vote is to bring back Horizons! How I loved that ride.

LOL!

Disney markets heavily to multi-generational families. Many older people have physical limitations short of actual disabilities that make it difficult if not impossible to wait in long lines all day. (I've been there prior to any type of fast pass; the rides you actually want to go on will have long lines.) The funny thing is, often it is these very people who have the disposable income necessary to pay for ridiculously expensive vacations and Disney well knows this.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree that line skip systems are "no longer beneficial to the customer in any way." It depends on which customers you're taking about. I know, I know - those with limitations should find other places to go, visit when there are no crowds, etc. Luckily, that's not Disney's take on matters.

Regarding, those with physical limitations, I completely agree, but FP wasn't designed for that. It's a skip-the-line system. I'm totally on board with those who have physical limitations to have that benefit, and I'm anti that they need to find other places to go. That attitude is horrific... that if you can't do it like everyone else, guess you shouldn't do it. I'm on board with a benefit that is verified with some simple process if limitations aren't obvious. The disabilities cut the line ratio would probably be 1-to-10 or 1-to-20 rather than the exact opposite which is used for FP admission. That means the stand-by queue would move a lot faster... win-win. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Married5Times]

As long as we’re talking about things that will never happen at WDW, my vote is to bring back Horizons!

you just inspired a new thread.........

 

[Roy G. Dis]

LOL!

Regarding, those with physical limitations, I completely agree, but FP wasn't designed for that. It's a skip-the-line system. I'm totally on board with those who have physical limitations to have that benefit, and I'm anti that they need to find other places to go. That attitude is horrific... that if you can't do it like everyone else, guess you shouldn't do it. I'm on board with a benefit that is verified with some simple process if limitations aren't obvious. The disabilities cut the line ratio would probably be 1-to-10 or 1-to-20 rather than the exact opposite which is used for FP admission. That means the stand-by queue would move a lot faster... win-win. That's my opinion anyway.

Skipping the line is great when you have little kids who can't tolerate a 45 minute wait as well as an 8 and 10 year old could. How many other places can you enjoy as a 3 year old and a 73 year old, equally? I mean really, just tell me and I will go to those places!

 

[Jrb1979]

Skipping the line is great when you have little kids who can't tolerate a 45 minute wait as well as an 8 and 10 year old could. How many other places can you enjoy as a 3 year old and a 73 year old, equally? I mean really, just tell me and I will go to those places!

That right there is why Disney will never fail. They are the perfect park for the old and the young to visit together. There is no other park like it for that.

 

[Andrew25]

That right there is why Disney will never fail. They are the perfect park for the old and the young to visit together. There is no other park like it for that.

Europa Park, Efteling, Dollywood, and eventually Epic Universe would beg to differ.

Look at that, they all start with E.

 

[M&M fan]

I'd already posted on another thread about how hubby and I sold our DVC because we're not happy with the place anymore either. And it is sad because this was our happy place. But the greed knows no end now. Obviously some agree and others don't and that's fine. But I would like to just give my opinion on what I think has been the biggest problem at Disney World over the decades. It's gonna be controversial what I say but this is just my opinion but Disney World should have never had the annual passholder for Floridians. I don't know when the program started or if it was always from the beginning when the park first opened, but they should have never started this program.

My reasoning is that Disneyland was the original and was meant to be a day park, like Six Flags. Californians could go there and enjoy and yes they did build some hotels/motels nearby so that way families all over could come and obviously have a place to stay. But DL was originally meant as a day park, and there is a reason why Walt came up with the idea of DW--a vacation resort with the multiple theme parks and hotels because this was gonna be different from DL. And people running the show at the company obviously forgot about this over the decades and the people too.

What everybody has been seeing for the past two decades now is the Floridan who lives nearby DW and has that passholder, they started coming to the parks every weekend. I admit it, I did it too when I lived in Lakeland a few years ago. And I did feel some guilt about it after I moved away too. But what my hubby was told by some teenagers when we lived there was that this was what they did every weekend. It was the thing to do in Central Florida if you live there. You go to Disney, Universal, etc.

What the problem is is that by starting these annual passholder programs for the locals, the locals have now turned these theme parks into their place to go and it kinda does ruin the whole thing for the "vacationer", the person who actually paid a LOT of money to come for a week or more to enjoy the place. And y'all know what I'm talking about. Remember when they started making some strict rules about the reservations for restaurants and that was because there was serious abuse of people making the reservations and then not showing up and they were getting tired of it? Who caused that? Not the tourist who came for vacation. And then you've got the entitled attitude from some of these FL/passholders who have proclaimed over the years on this message board about how there isn't a problem and that people are wrong about the passholder taking over DW and such and I mean it just speaks for itself. Then you add in the greed of Disney and it just snowballed from there over the decades.

Remember, and I'm sorry the post is getting long, but DW was meant to be a vacation spot, not a day park, like DL. Now DL makes sense with having the passholder for Californians there; even they've gotten another park and built the Grand Californian, I think that's what it's called, but it's still not the big behemoth that DW is. Because DW was built to be a destination spot. A true vacation. Now Disney is just at fault but it's obvious that they started catering at first to the passholders, for the money they brought in obviously, and it just created a monster. Because it's obvious now that all these fancy restaurants they have at the deluxe hotels, they are expecting these passholders to bring in the money. Also would be the reason why they have overloaded the parks by letting everybody in instead of actually having a limit per day. The overcrowding is part of the reason a lot of people have stopped going in the recent years or if they were on their first vacation, they probably never bothered to come back now.

The annual passholder has got to go, I believe, in order for DW to get back to its original roots and become the vacation destination again. Yes, a FL can come but they're gonna have to pay that ticket price and it should have already been like this--you want to come for a day, you pay the price. Also, the company needs someone in charge of DW who understands this and starts putting new practices and systems in place to get it back to what it originally was supposed to be about. They started catering to the person who returns every weekend instead of the vacationers and that's who you don't want to run off. Because the FL aren't staying at any of those hotels all the time, it would be the vacationer. And this would tie into the problem of why they keep turning more of the hotels into DVC, and we all know what that's all about, that's a whole other problem right there. All in all, this is why the parks are overcrowded and Disney has nobody but themselves to blame. They let the passholders basically take over the place and it's almost as if there's some sort of weird thing where they know they messed up but yet they need those passholder dollars to keep the place going. And this is not what DW was supposed to be about. This is what DL would be. So Disney has really messed up, at least DW, in my opinion and there's no telling what the real solution would be. But I'm just glad I got to enjoy the place when I could but the magic is gone.

This is just my opinion.

 

[Jrb1979]

Europa Park, Efteling, Dollywood, and eventually Epic Universe would beg to differ.

Look at that, they all start with E.

I agree with you there. I would even put Cedar Point in there too. There is a lot of wonderful parks out there. It's unfortunate many only know Disney

 

[todd23]

Europa Park, Efteling, Dollywood, and eventually Epic Universe would beg to differ.

Look at that, they all start with E.

Except Dollywood!

 

[Andrew25]

Except Dollywood!

Whoops, put dollywood right before i sent it lol