Why didn't The Little Mermaid ride turn out like this?!

tinkerblonde11

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I've only seen the youtube POV of the ride, but I think what is a let down for me is the Ariel Animatronic.
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For me it just doesn't really look like her, and looks like a bad toy version.
 

jw24

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I am going to guess that this version was not made because it was darker and not as kid friendly as the current version.

That's what I thought, as well. btw, it's getting these long lines because it's new. No matter what new attraction you bring to a park, people are always going to be intrigued by a new attraction. That's just the golden rule.
 

jaklgreen

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We were at WDW in the beginning of June and there was a line during the day but after dinner it was almost walk on. I do not think it is good enough to go on over and over again. The video version is waaayyyy better. It made you feel like you were actually under the water(which is what they are trying to do). The actual ride is cheaply done and you look up at a black industrial ceiling(very unDisney). Loved the Ursula transition in the video. They definitely dropped the ball on this one. It looks as if it was made 30 years ago with the limited technology they had back then. Very disappointed. I won't be surprised if it goes for a refurb in a couple of years.
 

Tonka's Skipper

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We found the New Mermaid ride wonderful..........excellently done with a child in mind.

This is the NFL............FANTASYLAND..............for children.........kids.......... to have the best fun anywhere and Disney did just that. Not every ride needs to be a techno wonder...........yes techno ride are great in their own way. However the traditions of the dark rides, like the new Mermaid ride and the classic wonder of rides like It's a small world and Peter Pan are wonders and magic to children and should always be part of WDW.

Thinking on it, its wonder and magic to me as well at 62.........just as Walt intended, to help us adults keep that bit of childhood in us, well and alive.


If you want techno and thrill rides....Uni is down the road and there always 6 flag type parks. There is no magic, or pixie dust or child like wonder.........but you can be trilled on the coasters and the effect in the scary rides.
 

Bairstow

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I'm still surpriused at how many people bag on the Little Mermaid ride. Everyone seems to be expecting a new splash mountain but all it was ever supposed to be is a clever little C-ticket and that's exactly what it is.

As for the video posted above, does anyone have any info on that? Is it official or fan-made? The show building for something like that would need to be massive.
 

sweetpee_1993

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So I just discovered this concept video of what The Little Mermaid ride was gonna be like before they built it.

(Don't get mad at me, but I hate the Little Mermaid :p ) I'm not a fan of this new ride either except for the fact that it has nice air conditioning. I would ride this ride more times than the new one. I like how it has a darker theme and isn't as happy as the current ride.

Enjoy!




Don't worry, I'm not a fan of the craptastic, overly plasticated version that was constructed. Nice queue, though. And A/C although it was in January when we rode it so we weren't trying to escape the heat. LOL!

WDW didn't get anything like this amazing concept video because it was built by Disney. I would imagine this sort of thing being built by the likes of OLC in one of their parks because their approach is entirely different. For them, design drives budget. In the US parks budget drives design. When design drives budget awesome things are imagined then funds are put together to make them happen as designed. When budget drives design awesome things are imagined but then details peeled away like the layers of an onion as lack of funding dictates. Sad, really. If you're going to imagine something so incredible be committed and follow thru. Anything done half- comes off as half-done which, to me, is exactly what NFL got with their mermaid ride. But it's a nice queue. I'd almost dare to say a lot of those elements came from the budget for NextGen which is why you see a very different level of detail in the 2 parts of the whole. The queue got more budget so it got more detail.


This looks like the exact ride - the only difference is that this is computer generated so it looks much better than the ride itself. I love the ride only because of the air conditioning but I will never stand in line for more than 5 mins for it. The ride itself is pathetic and looks like something that belongs in a new start up theme park not at the Magic Kingdom

Gotta disagree here. One of the BIGGEST differences I saw was that when you progress under the sea you don't just turn a corner with some bubble lighting and water sound effects to simulate the transition. The ride vehicle actually physically dipped down under the surface of the "water". The ride vehicles were so much better because you felt more like you were in a shell vs. the same ol' clam mobiles from Nemo/Epcot. Also, when you dipped under the water it looked like there was a transition to an overhead track. There was much more meandering thru some of the scenes which felt like you were more involved in those. It's more of an investment in the environment for the guest. Think of it in terms of looking thru the window vs. going inside and wandering the room at-will. The scenes were far more complete in that the environments were complete. The floor in front of the vehicle was the water surface or the ocean floor. The ceiling above the scenes were complete in that they were sky or water vs. darkened backstage voids that don't exactly pull off "Don't look here." The environments were complete free of voids. This made the entire experience far more immersive.

Another huge difference is that this concept was not the standard omni-mover. You didn't see a vehicle in front of you. This is more akin to how the vehicles move thru ToT. Imagine if they had integrated a track-less system like the elevators. A compromise might even be the way the vehicles are spaced a little in attractions such as Peter Pan. With additional scenes, more movement thru more complete scenes, more levels, and more to explore you can space out the vehicles or even make the vehicles a larger capacity (in the video they sat twice as many as the clam-mobiles) without sacrificing as much on overall capacity.

Disney HAS the technology to do these things. They HAVE the Imagineers and the ability to create these types of mind-boggling things. They don't have to be the things of concepts and non-Disney owned/operated parks. What Disney lacks in it's US parks is commitment to design and willingness to spend what it takes to not compromise. Budget drives design here. That's why we get things that are a mere shadow of the original designs. On some level, I find the paired-down versions constructed of what the brilliant Imagineers dream up to be an insult to those talented folks. As a creative-type person, if I designed something and saw it only half-created I'd either not allow it to be created to begin with or trash it. I take pride in what I create. If it's not complete and correct it's not complete or correct. I won't have that because I. do. not. compromise.

Disney makes it crystal clear that their commitment is to Wall Street. What they do particularly in the US parks has not a darned thing to do with pride in product and form. Oh sure, I'll have the flamers casting their jabs at me for saying that: "Sorry to burst your bubble but Disney is a business and they have to make money to survive." Well, that's all fine and good but how many of us go to the Disney parks or stay in the Disney resorts so we can admire the amount of money they're raking in? What? You don't? You go to be immersed in rich environments that escape the daily tribulations of life/work/school???? Hmmmm..... Interesting.....
 

AllyInWonderland

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Original Poster
I'm still surpriused at how many people bag on the Little Mermaid ride. Everyone seems to be expecting a new splash mountain but all it was ever supposed to be is a clever little C-ticket and that's exactly what it is.

As for the video posted above, does anyone have any info on that? Is it official or fan-made? The show building for something like that would need to be massive.
I saw in the comments on this video that this video came with a special edition Little Mermaid DVD. I think it's real.
 

Black Pearl

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The version that is there now is strange in how it ends. After Ariel sells her voice to Ursula, she kisses the guy and they get married while Ursula is "shocked" in the background. Basically this version of the story condones the fact that Ariel sold her voice and made it look like she did the right thing. There is an alarmingly huge gap in the story that my wife and I commented on the very first time riding it in preview. It was kind of a let down because we were some of the first people in that park before it officially opened and rode it a couple of times with no lines, and that was the thing that left the biggest impression on me.

Thinking of it further, Ursula almost looks like a victim that Ariel used and then had "zapped" lol.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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We found the New Mermaid ride wonderful..........excellently done with a child in mind.

This is the NFL............FANTASYLAND..............for children.........kids.......... to have the best fun anywhere and Disney did just that. Not every ride needs to be a techno wonder...........yes techno ride are great in their own way. However the traditions of the dark rides, like the new Mermaid ride and the classic wonder of rides like It's a small world and Peter Pan are wonders and magic to children and should always be part of WDW.

Thinking on it, its wonder and magic to me as well at 62.........just as Walt intended, to help us adults keep that bit of childhood in us, well and alive.


If you want techno and thrill rides....Uni is down the road and there always 6 flag type parks. There is no magic, or pixie dust or child like wonder.........but you can be trilled on the coasters and the effect in the scary rides.
No one in this thread (or anywhere else i've seen) complained that Mermaid wasn't a coaster. I don't think anyone is unhappy about it being a dark ride at all, there needs to be more of those at WDW. They're complaining that it's a disappointing dark ride and didn't turn out nearly as good as it could and should have (had it been built about 20 or so years ago as originally planned, it probably would have been). Some considering it below even the older Fantasyland dark rides (for me it would depend on the ride you're comparing it to). Even without the concept video posted in this thread, it's easy to see they cut major corners pretty much everywhere in building this.

The Ariel animatronics, while impressive from a movement perspective, don't even look like her as someone said. And besides the couple of larger Ariel and Ursula figures, there are way too many copy and paste characters everywhere that only spin or wobble with a single motion (not even animated as well as many of the figures in Peter Pan, Pooh or Snow White's Scary Adventures). The ending of the ride is a rushed mess, particularly Ursula's defeat and Ariel getting her voice back. They tried to closely follow the plot of the movie for the first half but it feels like they cheaped out on the second half and just rushed it through without thinking (for the finale scene they just recycled the same limited motion figures from the Under the Sea scene).

Universal has dark rides of its own btw. I've yet to make it there myself, but i've seen videos of ET and The Cat In the Hat rides and they clearly have a ton of magic and are easily fantastic looking dark rides. Someone would have to have some kind of irrational dislike against anything not Disney to be unable to see that. Not even to mention future plans for the place.
 

Goofyernmost

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The version that is there now is strange in how it ends. After Ariel sells her voice to Ursula, she kisses the guy and they get married while Ursula is "shocked" in the background. Basically this version of the story condones the fact that Ariel sold her voice and made it look like she did the right thing. There is an alarmingly huge gap in the story that my wife and I commented on the very first time riding it in preview. It was kind of a let down because we were some of the first people in that park before it officially opened and rode it a couple of times with no lines, and that was the thing that left the biggest impression on me.

Thinking of it further, Ursula almost looks like a victim that Ariel used and then had "zapped" lol.
Don't get too upset. It all fixes itself in the next version that shows Ariel with about 6 kids at her fins while the prince is off playing poker and drinking beer with his high school buddies. That little light will come on and she will know that this was one huge mistake. To bad..too late..to funny!
 

Black Pearl

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Okay, when you think about the other Fantasyland dark rides, this one is one of the better ones. How can you say it isn't good? It's a good 5-6 minutes and it does a pretty good job at telling the story of the film other that let's say Peter Pan's Flight. The Ursula Audio Animatronic is breathtaking. Her movements and mannerisms are so lifelike! It's great air conditioning, but c'mon the ride isn't horrible! It's entertaining, fun, cute, and a breath of fresh air for our Fantasyland. It not might have that much of a climatic ending, but come to think of it, do the other rides in Fantasyland have a climatic ending? Peter Pan's Flight, Winnie the Pooh? Think about it! Under the Sea models after those primitive Fantasyland dark rides and while it's not the best ride at MK, it's still a fairly decent ride. I feel like this expansion has done justice for our lacking fantasyland.

I think Pooh is actually a more immersive ride with a better use of story, effects, and novelty. The Ursula character is great, but the last time we see her? It reminds me of those old puppets kids would pull the string on to make their legs and arms go up and down.
 

Tonka's Skipper

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No one in this thread (or anywhere else i've seen) complained that Mermaid wasn't a coaster. I don't think anyone is unhappy about it being a dark ride at all, there needs to be more of those at WDW. They're complaining that it's a disappointing dark ride and didn't turn out nearly as good as it could and should have (had it been built about 20 or so years ago as originally planned, it probably would have been). Some considering it below even the older Fantasyland dark rides (for me it would depend on the ride you're comparing it to). Even without the concept video posted in this thread, it's easy to see they cut major corners pretty much everywhere in building this.

The Ariel animatronics, while impressive from a movement perspective, don't even look like her as someone said. And besides the couple of larger Ariel and Ursula figures, there are way too many copy and paste characters everywhere that only spin or wobble with a single motion (not even animated as well as many of the figures in Peter Pan, Pooh or Snow White's Scary Adventures). The ending of the ride is a rushed mess, particularly Ursula's defeat and Ariel getting her voice back. They tried to closely follow the plot of the movie for the first half but it feels like they cheaped out on the second half and just rushed it through without thinking (for the finale scene they just recycled the same limited motion figures from the Under the Sea scene).

Universal has dark rides of its own btw. I've yet to make it there myself, but i've seen videos of ET and The Cat In the Hat rides and they clearly have a ton of magic and are easily fantastic looking dark rides. Someone would have to have some kind of irrational dislike against anything not Disney to be unable to see that. Not even to mention future plans for the place.

Well we can agree to disagree.....



BTW.......please don't throw that *They only like Disney if they don't like Uni* or comments like *irrational dislike*, they are rude poor shots, and take away from your points.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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BTW.......please don't throw that *They only like Disney if they don't like Uni* or comments like *irrational dislike*, they are rude poor shots, and take away from your points.
I said nothing of the sort about "they only like Disney if they don't like Uni", nor do I have a clue what that is even supposed to mean by that accusation...

Whether you find it rude or not, it comes off as irrational to dismiss Universal because it "lacks magic, pixie dust and childlike wonder". Those are something you'd see as marketing buzzwords for an advertisement for a Disney product, not actual objective reasons for liking/disliking something. As stated, Universal has dark rides (not just coasters), darn good ones for that matter that are easily on par with (or better than) Disney's own.

Words like magic, pixie dust and childlike wonder are a result of the feeling you get when presented with a quality experience, but it's the objective quality that are driving these emotions. Being Disney doesn't automatically make something magical (there's a lot of crappy Disney experiences in fact). Anything with that classic Disney level of quality (regardless of where it came from) can inspire a sense of magic and wonderment.

Quality also is not exclusive to Disney in the theme park world, or even Universal for that matter (Efteling in the Netherlands has it for example).
 

sweetpee_1993

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Never been to Uni but I have always had an itch to see the Seuss area in particular. Why??? Nostalgia!!! I looooved Dr. Seuss books as a child and I really had fun reading them to my children when they were little. We'd laugh and laugh! So, nostalgia isn't limited to Disney. There's nostalgia anywhere as long as ya look for it and feel it. Right?
 

jmorri26

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I'm a Little Mermaid fan through and through. Loved the ride. Was it all I'd hoped it would be? Not necessarily. But it was fun. The Ariel animatronics are lifeless though and nothing that can't be solved by slapping a little lipstick on her. It's her dead fleshy lips. They're red in the film, make em red here.
 

Marc Gil

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I think Pooh is actually a more immersive ride with a better use of story, effects, and novelty. The Ursula character is great, but the last time we see her? It reminds me of those old puppets kids would pull the string on to make their legs and arms go up and down.
That's true. she could've looked better in the ending scene, but the rest of the ride is very well made. It has a good amount of Audio Animatronics, not only Ursula, but Ariel, Scuttle, and Sebastian, unlike Pooh which only uses limited moving figures and primitive effects: eg. Peppers Ghost, Light on String for raindrops, etc. Sure you have an EMV in Pooh, but I feel that you get a lot more value from Under the Sea. That's just my opinion. We all don't have to agree on certain things.
 

Marc Gil

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I'm a Little Mermaid fan through and through. Loved the ride. Was it all I'd hoped it would be? Not necessarily. But it was fun. The Ariel animatronics are lifeless though and nothing that can't be solved by slapping a little lipstick on her. It's her dead fleshy lips. They're red in the film, make em red here.
I did notice that now that you said it lol. They could've done a better job with her.
 

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