Why can't we critique Disney on this site?

[primetime52]

why can't we critique disney on this site?

twice i have tried to critique disney on their drinking policy especially in epcot and have gotten numerous insulting responses both on the site and in private messages

i am a disney fan, not a disney fanatic, and it would appear that a great number of people here are fantatics

has anyone else had bad experiences with other members here when they try to critique disney? or have they all left this site for good in search of other more friendly open minded sites?

Drinking in the parks can be a very polarizing issue. Maybe I'm just naive, but I personally haven't noticed many embarrassing scenes with drunkards at Epcot or any other park. Sure, I've seen people stumbling around, but they weren't causing any trouble.

I think I can offer some insight on possible reasons why posters can be attacked on this site. Note that I'm not directing these at you in particular, it's just general advice- so don't take any of this personal.

1) Get off your soap box (this isn't directed at you, it's just a generalization.) If you make a critical post about something in which you create some sort of moral standard and come off with a "holier than thou" type attitude, you will get attacked.

2) Try to stay objective. People will always respect a well formed, balanced argument. However, if your argument comes off as a one sided attack, some people might take offense to it.

3) Don't form an argument based on what you think "Walt would do." Walt is no longer with us, and we really have no idea how he would feel about drinking in the parks in these modern times we live in (it's true that alcohol wasn't served in Disneyland while he was alive, but we all know that we live in a different time now, and Walt may have been progressive enough to allow such a practice if he was still alive).

There are so many Disney fanatics on this site that if you bring the man himself into an argument, people are destined to take issue with it.

I did see your post about the tequila bar stuff and I personally saw nothing wrong it, so if people are sending you nasty PM's, that ain't right.

 

[goofyfan13]

From what I saw on the tequila bar thread, there was only one post that appeared to attack you personally. The others where just stating their disagreements with what you feel. Honestly, don't let a small few bad apples ruin this site for you. I have gotten heated with several people on here before, you just gotta take a deep breath and not let it get to you.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

Yep. Criticizing Disney and bringing up things that turn into morality issues are two different things. Try asking should you take your kids out of school to go on a Disney trip. That will start the dust flying in a hurry. :lol: There's lots of these subjects that get debated in and out, up and down, and all around but the threads never really go anywhere because there's no real solid answer...only opinion.

I think lots of people criticize Disney on these boards. Lots share the love. It's a forum with a lot of different people. Don't take the stuff personally. At the end of the day you can always just exit the page and not worry about what anyone said. I do, however, think it's bad form to send PMs to someone flaming 'em if you disagree with their opinions. That's sorta...well...childish...like if someone in grade school made you mad so you slipped 'em a note that says 'I hate you'.

 

[urbanvegan]

Can I suggest a thread move?

This really has nothing to with Walt Disney World parks, TBQH.

 

[WDWRLD]

Can I suggest a thread move?

This really has nothing to with Walt Disney World parks, TBQH.

Well now with the drift it dosent...

 

[WDWRLD]

Oops...never mind...these two threads are too simular...

 

[LoriMistress]

why can't we critique disney on this site?

twice i have tried to critique disney on their drinking policy especially in epcot and have gotten numerous insulting responses both on the site and in private messages

i am a disney fan, not a disney fanatic, and it would appear that a great number of people here are fantatics

has anyone else had bad experiences with other members here when they try to critique disney? or have they all left this site for good in search of other more friendly open minded sites?

It's not the fact that you critique Disney; it's how you critique. And whining about how your feelings are hurt because people disagree with you is kind of petty; IMHO.

 

[amykissangel]

Here's the "criticism". Marinoalulema wasn't criticizing Disney, he/she was criticizing anyone who drinks alcohol. I'd be fine if you criticized Disney, heck, I do it all the time. Your post was condescending to a very large group of people, so I'm suspecting that's why you got some less-than-nice PMs. Me? I let it slide and didn't send you one because I understand that, on the internet, sometimes people say stupid things.

It all depends on how you do it. You have to remember that your audience is full of people who hold Disney near and dear to their heart. When you critique something sacred to so many people you should try and be as non-confrontational as possible if you do not want to get attacked. I was reading your post about the Tequila bar and I must say, using phrases like "you know I am right," and "put the liquor down" is bound to get some negative responses back. If you critique, try offering your opinion instead of what you think you know is right. Remember that we are all humans and we tend to fly off the handle when someone attacks something we enjoy so much. Finally, critique away, I personally will not care, until you critique something I like.

I completely agree - when you say "You know I'm right" and "WE do not drink alcohol", it comes across to others as if you find yourself superior to them in some way. Then of course, it makes everyone who ever has a martini or beer or two for dinner feel as though you're attacking their choices, even if they've never ONCE dumped a beer on someone, drunkenly stumbled into someone, etc.

This starts the fights/flaming.

For example, when someone innocently asks about taking children out of school to go to Disney, someone ALWAYS has to jump in and announce that "THEY would NEVER let THEIR children miss school," and so it begins again. I always appreciate the people who respond by giving their opinions and ideas constructively, saying things like, "That's not something we do in our family because we feel like the kids need to be in school and we can take them during the summer. But that's just us! :~)"

Attacking Disney - hey, it's all over this website. The Dining Plan, the Wand :lookaroun, the destruction of the houses on the Backlot Tour - people will talk about it and how much they dislike it and it will mostly trail off. But when insulting people's morals, ideas and the way they live their life, it's never taken lightly. :wave:

 

[Fire1831]

Like other posters have said a critique is one thing but imposing your opinion on others and making implications about a certain group is different. I personally would not get falling down drunk at Disney but I am there with my family. When I am out with adults I may then drink in moderation. There are people who are adults who may be in this situation especially at Epcot which is IMO the most adult oriented of the Parks. Go to the parks do what You like and let everyone else do what they like.

 

[maggiegrace1]

As others have stated...this is a discussion board and you will have both positive and negative reactions..that is just the way it is.

If a post is offensive to you or attacking you..you always can report the poster or just let it go.

As far as finding another board that is more open minded or friendly..I honestly do not think you will.

WDWMagic is by far ..(IMO) the best Disney board around..and that is based on everything the site offers including the posters here.

Steve does an amazing job for us all.

Try not to let a few rude or offensive posters keep you from a great site..If I would have done that I would have left a long time ago..LOL..

Stick around..you will be pleased..

 

[shmmrname]

Some might say you just need a little thicker skin...

Some might say...

 

[Disneykidder]

I have seen some pretty insulting things. Not really personally, but have seen it. As far as PMing someone because of their beliefs, not cool. I beleive the thread the OP is talking about is the one about tequila bar coming to Mexico....a big drinking discussion.

If you are a true Disney fan, you will note, like anything else, that there are flaws with it. Everything has its flaws...sorry, nothing is perfect and Disney is no exception to this. But again, everyone has their "opinions" about what is best/worst, etc., No one should be outed because they have an opinion. We are all here because we have a commonality in Disney. For some, they are all negative and if that is the case, then they should not be here.

 

[DisneyPirate85]

WOW....Started to read this thread and it EXPLODED, I couldn't keep up with the posts moved so fast.
But anyway, It is a Sight about Disney and for the most part serves as a "support Group" for those of us who for whatever reason, Location, $$, Life in general we can't be where we are pretty happy and content!
Your right you should be able to post with out being attacked harassed or insulted, but I refer you to sentence #2!
You can always contact "Mom" or one of the other Mods and voice your complaint/concern if you are being harassed?

HELLO Mom ya out there?...:lookaroun

 

[kimmychad]

why can't we critique disney on this site?

twice i have tried to critique disney on their drinking policy especially in epcot and have gotten numerous insulting responses both on the site and in private messages

i am a disney fan, not a disney fanatic, and it would appear that a great number of people here are fantatics

has anyone else had bad experiences with other members here when they try to critique disney? or have they all left this site for good in search of other more friendly open minded sites?

obviously i cant read your pms and im very sorry for any childish one you received. but from what i've read of alot of the replies that people posted on here many people are in agreeance with you. but no matter what you post, you'll never get 100% positive replies on here. thats just not how it works

 

[jedimaster1227]

why can't we critique disney on this site?

twice i have tried to critique disney on their drinking policy especially in epcot and have gotten numerous insulting responses both on the site and in private messages

i am a disney fan, not a disney fanatic, and it would appear that a great number of people here are fantatics

has anyone else had bad experiences with other members here when they try to critique disney? or have they all left this site for good in search of other more friendly open minded sites?

My advice:

1. Fix your posting etiquette. Your lack of proper punctuation and capitalization as well as sentenced periods makes for a true eyesore in your posts.
2. Realize that when you post your information to the public domain (a la this forum), you open yourself to the possibility of response (and by posting it on a forum, ask for such response)--whether negative or positive, you willingly accept the risk.
3. Be open to others opinions and they will be open to yours. Once you have said your peace, it will have been heard, and it won't need to be shoved in anyone's faces any further (you can tell a person all they want that Disney is on the verge of announcing its newest park in Fresco, Texas, but if everyone tells you it won't happen, you let it go, or wait until proof comes out to support your claim). Thats the way a forum works.

Unless you're critiquing something like The Wand.

Didn't we decide that to be a forum-crime here? :lol:

Or L.A.L.... :lookaroun

Hey... Don't get me wrong: Tombstones really do give a *lively* feel to Epcot...

 

[Jellyfish]

Meh, Disney isn't perfect, and if people don't like you criticizing then ignore them. Thats what i tend to do That, or i forget to check on people posting after me because i often forget what i've posted :lol:

 

[mrerk]

I agree with this, but the OP did mention that he/she received "insulting responses both on the site and in private messages." I know it goes along with the whole freedom of speech thing, which you mentioned (as long as it's not harrassment, etc.), but it's sad that some people can't handle themselves in a mature manner on here and want to resort to selfish ways.

It's amazing how brave people are when they are hiding behind their monitors. Things they would never say face to face they have no problem posting.

 

[WDWFigment]

I think this is a valid topic--especially given that many Disney "bashers" (or so they are coined by the enthusiasts) receive worse treatment from those "stomping their illogical (etc...) arguments" than they "dish out" in the first place--however, this post was a poor vehicle for that topic for reasons so many others have pointed out.

And Jedimaster, I agree completely about the grammar and punctuation thing. I'm glad someone said it, because I always feel like the ... if someone posts something 'heartfelt' , and the only 'advice' I offer is to "fix the way you type."

 

[kimmychad]

My advice:

1. Fix your posting etiquette. Your lack of proper punctuation and capitalization as well as sentenced periods makes for a true eyesore in your posts.
2. Realize that when you post your information to the public domain (a la this forum), you open yourself to the possibility of response (and by posting it on a forum, ask for such response)--whether negative or positive, you willingly accept the risk.
3. Be open to others opinions and they will be open to yours. Once you have said your peace, it will have been heard, and it won't need to be shoved in anyone's faces any further (you can tell a person all they want that Disney is on the verge of announcing its newest park in Fresco, Texas, but if everyone tells you it won't happen, you let it go, or wait until proof comes out to support your claim). Thats the way a forum works.



Didn't we decide that to be a forum-crime here? :lol:



Hey... Don't get me wrong: Tombstones really do give a *lively* feel to Epcot...

no thats sse

 

[echoreyn]

It's amazing how brave people are when they are hiding behind their monitors. Things they would never say face to face they have no problem posting.

That's so true. Most of us have probably said things on the internet we would never say in person merely because we can't see the person we are hurting. I know I've typed a few things in my past that I should have thought about before posting.
I think the main issue is that we don't have the ability to see everyone's facial expressions and hear their tones of voice when we read their posts. We don't know whether people are truly just teasing or being intentionally cruel. We also don't have the ability to explain ourselves and our intentions as well over the internet as we would if we were standing next to the people we are writing to and speaking to them instead.