Where in the World Isn't Bob Saget?

Songbird76

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Apparently, it's very important for children to develop fine motor skills. I just read the article (link below) and as @PUSH was sharing, it's still considered essential for children to start learning these, when they're young.

(Side note here: I think you had a good point about your grandkid excelling in computer tablet skills, etc. That's also very important in today's and tomorrow's world.)

Anyway, here's the link, and I found it interesting. :)

My son is in Physical Therapy to work on motor skills. His handwriting is illegible....his PT just told me to have his teacher switch him to printing instead of cursive. DS is upset because he never learned to print, so now he has to learn to write all over...but at least we'll be able to read it. His PT was the one who taught him to ride a bike...my FIL had been trying to teach him and was getting so frustrated that he just couldn't do it. The PT worked with him once and told me "Tell opa it's not his fault...it's the lack of motor skills and coordination." DS couldn't steer, balance, and pedal all at the same time. Now he can ride his bike, but starting and breaking are still an issue years later. He can't tie his shoes....he can't cut his food....well, he CAN, it just takes a REALLY long time and it doesn't look very nice. We still make him do it, but he hates it because he's not good at it. Apparently it's all part of his Autism. It's why he always hated doing crafts, coloring, cutting, etc. I think that's part of why he loves the computer and the Nintendo Switch so much. It doesn't require him to do things that are really hard for him.
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
I think they thought I was just enjoying the medical care and they had no clue what was happening.

:joyfull:

The doctor witnessed it that time and his reaction was, and I quote, "Hmmm, interesting". That was it. It was never addressed again. Lesson learned.... When doctors don't know what the problem is they tend to not bring it up again.

:hilarious: Out of sight, out of mind. (I think some of us have also "been there" at some point. 🤦 ) Quite a few symptoms people have, don't always get resolved. Physicians tend to rule out all the worst stuff first, and then work backwards down the line -- sometimes ending up with an inconclusive diagnosis, or none at all. (P.S.: You do still get billed for services, diagnosis or not. :p )
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
My son is in Physical Therapy to work on motor skills. His handwriting is illegible....his PT just told me to have his teacher switch him to printing instead of cursive. DS is upset because he never learned to print, so now he has to learn to write all over...but at least we'll be able to read it. His PT was the one who taught him to ride a bike...my FIL had been trying to teach him and was getting so frustrated that he just couldn't do it. The PT worked with him once and told me "Tell opa it's not his fault...it's the lack of motor skills and coordination." DS couldn't steer, balance, and pedal all at the same time. Now he can ride his bike, but starting and breaking are still an issue years later. He can't tie his shoes....he can't cut his food....well, he CAN, it just takes a REALLY long time and it doesn't look very nice. We still make him do it, but he hates it because he's not good at it. Apparently it's all part of his Autism. It's why he always hated doing crafts, coloring, cutting, etc. I think that's part of why he loves the computer and the Nintendo Switch so much. It doesn't require him to do things that are really hard for him.

Happy to hear that he has such a loving and supportive family around him, who are patient and help him to succeed. You also have a good PT in his corner as well. Even though he has his ongoing challenges with Autism, it does sound like he's made progress in some areas. I'm sure each accomplishment (small or large) is embraced by all.
 

Songbird76

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And while we're on the topic of things lacking in education... we need to focus so much more on social emotional learning! It's as important, and IMO more important than academics in early childhood!
Do they teach that in school there? They do here, more so at my son's special education school than where my daughter went, but they did some. It didn't always have the desired results, which is why we ended up switching DS to special education because he was being bullied so badly in the regular school. The idea with the training was really good...they used baseball caps in different colors. White is the ideal....that's the color you want to be. Red is like...class clown, getting people to laugh; yellow is emotional; black is taking control, being a leader, dominant. None of the colors are bad in and of themselves, and everyone has a bit of each of the colors, but you want to be wearing the white hat and just have a bit of each of those colors represented. The problem is when one of the colors takes over....red becomes making fun at other people's expense and getting others to co along with you. Yellow becomes whining/crying because you don't get your way. Black becomes being bossy and demanding.

So the idea was that, if someone was acting inappropriately, another kid could just ask them " What color hat are you wearing?" Then the person was supposed to think about their behavior and they could talk things out, etc. And they learned to talk to each other, practice what they could say if someone was insulting them, or said something rude. You tell them to stop, I don't like it when you say bla bla bla. And then there was a whole protocol for if someone was picking on you. You were supposed to tell them 3 times to stop, and if they didn't, you were supposed to find a friend to stand up with you....strength in numbers, and then you walk away if that doesn't work, and if the person follows you THEN you go to the teacher. The teacher talks to the student, they are supposed to have a conversation with you. You tell them what you didn't like and why, and the kid says "Oh, I'm sorry....I was just joking. I didn't realize that hurt your feelings. I won't do that again." Problem solved.

Good in theory, but DS's issue with Autism is that he can't control his emotions. When something is confusing, he doesn't think to ask for help, he just bursts into tears. So the teacher says "get out your math books and turn to page 26" and he's freaking out because he's still stuck on finding his math book in his desk and has forgotten which page he was supposed to turn to once he finds it. So instead of looking at the page of the kid sitting next to him, or raising his hand to ask "Which page?" he is panicking because he doesn't have the math book out. So he just starts crying. The other kids liked to take advantage of that and do things to make him cry...like.....it's time to go home....he needs his coat....let's form a line and dance in front of the coat rack so he can't get to his coat. Or after PE, snap him with towels, taunting him to cry like a baby. Hide his gym bag. And because he's "wearing the yellow hat", it's HIS fault, because if he wouldn't react, those other kids wouldn't have any reason to do this to him. His crying overshadowed what the other kids were doing, the teachers didn't know what to do beyond telling DS to stop crying. It just gave the other kids an excuse to torture him, because he was wearing the yellow hat, and the whole program is supposed to be about kids solving problems amonst themselves and correcting each other's behavior. But instead of wearing the "white hat" and asking DS "What can I do to help you so that you can stop crying?" they tormented him to make it worse.

Now, at his special education school, they use smaller groups and they have different themes. One week they talked about their favorite animal and what characteristics that animal has. Then they had to describe their own characteristics and find an animal that has those same characteristics, and make a clay figure of that animal. Last week, their theme was "saying goodbye" and they had to think of different situations where you say goodbye, which are positive, which are negative, and they played pictionary with it. So like...saying goodbye because you were released from the hospital is a good thing...but your pet rabbit dying is a bad thing.

Anyway, his school does this all the way up through high school, but DD is in her first year of high school in a regular school and I don't think they really do much with social skills anymore...maybe an assembly or something, but not a weekly class like DS gets.
 

Songbird76

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Happy to hear that he has such a loving and supportive family around him, who are patient and help him to succeed. You also have a good PT in his corner as well. Even though he has his ongoing challenges with Autism, it does sound like he's made progress in some areas. I'm sure each accomplishment (small or large) is embraced by all.
Yes, we're so blessed here! We've got a great PT, his teachers at school are amazing, we've got a great trainer for Autimaat (autism resource that teaches us how to parent him)...we're doing really well now.
 

PUSH

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Original Poster
Do they teach that in school there? They do here, more so at my son's special education school than where my daughter went, but they did some. It didn't always have the desired results, which is why we ended up switching DS to special education because he was being bullied so badly in the regular school. The idea with the training was really good...they used baseball caps in different colors. White is the ideal....that's the color you want to be. Red is like...class clown, getting people to laugh; yellow is emotional; black is taking control, being a leader, dominant. None of the colors are bad in and of themselves, and everyone has a bit of each of the colors, but you want to be wearing the white hat and just have a bit of each of those colors represented. The problem is when one of the colors takes over....red becomes making fun at other people's expense and getting others to co along with you. Yellow becomes whining/crying because you don't get your way. Black becomes being bossy and demanding.

So the idea was that, if someone was acting inappropriately, another kid could just ask them " What color hat are you wearing?" Then the person was supposed to think about their behavior and they could talk things out, etc. And they learned to talk to each other, practice what they could say if someone was insulting them, or said something rude. You tell them to stop, I don't like it when you say bla bla bla. And then there was a whole protocol for if someone was picking on you. You were supposed to tell them 3 times to stop, and if they didn't, you were supposed to find a friend to stand up with you....strength in numbers, and then you walk away if that doesn't work, and if the person follows you THEN you go to the teacher. The teacher talks to the student, they are supposed to have a conversation with you. You tell them what you didn't like and why, and the kid says "Oh, I'm sorry....I was just joking. I didn't realize that hurt your feelings. I won't do that again." Problem solved.

Good in theory, but DS's issue with Autism is that he can't control his emotions. When something is confusing, he doesn't think to ask for help, he just bursts into tears. So the teacher says "get out your math books and turn to page 26" and he's freaking out because he's still stuck on finding his math book in his desk and has forgotten which page he was supposed to turn to once he finds it. So instead of looking at the page of the kid sitting next to him, or raising his hand to ask "Which page?" he is panicking because he doesn't have the math book out. So he just starts crying. The other kids liked to take advantage of that and do things to make him cry...like.....it's time to go home....he needs his coat....let's form a line and dance in front of the coat rack so he can't get to his coat. Or after PE, snap him with towels, taunting him to cry like a baby. Hide his gym bag. And because he's "wearing the yellow hat", it's HIS fault, because if he wouldn't react, those other kids wouldn't have any reason to do this to him. His crying overshadowed what the other kids were doing, the teachers didn't know what to do beyond telling DS to stop crying. It just gave the other kids an excuse to torture him, because he was wearing the yellow hat, and the whole program is supposed to be about kids solving problems amonst themselves and correcting each other's behavior. But instead of wearing the "white hat" and asking DS "What can I do to help you so that you can stop crying?" they tormented him to make it worse.

Now, at his special education school, they use smaller groups and they have different themes. One week they talked about their favorite animal and what characteristics that animal has. Then they had to describe their own characteristics and find an animal that has those same characteristics, and make a clay figure of that animal. Last week, their theme was "saying goodbye" and they had to think of different situations where you say goodbye, which are positive, which are negative, and they played pictionary with it. So like...saying goodbye because you were released from the hospital is a good thing...but your pet rabbit dying is a bad thing.

Anyway, his school does this all the way up through high school, but DD is in her first year of high school in a regular school and I don't think they really do much with social skills anymore...maybe an assembly or something, but not a weekly class like DS gets.
We teach a social emotional curriculum called SecondStep... it's pretty popular in this part of the country. All grades through 5th grade have their own lessons. We teach things like empathy, problem solving, skills for leaning, and fair ways to play. The problem is we rush through it so that we don't miss our academics. Because we don't test social emotional learning, we only test academics. We don't give the kids time to practice the skills they learned in SecondStep, which is why things like unstructured play time are so important, especially in younger grades. Because kids can't learn these skills if they don't get time to practice them. And most kids don't get the type of exposure to these skills at home, at least not to the extent a school environment provides.

We also use the Zones of Regulation. There's four zones: green (happy, ready to learn), blue (sad, sick, tired), yellow (silly, frustrated, wound up), red (angry, mad). I have four cups in each of the colors and all the students have their names on a popsicle stick. They can put their name in the zone they are in. We also have several strategies and tools to get ourselves back into the green zone (several breathing techniques, taking a walk, squeezing our fists together, rubbing our legs, and many more).
 

NYwdwfan

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We teach a social emotional curriculum called SecondStep... it's pretty popular in this part of the country. All grades through 5th grade have their own lessons. We teach things like empathy, problem solving, skills for leaning, and fair ways to play. The problem is we rush through it so that we don't miss our academics. Because we don't test social emotional learning, we only test academics. We don't give the kids time to practice the skills they learned in SecondStep, which is why things like unstructured play time are so important, especially in younger grades. Because kids can't learn these skills if they don't get time to practice them. And most kids don't get the type of exposure to these skills at home, at least not to the extent a school environment provides.

We also use the Zones of Regulation. There's four zones: green (happy, ready to learn), blue (sad, sick, tired), yellow (silly, frustrated, wound up), red (angry, mad). I have four cups in each of the colors and all the students have their names on a popsicle stick. They can put their name in the zone they are in. We also have several strategies and tools to get ourselves back into the green zone (several breathing techniques, taking a walk, squeezing our fists together, rubbing our legs, and many more).
My son is in Physical Therapy to work on motor skills. His handwriting is illegible....his PT just told me to have his teacher switch him to printing instead of cursive. DS is upset because he never learned to print, so now he has to learn to write all over...but at least we'll be able to read it. His PT was the one who taught him to ride a bike...my FIL had been trying to teach him and was getting so frustrated that he just couldn't do it. The PT worked with him once and told me "Tell opa it's not his fault...it's the lack of motor skills and coordination." DS couldn't steer, balance, and pedal all at the same time. Now he can ride his bike, but starting and breaking are still an issue years later. He can't tie his shoes....he can't cut his food....well, he CAN, it just takes a REALLY long time and it doesn't look very nice. We still make him do it, but he hates it because he's not good at it. Apparently it's all part of his Autism. It's why he always hated doing crafts, coloring, cutting, etc. I think that's part of why he loves the computer and the Nintendo Switch so much. It doesn't require him to do things that are really hard for him.
My stick would live in the blue cup for being tired.

One of the hardest things for a kid to learn is that when things are hard you can get better by practicing. The frustration will lessen but it takes time. It’s great you have teams there to help him through.
 

Songbird76

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Now that the parade has ended, all of the
Santas and Mrs. Clauses are mingling in downtown, going to lunch, etc.

View attachment 357359

Though I did notice something truly disturbing, and worthy of placing a few of the Santas on the naughty list.
These fellows on the right mingling in front of Dunkin' Donuts, when just across the street on the left, there's a... You see it. You know you do.
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@JenniferS is not going to be pleased. :mad:
Ihop?
 

Nemo14

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Now that the parade has ended, all of the
Santas and Mrs. Clauses are mingling in downtown, going to lunch, etc.

View attachment 357359

Though I did notice something truly disturbing, and worthy of placing a few of the Santas on the naughty list.
These fellows on the right mingling in front of Dunkin' Donuts, when just across the street on the left, there's a... You see it. You know you do.
View attachment 357358

@JenniferS is not going to be pleased. :mad:


If only they had used that name change that I suggested...

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JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Now that the parade has ended, all of the
Santas and Mrs. Clauses are mingling in downtown, going to lunch, etc.

View attachment 357359

Though I did notice something truly disturbing, and worthy of placing a few of the Santas on the naughty list.
These fellows on the right mingling in front of Dunkin' Donuts, when just across the street on the left, there's a... You see it. You know you do.
View attachment 357358

@JenniferS is not going to be pleased. :mad:
We drove down this road, turning right at that intersection, looking for a decent parking spot.

We ended up heading back up the hill, forcing me to walk 8 or more blocks ... on what turned out to be a broken leg. Good thing I got a milkshake out of it. 😉
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
Parade just ended. Every two years in March for a few days, my town hosts a large Santa Reunion convention. Hundreds of Santas and Mrs. Clauses from all over the country get together for the event. The highlight is when they all parade down the Parkway.

If I lived there, I'd definitely go to see this parade - love it! :joyfull:

Now that the parade has ended, all of the
Santas and Mrs. Clauses are mingling in downtown, going to lunch, etc.

So nice to see Santa and Mrs. Claus sitting at an outdoor bistro table, sipping Starbucks, and dipping pita bread into hummus.. All these years I was afraid all they ate were Christmas cookies, and drank hot chocolate. Good to know that they're more like the rest of us, than I had imagined. ;)
 

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