Where in the World is Bob Saget?

[StarWarsGirl]

Oh...hahaha
Well, you'll find out as you work you way down the thread!

Oh, I saw the video. The sad part is it's true. Even in high school I saw this type of stupidity. For example, in health this year, the one class that I was in that was not honors or AP, I had a girl write, "B/C its better 4 u." On her drill paper (which I was copying from a missed drill). Which is graded. She even did it on a group assignment. I took it away, crossed it out, wrote the whole thing, and insisted that I write the papers from now on. All I got was a shrug and a "Whatever." Then at the end of this year we were getting ready to put the last edition of the newspaper out. As usual, my editor-in-chief handed me an article to edit. Not unusual; I'd been on the staff for two years and was used to getting stuck in that job. The piece was absolutely terrible. I had to re-write the entire thing, which included redoing interviews and sending emails when I already had several pieces and an assignment for the class I was trying to get done. The girl only wrote two copies which were a month in between one another (you save all copies), had three months to do it, time during the school day to do it, and it was still awful. It was a profile piece on one of the valedictorians who will attend Harvard this fall, and she used the girl's first name all the way through the piece. You use the person's last name. That, and she called a teacher Mr. Teacher when we don't do that. It was the end on the year; she should have known better by that point. That and it was subjective, not objective the entire way through, she didn't check her facts, and the most annoying, she wrote, "Valedictorian is going to Harvard (yes HARVARD!)." I was so frustrated. If they go into the workplace with that kind of nonsense, I have no idea how they expect to hold down a job. Ugh. My generation.

 

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That video made me laugh. It reminds me of the laziness and carelessness of "my" people. I remember in my senior year of high school, there was a mistake in the yearbook (made by a kid who got a girl pregnant at 16). On one of the activity pages the name of one student read "BLAH BLAH." They do this kind of stuff when they don't know how to spell a name, but I don't understand how they don't see that in big, capital letters when going back to fix it.

Some people!

 

[englanddg]

Oh, I saw the video. The sad part is it's true. Even in high school I saw this type of stupidity. For example, in health this year, the one class that I was in that was not honors or AP, I had a girl write, "B/C its better 4 u." On her drill paper (which I was copying from a missed drill). Which is graded. She even did it on a group assignment. I took it away, crossed it out, wrote the whole thing, and insisted that I write the papers from now on. All I got was a shrug and a "Whatever." Then at the end of this year we were getting ready to put the last edition of the newspaper out. As usual, my editor-in-chief handed me an article to edit. Not unusual; I'd been on the staff for two years and was used to getting stuck in that job. The piece was absolutely terrible. I had to re-write the entire thing, which included redoing interviews and sending emails when I already had several pieces and an assignment for the class I was trying to get done. The girl only wrote two copies which were a month in between one another (you save all copies), had three months to do it, time during the school day to do it, and it was still awful. It was a profile piece on one of the valedictorians who will attend Harvard this fall, and she used the girl's first name all the way through the piece. You use the person's last name. That, and she called a teacher Mr. Teacher when we don't do that. It was the end on the year; she should have known better by that point. That and it was subjective, not objective the entire way through, she didn't check her facts, and the most annoying, she wrote, "Valedictorian is going to Harvard (yes HARVARD!)." I was so frustrated. If they go into the workplace with that kind of nonsense, I have no idea how they expect to hold down a job. Ugh. My generation.

Not to be snarky, but they don't. They've been pumped full of a mindset that if they get "enough education" by bankrupting their parents and/or getting federal grants loans...the certificate is enough.

Quality of product, pride, and self-worth mean nothing. Mission, goals, ideas, none of that matters. All that matters is that you "graduate college"...that's the "key to success".

It's backward thinking to me. Mind you, I'm not against a college education, and certainly think it is important and should be pursued FOR SOME. But, there is no reason why an able bodied person at age 18 should need to go to a four year university to get a degree in "restaurant and hospitality management"...for the same four years, they could actually WORK in a restaurant or a hotel, and learn far more about the ins and outs of the business that they will digging themselves into tens of thousands of debt. And upon graduation? Oh...they are offered the same front desk position they would have been offered at age 18.

<facepalms>

That's just one example.

The mantra being taught in schools, even more now I suspect, as it was even prevalent when I graduated in the mid-90s is "Ok, you just graduated high school, but only the "good jobs" are available if you go to college, and if you graduate college, then you'll get a dream job making tons of money and be able to buy all the nice things you want."

The "education" profit complex...makes me sick...

 

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Not to be snarky, but they don't. They've been pumped full of a mindset that if they get "enough education" by bankrupting their parents and/or getting federal grants loans...the certificate is enough.

Quality of product, pride, and self-worth mean nothing. Mission, goals, ideas, none of that matters. All that matters is that you "graduate college"...that's the "key to success".

It's backward thinking to me. Mind you, I'm not against a college education, and certainly think it is important and should be pursued FOR SOME. But, there is no reason why an able bodied person at age 18 should need to go to a four year university to get a degree in "restaurant and hospitality management"...for the same four years, they could actually WORK in a restaurant or a hotel, and learn far more about the ins and outs of the business that they will digging themselves into tens of thousands of debt. And upon graduation? Oh...they are offered the same front desk position they would have been offered at age 18.

<facepalms>

That's just one example.

The mantra being taught in schools, even more now I suspect, as it was even prevalent when I graduated in the mid-90s is "Ok, you just graduated high school, but only the "good jobs" are available if you go to college, and if you graduate college, then you'll get a dream job making tons of money and be able to buy all the nice things you want."

The "education" profit complex...makes me sick...

It's kind of insane what we're being taught in schools. I remember back in like the 6th grade, we had a guidance counselor come in once every couple months to help us "plan our futures." They were telling us that it was the time to start deciding what we wanted to do after high school. Then in 8th(ish) grade they had us doing all of these career tests online to see what we'd be good at and what we want to do. The two things never matched up either.

I understand schooling is important, but it's not always going to get you big money in the long run. In my opinion, go with what you want to do and what that job requires. If you don't have to go to school, then don't. There's no point in getting into debt for something you could get for "free."

Of course there are definitely jobs that should require a college degree.

That kind of turned into a rant, sorry!

 

[englanddg]

It's kind of insane what we're being taught in schools. I remember back in like the 6th grade, we had a guidance counselor come in once every couple months to help us "plan our futures." They were telling us that it was the time to start deciding what we wanted to do after high school. Then in 8th(ish) grade they had us doing all of these career tests online to see what we'd be good at and what we want to do. The two things never matched up either.

I understand schooling is important, but it's not always going to get you big money in the long run. In my opinion, go with what you want to do and what that job requires. If you don't have to go to school, then don't. There's no point in getting into debt for something you could get for "free."

Of course there are definitely jobs that should require a college degree.

That kind of turned into a rant, sorry!

No, one I get. It's a touchy subject...as it's always assumed that people who bring it up are against "higher" education.

That is not the case. It's just that those graduating out of college now, for the most part, lack any real skills and demand too much compensation.

"Full time student" to me, is a curse word...unless you are so amazingly intelligent that you have a skillset worth that investment, or you plan to graduate early, then you really should get out there and learn some basic adult life skills.

 

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I typically look at it from a financial standpoint. Sometimes there's just no need to spend that much to get the same.

I won't use myself as an example because I've never had an "adult" job. But I know of several people who haven't gone to a college or university and are making more than my mom who will be completing her doctorate in a year.

Just my viewpoint, but I don't want to get too into it for the sake of this thread again.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

It's kind of insane what we're being taught in schools. I remember back in like the 6th grade, we had a guidance counselor come in once every couple months to help us "plan our futures." They were telling us that it was the time to start deciding what we wanted to do after high school. Then in 8th(ish) grade they had us doing all of these career tests online to see what we'd be good at and what we want to do. The two things never matched up either.

I understand schooling is important, but it's not always going to get you big money in the long run. In my opinion, go with what you want to do and what that job requires. If you don't have to go to school, then don't. There's no point in getting into debt for something you could get for "free."

Of course there are definitely jobs that should require a college degree.

That kind of turned into a rant, sorry!

It's ridiculous that they give you those tests so young. I saved one of them (it was paper and I'm a pack rat). The only results that came out the same were that I definitely do not ever want to do anything with the medical profession. But even so I say the results are screwy, except about not wanting to be practicing medicine because, well, eww. My stomach and I can't handle it.

 

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It's ridiculous that they give you those tests so young. I saved one of them (it was paper and I'm a pack rat). The only results that came out the same were that I definitely do not ever want to do anything with the medical profession. But even so I say the results are screwy, except about not wanting to be practicing medicine because, well, eww. My stomach and I can't handle it.

I remember it told me that I wanted to be a belly dancer...

 

[StarWarsGirl]

No, one I get. It's a touchy subject...as it's always assumed that people who bring it up are against "higher" education.

That is not the case. It's just that those graduating out of college now, for the most part, lack any real skills and demand too much compensation.

"Full time student" to me, is a curse word...unless you are so amazingly intelligent that you have a skillset worth that investment, or you plan to graduate early, then you really should get out there and learn some basic adult life skills.

I think it would be better if more schools forced you to work while in school. Mine requires that you do a certain number of internships while there and you get graded on them. It's very career-oriented, like "Hey, you're here to get a job and make something of yourself." Unfortunately my small private college is one of the few that does this. My parents and I got the feeling when visiting colleges that they're in this little "bubble". I don't mind some rift raft school spirit crap as long as it's not all rift raft school spirit crap and there is actual learning and preparation for life in general. I took a survey at the end of the year for my school. I did not have very nice things to say.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I remember it told me that I wanted to be a belly dancer...

YES! I want pictures! Lol.

 

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YES! I want pictures! Lol.

I'm sad to announce that I did not pursue this "desire."

 

[Gabe1]

No, one I get. It's a touchy subject...as it's always assumed that people who bring it up are against "higher" education.

That is not the case. It's just that those graduating out of college now, for the most part, lack any real skills and demand too much compensation.

"Full time student" to me, is a curse word...unless you are so amazingly intelligent that you have a skillset worth that investment, or you plan to graduate early, then you really should get out there and learn some basic adult life skills.

I have had one full time student graduate and one that will in another semester. #1 grad wouldn't have even qualified for the job he has without the sheepskin. #2 will come out even more prepared. But neither of my kids majored in basketweaving so with the Grace of God the sheepskin that nobody can ever take away from them can't hurt their future. Now what does hurt is $32,000 a year without expenses added in. Oy. Fewer Disney trips this past decade.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I'm sad to announce that I did not pursue this "desire."

Darn

 

[englanddg]

I think it would be better if more schools forced you to work while in school. Mine requires that you do a certain number of internships while there and you get graded on them. It's very career-oriented, like "Hey, you're here to get a job and make something of yourself." Unfortunately my small private college is one of the few that does this. My parents and I got the feeling when visiting colleges that they're in this little "bubble". I don't mind some rift raft school spirit crap as long as it's not all rift raft school spirit crap and there is actual learning and preparation for life in general. I took a survey at the end of the year for my school. I did not have very nice things to say.

"Higher education" is certainly important, but we've come to a level in our society where we think that jobs that don't require "higher education" do...

Why do you think outsourcing was so popular. It was a scam...a very bad, and as far as the US economy destructive, scam...

I could rant about this all night, I choose not to.

I wish you the best, you'll do great, I suspect! Just don't forget yourself and what you want out of life. That's the only advice I can give you.

 

[englanddg]

I'm sad to announce that I did not pursue this "desire."

Understandable. Trash cans don't have the most mobile hips.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I have had one full time student graduate and one that will in another semester. #1 grad wouldn't have even qualified for the job he has without the sheepskin. #2 will come out even more prepared. But neither of my kids majored in basketweaving so with the Grace of God the sheepskin that nobody can ever take away from them can't hurt their future. Now what does hurt is $32,000 a year without expenses added in. Oy. Fewer Disney trips this past decade.

Ugh. So glad my tuition with scholarships is much less and that my brother is 7 grades behind me...

 

[StarWarsGirl]

"Higher education" is certainly important, but we've come to a level in our society where we think that jobs that don't require "higher education" do...

Why do you think outsourcing was so popular. It was a scam...a very bad, and as far as the US economy destructive, scam...

I could rant about this all night, I choose not to.

I wish you the best, you'll do great, I suspect! Just don't forget yourself and what you want out of life. That's the only advice I can give you.

Thanks Good advice.

 

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Understandable. Trash cans don't have the most mobile hips.

I'm no Shakira. And my hips do, indeed, lie.

 

[englanddg]

I have had one full time student graduate and one that will in another semester. #1 grad wouldn't have even qualified for the job he has without the sheepskin. #2 will come out even more prepared. But neither of my kids majored in basketweaving so with the Grace of God the sheepskin that nobody can ever take away from them can't hurt their future. Now what does hurt is $32,000 a year without expenses added in. Oy. Fewer Disney trips this past decade.

It's amusing how the world works. Note, I didn't say something silly, like basketweaving, I spoke of a very active major, Restaurant and Hospitality management. Which IS a VERY popular degree.

Though, now I am in IT, and yes, I am that tough interview (after being burned many times) who will ask them to actually produce something in the interview, rather than telling me all about all the things they learned.

But, with a sheepskin (though it's not printed on sheepskin anymore) they do have the eternal right to 10 years from now say they are experts at something, even if the state of the science has changed. And if they were not majoring in some science, they can play it out even more. My grandfather has had 4 heart attacks, but because he has 3 doctorates, colleges still employ him to work less than 10 hours a week...why? They need his degrees for accreditation.

Not because he's wise, or because he's a great teacher. Nope...they need his certificates.

So, don't think I discount the value of them.

The Government will hire them, left and right, as will educational institutions, for inflated wages...

So, as I said from the get go, I don't object to anyone, EVER, getting a college education. And kudos to them for graduating! I just don't think it is a guarantee of fiscal or even personal success.

 

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Can we end the college talk? I don't know exactly where this is headed, and I don't really want to find out. No disrespect to anyone, I'd just prefer to keep this thread as noncontroversial as possible.