What would you change about the new Fantasyland?

imagineer boy

imagineer boy

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Figment632 said:
1. I would cut Pixie Hollow down to the size it is in DL.
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I'd like to see somthing like the DL pixie hollow go where Belle's Story time is now. I think it would fit in there, though I'd drop the Pixie theme and just name it "Enchanted Grove" or somthing like that.

BTW, am I the only one who's not a big fan of the villain land idea? The problem is that so many of the villains come from different places and time periods (mideval times, victorian, pirates, imaginary lands, etc) it would just cause a huge cluster f*** of architecture and styles that I honestly don't think it would work. :shrug:
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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The only thing I would change about the expansion part is make the Disney Fairy section just a general Peter Pan area. That way you could have the Fairy meet and greet while having the rest of it appeal to a broader range of people. And possibly putting Captain Hook's ship and Skull Rock in there like DLP has.

Outside of the expansion area I'd update Peter Pan and redo the roof of the Mad Tea Party and the surrounding area and make a nice, little interactive Alice and Wonderland section.

I'd love Villain stuff too people, but I wouldn't really take away what we're getting. We could always ditch the Speedway if we need more space :drevil: (But you know how much I want Discovery Bay to go there).
 
SirGoofy

SirGoofy

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imagineer boy said:
BTW, am I the only one who's not a big fan of the villain land idea? The problem is that so many of the villains come from different places and time periods (mideval times, victorian, pirates, imaginary lands, etc) it would just cause a huge cluster f*** of architecture and styles that I honestly don't think it would work. :shrug:
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I believe the plan was to just make it a twisted version of Fland. Basically castle architecture, but evil.:drevil:
 
lebeau

lebeau

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imagineer boy said:
BTW, am I the only one who's not a big fan of the villain land idea? The problem is that so many of the villains come from different places and time periods (mideval times, victorian, pirates, imaginary lands, etc) it would just cause a huge cluster f*** of architecture and styles that I honestly don't think it would work. :shrug:
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Personally, I think the popularity of the villains is vastly over-rated. Most kids (Disney's bread and butter) hate them. Even the thought that the villains might be lurking around a corner is a source of anxiety for some youngsters.

The Disney Villains brand wasn't even popular enough to support a character breakfast. I don't see it supporting a land (or a 5th gate as some people would like.)

Yeah, I know they have a loyal following on the forums. But giving the villains any more presence than they already have just means an increase in complaints from parents of little kids.

Any curmudgeons complaining about fairies and princesses will go unnoticed in the swarm of happy little girls buying tiaras, dresses, fairie wings and magic wands.
 
SirGoofy

SirGoofy

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lebeau said:
Any curmudgeons complaining about fairies and princesses will go unnoticed in the swarm of happy little girls buying tiaras, dresses, fairie wings and magic wands.
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I really disagree. You aim for one demographic, and your dead. Spending half a billion on one demo, you're gonna alienate a lot of people.
 
lebeau

lebeau

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SirGoofy said:
I really disagree. You aim for one demographic, and your dead. Spending half a billion on one demo, you're gonna alienate a lot of people.
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I would agree with you except that this particular demographic is huge, spends a lot of money and has been under-serviced in the parks historically.

And it's not like little boys won't be admitted to the FL expansion. Plenty of them will enjoy it just like lots of little girls enjoy Pirates of the Caribbean. I've seen plenty of little boys who loved getting attention from a pretty princess.

This isn't half as exclusive as people seem to think it is. It's not like they are building High School Musical land.
 
_Scar

_Scar

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SirGoofy said:
I really disagree. You aim for one demographic, and your dead. Spending half a billion on one demo, you're gonna alienate a lot of people.
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It's just this expansion focusing on girls in particular. The rest of the park is mainly targetting men of all ages.
 
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CaptainMichael

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_Scar said:
It's just this expansion focusing on girls in particular. The rest of the park is mainly targetting men of all ages.
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Debatable.

Once upon a time, there were no Meet and Greets, and guests had just as much fun if not more stumbling upon characters being natural. Then some exec said, "hey, we can make people queue up for foamheads and call it an attraction, and all we have to do is pay for labor."

Fantasyland East is the biggest perversion of that idea. Sure BBB makes money at DTD and MK...why don't we just add one to every land?

In Disneyland, they build a new park high in shops and low in attractions and it failed, but hey, those surveys showed that guests loved to shop. Attractions are what get people to go through the expense of flying/driving to Orlando. Foamheads are just part of the experience.
 
EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

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SirGoofy said:
I really disagree. You aim for one demographic, and your dead. Spending half a billion on one demo, you're gonna alienate a lot of people.
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Gee, kinda like making a whole pavilion for one character. :lookaroun

CaptainMichael said:
Debatable.

Once upon a time, there were no Meet and Greets, and guests had just as much fun if not more stumbling upon characters being natural. Then some exec said, "hey, we can make people queue up for foamheads and call it an attraction, and all we have to do is pay for labor."

Fantasyland East is the biggest perversion of that idea. Sure BBB makes money at DTD and MK...why don't we just add one to every land?

In Disneyland, they build a new park high in shops and low in attractions and it failed, but hey, those surveys showed that guests loved to shop. Attractions are what get people to go through the expense of flying/driving to Orlando. Foamheads are just part of the experience.
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Perfect post. :sohappy:
 
_Scar

_Scar

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CaptainMichael said:
Debatable.

Once upon a time, there were no Meet and Greets, and guests had just as much fun if not more stumbling upon characters being natural. Then some exec said, "hey, we can make people queue up for foamheads and call it an attraction, and all we have to do is pay for labor."

Fantasyland East is the biggest perversion of that idea. Sure BBB makes money at DTD and MK...why don't we just add one to every land?

In Disneyland, they build a new park high in shops and low in attractions and it failed, but hey, those surveys showed that guests loved to shop. Attractions are what get people to go through the expense of flying/driving to Orlando. Foamheads are just part of the experience.
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They still have wandering characters, just more in the evening hours. Some people love waiting in line and getting a definite chance of meeting their favorite princess and not hoping for the off chance of stumbling on her wandering through Fantasyland. And maybe the reason why it's still popular in Anaheim is because most DL-goers are AP holders who live within a half an hour from DL and can go bascially anytime they want to. WDW-goers are tourists and are in WDW for certain periods of time. And still, if you want to stumble upon characters then wait until after 9 pm when FLand is slowly emptying and the characters come out.
 
SirGoofy

SirGoofy

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lebeau said:
I would agree with you except that this particular demographic is huge, spends a lot of money and has been under-serviced in the parks historically.

And it's not like little boys won't be admitted to the FL expansion. Plenty of them will enjoy it just like lots of little girls enjoy Pirates of the Caribbean. I've seen plenty of little boys who loved getting attention from a pretty princess.

This isn't half as exclusive as people seem to think it is. It's not like they are building High School Musical land.
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But here's the problem: You will not be bringing new people in with this expansion. You're going to stay with your same old same old. Besides, the Princess merchandise can't be sold at any higher volumes than it already is. There's just no way they're going to make much more than they are now on it. Besides, not every family has girls. You aren't going to have little boys begging their parents to go to Disney to color cards for Aurora.

Now, if they build something that appeals to all demographics, say keep the Little Mermaid ride and Be Our Guest Restaurant, and pair it with a thrill ride in Adventureland or Tomorrowland(ala what their doing in DCA), and you've got something that you can market to the entire family. Something for the boys and older people in the family, and the girls still get their princesses. Seriously makes the most sense.

CaptainMichael said:
Debatable.

Once upon a time, there were no Meet and Greets, and guests had just as much fun if not more stumbling upon characters being natural. Then some exec said, "hey, we can make people queue up for foamheads and call it an attraction, and all we have to do is pay for labor."

Fantasyland East is the biggest perversion of that idea. Sure BBB makes money at DTD and MK...why don't we just add one to every land?

In Disneyland, they build a new park high in shops and low in attractions and it failed, but hey, those surveys showed that guests loved to shop. Attractions are what get people to go through the expense of flying/driving to Orlando. Foamheads are just part of the experience.
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Bingo. I don't care what anyone says, people are there for the rides first. They don't run to meet and greets when the ropes drop.
 
_Scar

_Scar

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If people are there for the rides, then why is Epcot the second most visted second-gate and why aren't Six Flags the top theme parks in the world?
 

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