What to Watch Going Into the Earnings Report

WDWTrojan

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So you're still sticking with this huh?

USO is taking steps to open next week with City Walk , and there's a strong indication that Disney Springs will do the same quickly after, if not at the same time.

I wonder how quickly the ClownfishTV/Princess and Pirates Blog doom and gloomers feature this post....hmmm

DS is definitely reopening much sooner than the parks. Not even close. One is to appease tenants and can offer outdoor dining + some indoor @ 25% capacity.

Parks are still going to be at least two months away for a host of reasons (labor cost, problems with distancing effectively, heat concerns making masks untenable in July/August, potential of big spike in the US when these states reopen, potential of outbreak linked to WDW, etc). Regardless, nobody knows when Florida will go to its second phase. So many variables.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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DS is definitely reopening much sooner than the parks. Not even close. One is to appease tenants and can offer outdoor dining + some indoor @ 25% capacity.

Parks are still going to be at least two months away for a host of reasons (labor cost, problems with distancing effectively, heat concerns making masks untenable in July/August, potential of big spike in the US when these states reopen, potential of outbreak linked to WDW, etc). Regardless, nobody knows when Florida will go to its second phase. So many variables.
I rejected this at first glance..:

But then I saw that the models are already predicting a revised “summer spike” upward as the public policy is starting to become erratic...
...and you can’t reject it outright as a possibility
 

TJJohn12

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Currently too high? How does this change? Is it not physics? (Serious question)

My guess would be some realization by scientists that a larger proportion of the population has already been infects and thereby has anti-bodies AND that reinfection is not a widespread occurrence.

The physics of two-ply of shirting fabric can’t change, but our collective understanding of the virus’ vitality and infection rates could.
 

Lilofan

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There's a policy I think that most cast members don't accept tips. At this point in their lives I can't blame them if they don't decline..
 

havoc315

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Currently too high? How does this change? Is it not physics? (Serious question)

1. better masks
2. Lower infection rates to start.

If the risk of mask to mask infection is 1.5%.. and 1/50 guests are walking in infection... that’s going to be an awful lot of spread.
But if only 1/10,000 guests are walking in as a carrier... combined with masks, that keep further spread very low.
 

wishiwere@wdw

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Tuesday is the big day for the Disney company in which they will feature what is likely to be their worst ever earnings report. Going into that earnings report, here are some things to keep an eye on for the company going forward.

1. Several people have reached out to me to let me know that there are major discussions taking place, including such key figures as Zenia Mucha and Alan Horn, about possibly moving Mulan's theatrical release out another year. It's current placement is soon enough that they could reliably move it in under the guise of lower box office revenues due to COVID-19, while the real reason is that Disney is caught in a real PR nightmare potentially. There are a number of people at Disney who feel that Mulan could become a political wedge release in the current atmosphere, which is a conflict many would like to avoid. They fear that social media and cable news, among other entities, could make viewership of the film a partisan issue, as well as a concern that the Chinese Communist Party may be found to have acted in more sinister ways just prior to a release of a film that could be seen as pro-CCP by some demographics. Articles such as this (https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ney-is-bowing-to-china-anti-democratic-agenda) could be tame in comparison to how the movie will be perceived at release. For more info on how this film has already been used by the CCP, refer to: https://variety.com/2019/film/news/...-hong-kong-twitter-facebook-china-1203309089/ .

2. The ongoing battle over Lucasfilm's direction continues, with Kathleen Kennedy and Jon Favreau factions fighting over the studio. It's fairly well known at this point that the beef between Kennedy and Iger is real, given that Iger essentially ignored her in his memoirs. It's also hard to lose sight of how many projects Kennedy has seen fail at Lucasfilm (Star Wars Resistance, Star Wars Forces of Destiny, Star Wars Galaxy of Adventures, Solo, and the Sequel Trilogy falling in revenues with each release), while Favreau seemingly struck it out of the park with The Mandalorian -- a series for Disney+ that even Iger was giving creative suggestions for and taking notes on each episode. Buried in the lead of Waititi directing a new Star Wars film (which Kennedy has no creative control over) was confirmation of the "female-centric" Star Wars series being helmed by former Weinstein personal assistant Headland. But be ready, because it looks almost certain that a new narrative is being pushed by Kennedy loyalists in Lucasfilm... and that narrative is that Headland was ONLY a personal assistant for one year, and that being against her or her series is misogynistic, mean, and unfair. Again, this is a conflict that Disney doesn't want; they don't want conflict over a hire that lavishly praised Weinstein, deleted hundreds of tweets at the same time as a leak about her project, and may know dirt on Iger and Eisner. With all that said, Kennedy has essentially gotten her way time after time, outplaying Iger even if she has been hammered by segments of the fans, mostly by hiring and developing strong loyalty within her brand.

3. Disney is still looking at an August reopening for Magic Kingdom and the MK resorts. There are some important data sets that are being monitored. First, Disney is watching early states with populous areas to see if there is a spike in cases. States that are being closely monitored include Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Colorado, and Texas. Second, there's an important statistic that Disney is actively researching: chance of transmission for mask-to-mask. Currently, the number Disney has is 1.5%. That is, with a standard (not N95 or higher) mask, the chance of two adults transmitting the virus while both wear a mask is 1.5%. That's currently too high to reopen the parks safely. At that rate, you have a 1/75 chance of contracting the virus when in close proximity with others, and a theme park features far more than 75 close interactions in a single day, even if social distancing and 50% capacity is active. If just one person is contagious then, you have a super spread situation at MK. Another serious issue to reopening the parks prior to August is that children present a logistical problem to keeping masks on in an efficient manner. And even if you do wear masks all day with no problems, Alannah Hall-Smith has been adamant that putting guests in July/August heat with a requirement to wear masks is a recipe for disaster. What are you going to do if you have people passing out from heat while wearing a mask? What are you going to do if the temperature is 98 and you can't let people in many of your indoor areas? So just know that while the target might be August, there's a real chance that this goes longer.

4. Disneyland is essentially closed for the remainder of 2020. Maybe it can reopen in November or December, but all the information I'm getting from contacts and friends says that's just not the case. Again, things can change with COVID-19 and the information we have on it... but as of now, it doesn't look good for getting Disneyland safely open in the next six months. Whereas WDW is receiving maintenance and upkeep at an acceptable show scale, Disneyland itself is a different story. It will require major attention before it will be at an acceptable level of care for reopening to guests. All attractions at DLR are powered down completely and are not receiving ANY maintenance. Pathways inside DLR are not being cleaned very often, and are rather unsightly in places with bird droppings. There's actually a serious rat issue, and I don't mean Mickey... not joking. All food items have been removed at DLR from EVERYWHERE to combat the issue, and the radically few cast members still working at DLR have to bring their food and dispose of it according to protocol.

5. One of the concepts being mulled to get Disney Parks bringing in revenue again is to bring back the non-expiration tickets. If you enjoyed stacking 10 day park hoppers with extras before and then adding the non-expiration option to them... you might be doing it again once the parks reopen. That's one of the tactics Iger has really liked for making people feel "safe" to purchase tickets. And speaking of safe...

6. Temperature checks at Magic Kingdom and MK resorts are going to be time consuming. They're working on planning for 40,000 - 70,000 temperature checks per day when they first reopen when you consider all the security checkpoints that will now include a medical screening. This is another Iger mandate, even though it's well known that this is a PR bandaid. With the understanding that COVID-19 has a high rate of asymptomatic transmission, this is just a "feel safe" measure.
Let me start by say that I mean no disrespect @WDW Pro. And I’m also certainly no insider nor have I ever claimed to be. Although I do have somewhat regular conversations with a few individuals that are absolutely privy to such information and while I have never outright ask (this goes for anything Disney related, ever), stuff does come up in conversation. I also seldom share as I don’t enjoy the internet backlash that often times comes along for the ride.

So with that all out of the way, I know squat about the studio stuff. I also know for a fact that Disneyland is being looked at far differently then WDW, which isn’t all that surprising I guess but I have zero information whatsoever on the DLR. This is simply a long way of saying that I’ve been hearing “hoping for sometime in June/early July with Springs in May for quite a few weeks now. Since this all began I know they’ve been working on worst-case scenarios with August and even as far out as 2021 but until they have data to back that up, it’s simply pure speculation and at this point, even they don’t know the answer to that. So what I’m saying is, I really hope you are wrong this time around 😁.
 

WDW Pro

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Well #3, 4 and 6 are *completely* wrong, so I have to assume the rest are as well.

Without any explanation, it's hard for me to respond. For one brief answer though, the Disneyland info comes directly from a Disneyland employee. I can get into the cat feeding station into they sent, but I didn't find it newsworthy.

Currently too high? How does this change? Is it not physics? (Serious question)

Either having stock of better masks available at the parks, or having pharmaceutical interventions at health care centers so that the severity of the disease is tampered, or a vaccine becomes available.

So you're still sticking with this huh?

USO is taking steps to open next week with City Walk , and there's a strong indication that Disney Springs will do the same quickly after, if not at the same time.

I wonder how quickly the ClownfishTV/Princess and Pirates Blog doom and gloomers feature this post....hmmm

I think everyone knows Disney Springs is likely to open far sooner than Magic Kingdom. There are many more issues with rides and theatres that don't exist at an outside retail area. In fact, you could pretty well open up Disney Springs today with the guidelines Florida is using for restaurants. There would be much closed and scant capacity at venues, but there's nothing preventing its reopening once Disney gives the green light.
 

EricsBiscuit

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If they re-open when they know internally that it's unsafe.... and a couple super spreaders infect hundreds of people... and you get a bunch of deaths related to Disney World, then Disney will be bankrupted by both lawsuits and a PR nightmare.
So yes, they have a fiduciary responsibility -- and that responsibility absolutely requires caution.
Let's remember -- if they open soon, it will be at partial capacity, with lots of required modifications -- It might not even be profitable to run the parks that way.

So the best thing to do from a fiduciary standpoint, is to wait.
WDW has always been a super spreader of disease. Everyone who goes to WDW knows the risks and it should be put in the terms of purchasing a ticket that WDW is not responsible for any virus you get while there. As long as WDW is constantly cleaning everything, offers hand sanitizer, enforces proper social distancing protocols and creates a waiver, they won’t be at fault.
 

havoc315

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WDW has always been a super spreader of disease. Everyone who goes to WDW knows the risks and it should be put in the terms of purchasing a ticket that WDW is not responsible for any virus you get while there. As long as WDW is constantly cleaning everything, offers hand sanitizer, enforces proper social distancing protocols and creates a waiver, they won’t be at fault.

If only that was true. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. (As a civil defense attorney, if it actually worked that way, I'd be out of work!)
 

wdwmagic

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Just to add something.

The vast majority of people at Disney are currently furloughed. Those that are not are few in number, and are not likely to be sharing information at this time. And even if they did, things are changing on an almost hourly basis. So same advice as before, don't read too much into anything you read right now. It is all in a state of flux.
 

easyrowrdw

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Currently too high? How does this change? Is it not physics? (Serious question)

Good observation. The explanations given don't make sense. Severity of illness isn't positively related to transmission. It might actually be inversely related. A vaccine isn't happening anytime soon. Given that many health care providers can't get the masks they need, that doesn't seem feasible either.
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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In the Parks
Yes
If only that was true. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. (As a civil defense attorney, if it actually worked that way, I'd be out of work!)

Having worked closely on this side of things from the theme park side of things (handling issues with Risk Management + guests), I don't think I've ever encountered a situation around getting a virus from a theme park that was actionable. Usually, the issues center more around injuries that occur at the park. I think the worst has been around food poisoning and those are usually resolved easily. I'd be surprised if there's many cases of lawsuits filed over catching an illness/virus at a theme park and I can't recall ever seeing any.
 

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