What planet would you replace Batuu at Disneyland?

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DanielBB8

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Your nitpicks are nonsensical. It's not pre-OT, Hondo is just old And coaxium, though it was introduced in "Solo", is obviously a very valuable item that would still exist decades later. It's literally "hyperfuel" and would always be a needed resource by everyone in the SW universe. If you haven't seen "Solo", it doesn't matter. Hondo could just easily have said, "We're after precious Slkdjlad rods!" But why not use something that's been established if you can? Why not dip into the lore?

Which is why they used Hondo. Hondo is clearly new to most people, but you obviously don't have to have seen Clone Wars to "get" the ride. You don't need any pre-knowledge of Hondo to understand his role and his character, it's all in the ride. If you happen to be a super fan, it's an easter egg. If not, no problem.
Just old? Explains everything. NOT. It's a major gap that shouldn't be so confounding.
Yes, but the Original Trilogy is barely relevant anymore and will only continue to be more irrelevant. As for Hondo, he was in the Clone Wars show. He's an alien. How long do Aliens live? Well, considering Chewy has been around since the Clone Wars as well, I'd say it depends upon the Alien. No issue with the timeline.

Nothing is wrong with using characters that might have died if you're doing a ghost-based attraction. Pretty sure it'd be weird to have Uncle Ben be our main character in a Spider Man attraction.
Original Trilogy will rescue Star Wars Land. It's one of those cases whether Disney still likes money or not. If they don't like money, keep trying this mess.

Lovely to keep stretching the age of characters. Chewbacca was the oldest character along with the C3PO and R2D2. That was intent of George Lucas, but I hardly have to expect an incidental character like Hondo should get the same treatment.

Maleficent died in original cartoon. We're up to Maleficent 2 in live action movie.

As for Uncle Ben, how many times has he died in each Spiderman origin movie? Plenty of times. Before long, he will get his own trilogy. We'll know everything he did when he raised Peter Parker. Then he'll do it again at another reboot.
 

TROR

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Y'all get bogged down in such dumb arguments.

Of course the original trilogy is more popular and will continue to be. They're just overall better movies. I like the new trilogy a lot and I'm glad Disney built Galaxy's Edge around it but I'm not stupid. Anyway can see the original films are where the money is. Except for Disney, of course. Also anyone can see that kids dream of flying in an X-Wing before they dream of piloting being an engineer on the Falcon.
 

Snow Queen

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Hondo is in prequel trilogy timeline. Much older.
So is Chewie. He's in Revenge of the Sith and the Clone Wars. A timeline, typically, is a straight line. That line goes from the Clone Wars to Revenge of the Sith to Rebels (where Hondo also appears) to the OT to the first two ST movies to Galaxy's Edge. He is not confined to the prequel point timeline, by virtue of being in Galaxy's Edge, a story set after the events of The Last Jedi, as well as appearing in other media tie ins like the currently running Galaxy's Edge comic series.
 

Ellen Ripley

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"When they established a base on Batuu, Ohnaka aided the Resistance movement while they confronted the successor to the Empire, the First Order."
 

Professortango1

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Just old? Explains everything. NOT. It's a major gap that shouldn't be so confounding.
Original Trilogy will rescue Star Wars Land. It's one of those cases whether Disney still likes money or not. If they don't like money, keep trying this mess.

Lovely to keep stretching the age of characters. Chewbacca was the oldest character along with the C3PO and R2D2. That was intent of George Lucas, but I hardly have to expect an incidental character like Hondo should get the same treatment.

Maleficent died in original cartoon. We're up to Maleficent 2 in live action movie.

As for Uncle Ben, how many times has he died in each Spiderman origin movie? Plenty of times. Before long, he will get his own trilogy. We'll know everything he did when he raised Peter Parker. Then he'll do it again at another reboot.

How is it confusing? Palpatine was in his 40's in Phantom Menace and survived all the way to Jedi (possibly longer now). Hondo would only need to be about 40 years older than Luke. Luke's hardly an old feeble man and neither was Han or Leia. Its no incredible stretch to think that Hondo's alien race lives a tad longer than humanoids. I mean, look how old Yoda is. 900 years old and you think another alien living for 100 years is hard to grasp??

Maleficent in the live action films is not the same as Maleficient in the animated film. Two different stories. Black Stache might be the origin of Hook in Peter and the Star Catcher, that doesn't mean Disney's animated Hook shares the same story.

And Uncle Ben has only died once per story.
 

LanceQ

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Hondo is in prequel trilogy timeline. Much older.

So he's a little bit older than...Han Solo. Who was an actual human being, played by a human who will be nearly 80 when he plays Indiana Jones again.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hondo being 80, especially as an alien. You're just being deliberately obtuse. Picking this hill to die on is beyond dumb.
 

TROR

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The problem with Hondo is that he’s not a character the audience associated with the Falcon. It’s like having Yoda pilot a TIE Fighter.
 

DanielBB8

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So he's a little bit older than...Han Solo. Who was an actual human being, played by a human who will be nearly 80 when he plays Indiana Jones again.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hondo being 80, especially as an alien. You're just being deliberately obtuse. Picking this hill to die on is beyond dumb.
You're comparing a fictional character to a live person as if this comparison makes sense is no sense. It's the hill you're dying on.

Hondo is a nobody to most people. That's the painful thing about the attraction. Picking a storyline about coaxium is messed up. Makes you wonder what's all this about preparing for the future of Star Wars. It's the crash and burn Star Wars.
 

LanceQ

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Y'all get bogged down in such dumb arguments.

Yup. The Hondo argument is indeed dumb.


Of course the original trilogy is more popular and will continue to be. They're just overall better movies.

100% agree. The OT will always be the best of the movies. Everything else will forever be an also-ran, whether made by Lucas himself or anyone working for Disney.

I like the new trilogy a lot and I'm glad Disney built Galaxy's Edge around it but I'm not stupid.

I'm not a huge fan of the ST, but I certainly get why Disney decided to made the land ST-centric. And the ST elements certainly don't bother me in any way.

Anyway can see the original films are where the money is.

That's debatable. In what sense? The old movies aren't raking in a billion plus dollars at the BO these days.

Except for Disney, of course. Also anyone can see that kids dream of flying in an X-Wing before they dream of piloting being an engineer on the Falcon.

So Disney was smart to make GE sequel trilogy centric but dumb to have the ride feature the Falcon over an X-Wing? As a member of the OG generation of kids who grew up with Star Wars, I can tell you that we had plenty of dreams that involved flying the Falcon. This is obviously entirely subjective.

But putting the Falcon front and center in the land (both in terms of geography and the ride) was a huge draw for OT fans and a brilliant move all around. Even people who don't like Rey and Klyo Ren are going to be drawn in by the Falcon.
 
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DanielBB8

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That's debatable. In what sense? The old movies aren't raking in a billion plus dollars at the BO these days.
Merchandising alone WAS worth billions of dollars. It is worth little today with Sequel Trilogy. Hondo is a choice to use unknown character tied to a failed Solo movie. And this was supposed to sell us Batuu. LOL!!!
 
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TROR

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That's debatable. In what sense? The old movies aren't raking in a billion plus dollars at the BO these days.
Adjusted for inflation, Star Wars (1977) is still the fourth highest grossing film of all time. But beside that, as BB8 mentioned, just compare merchandise sales between OT vs ST. Of course, that doesn't account for the drop in quality or the over saturation of the market. We've been over it before on this forum: the old farts who would die for the OT are the ones who have the money, not the kids.

So Disney was smart to make GE sequel trilogy centric but dumb to have the ride feature the Falcon over an X-Wing? As a member of the OG generation of kids who grew up with Star Wars, I can tell you that we had plenty of dreams that involved flying the Falcon. This is obviously entirely subjective.

But putting the Falcon front and center in the land (both in terms of geography and the ride) was a huge draw for OT fans and a brilliant move all around. Even people who don't like Rey and Klyo Ren are going to be drawn in by the Falcon.
Just because I prefer to have the ST doesn't mean it was a smart move. Having it be set in the OT with OT would've been an absolutely bigger success, no doubt in my mind. While my own personal experience is subjective, I'd be willing to bet that, if polled, more people would say they dreamt of flying an X-Wing as a child than dreamt of flying the Falcon.
 

Professortango1

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Merchandising alone WAS worth billions of dollars. It is worth little today with Sequel Trilogy. Hondo is a choice to use unknown character tied to a failed Solo movie. And this was supposed to sell us Batuu. LOL!!!

Hondo isn't tied to Solo. Hondo was in the Clone Wars series. And Merch is still doing quite well. I teach 7th grade and I still see Star Wars stuff everywhere. Its just not Original Trilogy Star Wars because "those movies are old."
 

LanceQ

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Adjusted for inflation, Star Wars (1977) is still the fourth highest grossing film of all time. But beside that, as BB8 mentioned, just compare merchandise sales between OT vs ST. Of course, that doesn't account for the drop in quality or the over saturation of the market. We've been over it before on this forum: the old farts who would die for the OT are the ones who have the money, not the kids.


Just because I prefer to have the ST doesn't mean it was a smart move. Having it be set in the OT with OT would've been an absolutely bigger success, no doubt in my mind. While my own personal experience is subjective, I'd be willing to bet that, if polled, more people would say they dreamt of flying an X-Wing as a child than dreamt of flying the Falcon.

Sure, I agree with a lot of yours points. Merch sales are down. Toy sales are down. Kids aren't that into toys, period, not just SW, though. As a collector, I personally sold off all of my PT era toys several years ago and focus mostly on the OT, though I do have a number of ST figures, as well.

SW is just now one of several major franchises commanding kids' attention these days. Marvel is arguably far more popular and is considered more modern, more hip than the 40+ years old SW. How many kids are really into the stuff their parents grew up with? TLJ, a movie I love, is arguably the least toyetic movie in the franchise and, despite being a great film, managed to rub some of the biggest toy-hoarding nerds the wrong way.

People keep coming back to Batuu as a concept. Why not this, why not that? I've thought about it a lot, I've read comments, talked to friends. I mean, there is literally one and only one ripped-from-the-films alternative that could possibly work - Mos Eisley.

But Mos Eisley was featured in, what, 15 minutes of one film? And what would that give you? The Falcon and the cantina, which Batuu already does. (I'm not for the "let's have Luke's house and jabba's palace AND the cantina all right next to each other", as that approach would have been sloppy and lazy.)

Even if you made a down-to-the-toothpick exact replica of Mos Eisley, it still wouldn't give you that Wizarding World experience that everyone keeps unfairly comparing GE to.

ALL of the Harry Potter movies take place in Hogsmeade/Hogwarts. So that same "I'm walking in the footsteps of the characters" feeling wasn't going to happen. At least not in the same way or to the same degree. SW is a different kind of series. You never stay in one place, it's all about journeying to new planets and having new adventures.

For my money, that makes Batuu the most "Star Wars" concept they could have come up with. Going somewhere new that still felt like it existed in the same universe as what we've already seen.

(That said, I certainly DID feel that "wow, I'm really here!" vibe outside and inside the Falcon. That's where they meet you halfway. And I'm sure RotR will evoke similar feelings. The cantina did for me, too, even though it's not the "same" cantina. So, I think it's straddling the line of new/old quite well. YMMV.
 

Rich T

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Star Wars is a silly franchise. That's what makes it fun. Taking it seriously is even sillier.

"Time Lines". Bah. You're talking about script decisions made by various writers, directors and executives, all seeking one thing: Make money off this space opera franchise. By a flip of a coin Han Solo could have lived through Ep. 7 and turned the Millennium Falcon into a flying Ice Cream Truck. This isn't history. It isn't real. It isn't even good film writing.

Galaxy's Edge is "Corporate Executive Committee Decision Land." If it was incredibly fun and lively, that wouldn't matter.
 

DanielBB8

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Let’s heist the train!!!

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DanielBB8

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Another plothole is in every planet that the Rebel or Resistance was at and discovered, they turn tailed and ran away. Why are the Resistance still at Batuu? They should have left a long time ago. That’s why the Tatooine story would make sense because Luke wasn’t discovered and the Rebels weren’t located there.
 

TROR

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Another plothole is in every planet that the Rebel or Resistance was at and discovered, they turn tailed and ran away. Why are the Resistance still at Batuu? They should have left a long time ago. That’s why the Tatooine story would make sense because Luke wasn’t discovered and the Rebels weren’t located there.
This is a fair point. They should remove the First Order's presence from Galaxy's Edge and make it strictly Resistance.
 
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