I agree with you there! the guy that hit that person with a bat should have gotten some time in the state penn.!
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MAXIMUM all the way! :animwink:Originally posted by Maria
"some time" or "maximum"?
I`m the type of person that is tough on crime!
EpcoTim
Well-Known Member
What a psycho that guy is. It was all over talk radio here in Detroit the other day. People who abuse animals are the lowest forms of life there are. What they should do, is take one of the rottweilers that are raised in Detroit as fighting dogs, and before they put it down, they should unleash it on this ***off.
Maria!
Raising dogs for fights is a crime here in the USA and when found the owners are prosecuted and hurting/killing humans is definately a crime,in some states it`s punishable by death.
Don L Duck
New Member
The fact of the matter is people make mistakes and this man admitted it.
Now it's true that we don't have all the facts in ,I mean he could be truly sorry for what he did does that mean he should go to prison for one mistake.
No, I feel he should be fined and serve community service we just don't know if what he did was out of panic. It's obvious to me he was not thinking straight so let's give him the benefit of the doubt just like any of us would want in a similar situation.
I don't mean animal cruelty but hasn't there ever been something any of you did without thinking and then felt sorry for afterwards I know I have.
I would hate to have gone to prison for one dumb mistake.
Now it's true that we don't have all the facts in ,I mean he could be truly sorry for what he did does that mean he should go to prison for one mistake.
No, I feel he should be fined and serve community service we just don't know if what he did was out of panic. It's obvious to me he was not thinking straight so let's give him the benefit of the doubt just like any of us would want in a similar situation.
I don't mean animal cruelty but hasn't there ever been something any of you did without thinking and then felt sorry for afterwards I know I have.
I would hate to have gone to prison for one dumb mistake.
EpcoTim
Well-Known Member
You missed my whole point.
Its a huge epidemic up here in Detroit, and in a lot of major cities, that people breed and raise Rottweilers to be fighting dogs. The dogs live horrible lives. Undernourished, thrown in cages that are about 8x8 ft with 30 other dogs. Then they are tossed into a ring and made to fight another dog to the death.
If, and when the police find these dog "breeders" they arrest them, and put all the animals to sleep becuase they are to violent and dangerous to to be a domstic animal. I know this, I took a dog from one of these "breeders" when it was just a pup. I gave it to a friend, and the dog was very fearful for weeks til he could trust a human again.
And yes.....I think that would be fair punishment, to let a dog, who was abused by humans and mistreated its whole life, to have one minute with an animal-abuser before its put to death. Its not the dogs fault it was raised in such conditions, let it get even before it goes.
Don L Duck
New Member
Yes, I agree an animal that was misteated it's whole life, this to me is pre meditated and the person or persons doing this, do it for money and are without a soul.
But not one stupid mistake like this guy with the cat.
Don L Duck
New Member
Yes, exactly that is Maria's whole point. :sohappy:
Tigggrl
Well-Known Member
Ok...
As an animal owner my entire life, I can honestly say that this guy should have gotten more in my opinion! ONE simple phone call to the ASPCA would have taken care of this whole situation, as they would have come out to pick up the kitten, and foster it out. There is no excuse for animal cruelty! I KNOW from experience. My father raised horses and dogs. We bred Beagles and Appaloosas for years. We had several other animals as well. I have personally seen him beat and throw and abuse these poor animals if they didnt do what he wanted them too! He also set traps for owls, and killed several of them, and hunted Deer and rabbit as well, forSPORT.
And yes, the abuse also filtered into the family as well. My father was one to rule by fear, not love, compassion and patience. And people wonder why I have absolutely nothing to do with my family! This guy hurt a kitten...but what has he done that we don't know about?? and what might happen to his daughter??? Its a horrible tragic fact that people who abuse animals have a history of violence, and who knows what he will do next???
I am very concerned for his daughter, growing up in a household with a person with an abusive tendancy. I know.....I LIVED
it.
P.S. Watch Animal Planet once in a while...their shows on the ASPCA are real eye openers!
*Huggles my Kitties*
As an animal owner my entire life, I can honestly say that this guy should have gotten more in my opinion! ONE simple phone call to the ASPCA would have taken care of this whole situation, as they would have come out to pick up the kitten, and foster it out. There is no excuse for animal cruelty! I KNOW from experience. My father raised horses and dogs. We bred Beagles and Appaloosas for years. We had several other animals as well. I have personally seen him beat and throw and abuse these poor animals if they didnt do what he wanted them too! He also set traps for owls, and killed several of them, and hunted Deer and rabbit as well, forSPORT.
And yes, the abuse also filtered into the family as well. My father was one to rule by fear, not love, compassion and patience. And people wonder why I have absolutely nothing to do with my family! This guy hurt a kitten...but what has he done that we don't know about?? and what might happen to his daughter??? Its a horrible tragic fact that people who abuse animals have a history of violence, and who knows what he will do next???
I am very concerned for his daughter, growing up in a household with a person with an abusive tendancy. I know.....I LIVED
it.
P.S. Watch Animal Planet once in a while...their shows on the ASPCA are real eye openers!
*Huggles my Kitties*
Maria
New Member
Thank you! Someone understood me!
As for the daughter... I wouldn´t be too concerned. This guy originally picked the kitten for her. We don´t know the facts, we should give him the benefit of the doubt. I have also seen a few documentaries and cases that make it to international news about shelters with an over population of animals and very little care... makes me wonder that if they picked up every cat or dog in the neighborhood, how would they sustain them and give them proper care? :animwink:
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Just to clarify: I am not an animal hater, I just don´t put them in the same level as human beings. They are not like a baby or kids for me, they are pets or animals in general... specially if they are bugs -then I kill them with no regrets.
Well, first off, I think we all know he is not serving 4 years in prison. The article states only that he COULD get 4 years, and we in America know that even if he does get the maximum penalty, the chances of him serving the whole sentance are slim to none.
Secondly, it is true that people who are abusive towards animals do tend to be more abusive, criminally or otherwise, towards people.
This man is being punished as an example. I hope he is forced into counseling, because that's what he really needs. I'll never believe he didn't get some kind of joy out of what he did. There are plenty of other, less "thrilling" ways to get rid of an unwanted kitten. COUNSELING!!! For his daughter's sake at the very least!
Animals and children are the innocents of this world. I question anybody's conscience who has the stomach to do something like this. I don't care HOW active he is in Church. He is missing something.
Edit- just a few numbers for you, taken from http://www.numag.neu.edu/9709/FTheF997.html:
Likelihood of animal abusers vs control subjects to commit:
violent crimes: 38% vs 7%
property crimes: 44% vs 11%
drug-related crimes: 37% vs 11%
crimes of public disorder: 37% vs 12%
Secondly, it is true that people who are abusive towards animals do tend to be more abusive, criminally or otherwise, towards people.
This man is being punished as an example. I hope he is forced into counseling, because that's what he really needs. I'll never believe he didn't get some kind of joy out of what he did. There are plenty of other, less "thrilling" ways to get rid of an unwanted kitten. COUNSELING!!! For his daughter's sake at the very least!
Animals and children are the innocents of this world. I question anybody's conscience who has the stomach to do something like this. I don't care HOW active he is in Church. He is missing something.
Edit- just a few numbers for you, taken from http://www.numag.neu.edu/9709/FTheF997.html:
Likelihood of animal abusers vs control subjects to commit:
violent crimes: 38% vs 7%
property crimes: 44% vs 11%
drug-related crimes: 37% vs 11%
crimes of public disorder: 37% vs 12%
MouseMadness
Well-Known Member
The thing he is missing.. could it be a conscience?
And thanks for the numbers... that was MY whole point, which was missed as well. Take a look at any serial killer... most likely you will find they were abusive to animals. And I bet it could've been brushed off as a misjudgement. (NO! I'm not saying this guy is a serial killer... so don't start about that)
I, myself, grew up around all kinds of animals as well, and I respect them as I should, but I don't put them on the same level as people, not at all. I realize that there is an overpopulation problem, I also realize we are the reason for it. I took in 3 stray kittens whose mother left them under my front porch... and after a month of bottle feeding the three of them several times throughout the night, I realized I couldn't keep all three. I used my God-given common sense and gave one to my brother in law, kept one, and sent one to a shelter. I suppose it would've been a whole lot easier to chuck them out the window, and claim bad judgement, but I don't know that I could've lived with myself and that enormous lie. Because it is... a lie. A huge one. "oops, I didn't know it would be a bad idea to fling a kitten out a window" Please. Sorry... I said I was leaving this thread... I'd better do that now.
*checks "Countdown to thread shutdown" clock*
oooh, I can see it now!
Maria
New Member
nah... I don´t think it will get locked that soon... I don´t think people care enough or they would have already posted! :lol: :animwink:
I hope what Erika said happens and his guy gets counseling and not 4 years in prison, but with the things we´ve seen in the world, anything could happen... :animwink:
Maria
New Member
What we see in my city:
Guy beats the wife and kids
Wife or neighbors call the police
Guy gets detention
The State goes after him
Wife forgives him and takes him back no matter how many times he has done it...
:hammer:
(there are a lot more implications for this to happen of course, but I won´t go into details... it´s just the reflection of many other social and economic problems)
Guy beats the wife and kids
Wife or neighbors call the police
Guy gets detention
The State goes after him
Wife forgives him and takes him back no matter how many times he has done it...
:hammer:
(there are a lot more implications for this to happen of course, but I won´t go into details... it´s just the reflection of many other social and economic problems)