what is happening to disney? :'(

[Mr. Toad]

I find it funny that when I was a kid I used to complain every year that the Magic Kingdom should have a Pooh ride (actually I wanted the whole place renamed Winnie The Pooh World but that's a different story). Then I grow up and they give me what I wanted but take out one of my favorite rides to place it. Oh well, guess you can all blame me for the Pooh ride (I used to tell the CMs they needed a Pooh ride). Actually, it's not a bad ride I just have to get over my disappointment of Mr. Toad being gone. Maybe they can build a new Mr. Toad's Wild Ride where 20,000 Leagues used to be (I mean he is a toad he should like water right?).

 

[General Grizz]

We can't have INSTANT TOMORROW...We must learn about HOW people have progressed, and with that how we WILL progress. It makes it all interesting...what people think and what happens...we SHOULD learn about our past to learn our future and CoP is a prime example. WoM taught all about the past, yet all about the future. WOM with just the future wouldn't be complete...same with Horizons...it's even MORE fun to take a look at yesterday's tomorrows to see what kind of hilarious stuff they thought of back then...

After all, yesterday will repeat itself if we don't learn about it...

Long live CoP.

 

[Debbie]

Originally posted by StarscreamLSU



I do - all I have to say is thank god for my gameboy


I'm a little ticked to see some things go - but I'm not totally against change. I mean,you have to keep somethings fresh.
What I don't agree with is replacing a ride with something pointless (read: crapfest). My biggest fear is seeing WDW become a themed carnival-type atmostphere, like some of the 6 Flags or my local theme park Jazzland (AKA St Mark's parish fair).this is why I haven't wasted my money on Jazzland. It just doesn't have the magic as Disney. I would rather make the 10 hr. ride to LBV than the hour to Chalmette.

But I definitly see why some people are so up in arms about things if it was their favorite ride, I mean I would chain myself for the doors of Gracey Manor if they decided to axe the Mansion.


yeah... rambling probably made no sense, but I'm in class

 

[ToTBellHop]

Just to let you know...it would be nearly impossible to replace 20000 Leagues with anything BUT a water ride. Why? Well...you have to think about where the water for that ride comes from. It's a massive water system, but I don't know the exact order...something along the lines of...Bay Lake to the moat in front of Cinderella Castle to 20K to whatever the river around Tom Sawyer Island is called (drawing a blank...) to Jungle Cruise to the Seven Seas Lagoon. So, as you can see, it would be VERY expensive to replace 20K with anything but a water ride...you would have to create a way to move the water past this point so that all other locations receive their water--VERY expensive--the most logical thing to do is use the lagoon, which is why it's still there.

 

[MrPromey]

Originally posted by grizzlyhall
We can't have INSTANT TOMORROW...We must learn about HOW people have progressed, and with that how we WILL progress. It makes it all interesting...what people think and what happens...we SHOULD learn about our past to learn our future and CoP is a prime example. WoM taught all about the past, yet all about the future. WOM with just the future wouldn't be complete...same with Horizons...it's even MORE fun to take a look at yesterday's tomorrows to see what kind of hilarious stuff they thought of back then...

After all, yesterday will repeat itself if we don't learn about it...

Long live CoP.

Yes, you are right, we should. Unfortunately, Disney’s surveys have apparently concluded that people don’t want to pay them $50 a day so that they can while there on vacation… I think SSE is probably safe for the forseable future. It’s too much of a landmark to be taken down and I don’t think the structural integrity of the building would hold up to a roller coaster type ride. It’s smack dab at the entrance, too. They’d have a heck of a time doing anything major with it without blocking the entrance to the park. I don’t think it would be realistic for them to do much beyond gutting it and replacing the scenery of the ride in which case, it could actually end up one day becoming a mix of SSE, Horizons and WOM… You are sorry to have seen WOM and Horizons go. So am I. I also miss the original JII and Communocore (which seemed a lot less like, as Steve put it, a trade show) but the simple fact is that if the majority of people felt the way we do, they wouldn’t have done away with the old attractions. I mean, to be honest, for as much as I liked JII and for as much as I think they ruined it with what they replaced it with, the old attraction, like many other things in future world, had become a walk on. Just because you and I want to see it doesn’t mean it should be kept. I have a pretty strong feeling that Disney is correct in the thinking that the 21st century public isn’t going to want to pay for a day in a park to look at early 80’s technology depicting the past and perceived future from an 80’s point of view.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Spaceship Earth is DEFINITELY a permanent attraction and will pretty much remain as is (with obvious changes...but no conversions to a thrill ride). EVERYONE rides Spaceship Earth the first time they get to Epcot on a vacation and last thing before they leave and it can generate 30 minute lines in the morning...as for disney building this generation's classics...they certainly are! Tower of Terror and Splash Mountain are classics in my mind

 

[MrPromey]

Re: do we agree to disagree

Originally posted by tinkrbel
ok just a silly idea ..but how bout they take everything and start a whole new park ... a type of history of Disney theme parks Park .. yeah i know ..every one young wants the fastest, and the most modern thing there is just us old tired grandparents want to keep what was familar and dear to our hearts .. I dont the COP is out dated .. it shows the past ..and where we are going in the future and could be updated to keep up with the future. Same with SSE ..the history of communication .. and the future of it. ... the WOM was about the history of man getting from Point A to Point B. Horizons too was about the future and where we were going. All I know about Test Track is its got to do with safty and GM .. Mission Space may be a wonderful thing and I kinda look forward to it, but I will still miss horizons and the smell of the oranges

When I say that COP is outdated I’m talking on a few levels. First, lets look at the animatronics. Alien Encounter has one that’s 3rd generation and much, much more lifelike and it isn’t even supposed to look human. The sound in the ride is horrible with the voices of many of the characters (including the dog) sounding like they are coming from a speaker that are only in the general direction of the animatronic speaking them. Could they update the animatrinics and put a new sound system in? Sure. Is it practical? No? The cheapest animatronics cost thousands of dollars and to use good ones that would make this attraction seem new would cost millions in the end and the problem is that many of the regulars that go to it still regard it as a nice place to cool down and relax. That isn’t the point behind the attraction… As far as the scenes being updated, if memory serves me right, you are plodding along through history at a rate of about 15 years or so per scene until you get to the last one which at this point, leaps about 40 years ahead and that scene would actually be due for an update because some of the technologies of the near future that they show there are in directions that we are no longer moving in (such as vitual reality goggles and gloves and voice controlled devices) They would have to jump another 10 or 15 years ahead at which point, they would be skipping past half a century… Or, they would have to dump the first half of the 20th century so that the ride could continue in its normal format. If they were to preserve it as a look back at the 20th century without future updates, they might be able to get away with keeping it but something like this is a little serious for what the Magic Kingdom has become as a result of other parks being created. The attraction is really out of place… I don’t want to see it go but hall of presidents sort of is, too… It would be wonderful if Disney could build a park dedicated to nostalgic attractions but since it would cost just as much if not more to build new ride buildings and transport or recreate old rides and attractions to them, I think we will be seeing an “all new” 5th long before anything like that happens. The old format to Tomorrow Land lent itself to change far more than any other land in the MK which is why the attractions in it have changed overall more than in any of the other lands and was part of why they redid it the way they did – so that it wouldn’t get outdated so easily. In the same sense, Future World in Epcot which sort of replaces the old Tomorrowland is something they are trying to format in ways that will be current and stay current. The original Tomorrowland was made up of mostly omnimover attractions which to many people, felt the same or similar. Those are now being replaced by more modern and individually unique attractions. Another trend that I’m not happy about is towards shorter rides because Disney studies have shown that people don’t like the 20+ minute attractions so much anymore. Like I said, we don’t have to like it but we do sort of have to live with it because that’s what the majority wants and as we all know, majority rules.