Rumor What is everyone’s confidence level that a Villain’s land will happen?

[doctornick]

EPCOT is a two day park. Plenty of stuff to do and explore there for families with younger or older children.

Yep. I’ll even toss out a shout out for the Ducktales activity which is a great way to explore the WS pavilions especially for families with kids.

 

[JD80]

Yep. I’ll even toss out a shout out for the Ducktales activity which is a great way to explore the WS pavilions especially for families with kids.

I spent two days at EPCOT back in December and we didn't have time for it. Was doing the cookie stroll and the olaf sleigh activity.

Highly recommend one of those games if available when you go. The kids loved them. We spend 30 minutes in each pavilion eating and searching over two days. Not having to worry about keeping a 5 nearly 6 year old engaged was great.

 

[Jrb1979]

Yes, but that helps illustrate the point I was making later in that same post. They are great rides to their target audiences. A lot of people on here seem to lose sight of the fact that Disney World is a theme park made mostly for children and families. At the end of the day our grown up opinions about any of it doesn’t matter.

I don't have an issue with adding great rides to their target audience. For me it's more about fitting them into the parks theme. I feel they are slowly turning into extensions of MK.

Maybe the new fans don't care but for me what made Disney parks unique was each park had a different theme.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Epcot’s current attraction lineup is weak. World Showcase, despite taking up over half of the park, only has three rides. Rat and Frozen are also the only “newer” rides at the park that offer standby. It’s not hard to see why they pull long lines. But the lines they are pulling aren’t even that long in comparison to other popular attractions.

Epcot is already imo one of the harder parks to "do everything in" it can use some attractions but its FAR from the park that needs them the most. Animal Kingdom was struggling for years to leave the half-day park label (imo it is a full-day park especially since Pandora even when there was Fastpass etc) But let's say you took the budget for 2-3 (most likely) big budget Epcot rides and gave Animal Kingdom 3-5 lower budget rides. It would do wonders for the park, especially if you can share the costs between multiple parks (Lion King, New Avatar Ride), add in some more simple people eater rides (imo what Animal Kingdom could use). You would spend a little more money obviously with more rides but (and this is a pipe dream) 5 more rides total at Animal Kingdom would basically completely wash away the half day park notion for that park and make the least ride-packed Disney park still have more rides than Universal's new toy. (Good for marketing)

It just makes better financial sense to put the rides elsewhere rather than Epcot which has a lot to do already

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Epcot is already imo one of the harder parks to "do everything in" it can use some attractions but its FAR from the park that needs them the most. Animal Kingdom was struggling for years to leave the half-day park label (imo it is a full-day park especially since Pandora even when there was Fastpass etc) But let's say you took the budget for 2-3 (most likely) big budget Epcot rides and gave Animal Kingdom 3-5 lower budget rides. It would do wonders for the park, especially if you can share the costs between multiple parks (Lion King, New Avatar Ride), add in some more simple people eater rides (imo what Animal Kingdom could use). You would spend a little more money obviously with more rides but (and this is a pipe dream) 5 more rides total at Animal Kingdom would basically completely wash away the half day park notion for that park and make the least ride-packed Disney park still have more rides than Universal's new toy. (Good for marketing)

It just makes better financial sense to put the rides elsewhere rather than Epcot which has a lot to do already

I agree. I'd put MK in the same bucket as Epcot (where not to put new rides; re-skins / updates ok) and DHS in the same bucket as Animal (where new rides should go to fill out and add balance)

Is Radiator Springs (the land) still on the table for DHS? Or is it just Villains?

 

[erasure fan1]

Maybe the new fans don't care but for me what made Disney parks unique was each park had a different theme.

The shoehorning has been a huge disappointment for me when it comes to Disney. In my opinion the attention to theming and detail has been one of the biggest Disney differences.

 

[Tha Realest]

Yes, but that helps illustrate the point I was making later in that same post. They are great rides to their target audiences. A lot of people on here seem to lose sight of the fact that Disney World is a theme park made mostly for children and families. At the end of the day our grown up opinions about any of it doesn’t matter.

sure, but the assertion you responded to was that the rides were mediocre. In attempting to dispute that, you pointed to long wait times. I don’t think we can infer a certain level of quality on these attractions solely on their wait times.

 

[erasure fan1]

Epcot is already imo one of the harder parks to "do everything in" it can use some attractions but its FAR from the park that needs them the most. Animal Kingdom was struggling for years to leave the half-day park label (imo it is a full-day park especially since Pandora even when there was Fastpass etc) But let's say you took the budget for 2-3 (most likely) big budget Epcot rides and gave Animal Kingdom 3-5 lower budget rides. It would do wonders for the park,

You'd have to define do everything. It's not that hard to do all the attractions at Epcot in a day. Now add in visit all the world showcase pavilions, no chance. But for me, world showcase has always been a meh. I'll see the rides and american adventure, look at the Koi and trains, walk through the Japan store and I'm good. So I think it does need a couple more world showcase rides and one more larger ride in the old wonders of life.

But that is why Disney is so screwed. You have 3 parks that need a significant attraction add. Sure Epcot is in a better place than the studios and animal kingdom. But all 3 need major work to take some pressure off of magic kingdom.

 

[bwr827]

sure, but the assertion you responded to was that the rides were mediocre. In attempting to dispute that, you pointed to long wait times. I don’t think we can infer a certain level of quality on these attractions solely on their wait times.

It’s a relevant metric, even if not the only metric. They’re the two rope-drop targets.

That would change to a significant extent if Guardians opened up standby.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

You'd have to define do everything. It's not that hard to do all the attractions at Epcot in a day. Now add in visit all the world showcase pavilions, no chance. But for me, world showcase has always been a meh. I'll see the rides and american adventure, look at the Koi and trains, walk through the Japan store and I'm good. So I think it does need a couple more world showcase rides and one more larger ride in the old wonders of life.

But that is why Disney is so screwed. You have 3 parks that need a significant attraction add. Sure Epcot is in a better place than the studios and animal kingdom. But all 3 need major work to take some pressure off of magic kingdom.

With all due respect, I think a lot of people at Disney aren't there just to do the rides ESPECIALLY at Epcot. I would argue a lot of people, by design, stop in each world showcase pavillion and eat something, drink, buy something, or just look around.

I was just at Epcot a few weeks ago and its a 2-day park easily imo even when I was using Genie+ and got every ride I wanted done.

I suppose it could get more rides to appeal to the rides-only people but imo its better paired with MK rather than AK and HS

 

[Gusey]

This Epcot talks reminds me of something Tony Baxter said when talking about Westcot: "another problem we have at EPCOT is it's mostly films and travel information and shopping, which children don't find that attractive" - Tony Baxter...on Westcot

 

[erasure fan1]

With all due respect, I think a lot of people at Disney aren't there just to do the rides ESPECIALLY at Epcot. I would argue a lot of people, by design, stop in each world showcase pavillion and eat something, drink, buy something, or just look around.

I was just at Epcot a few weeks ago and its a 2-day park easily imo even when I was using Genie+ and got every ride I wanted done.

I suppose it could get more rides to appeal to the rides-only people but imo its better paired with MK rather than AK and HS

Like I said, yes it can be a two day park. I just think they rely too heavily on shopping and food. Personally, I'm not paying Disney prices to spend half a day plus walking around a well themed shopping mall. I don't mind it's there but it needs a couple more rides. And they need a ride to fill wonders back up. The main point is Magic kingdom needs some stress relief, and the only way to achieve that is expanding the other 3 parks. Studios and animal kingdom need the most and Epcot just needs a few things to round it out.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Epcot is already imo one of the harder parks to "do everything in" it can use some attractions but its FAR from the park that needs them the most. Animal Kingdom was struggling for years to leave the half-day park label (imo it is a full-day park especially since Pandora even when there was Fastpass etc) But let's say you took the budget for 2-3 (most likely) big budget Epcot rides and gave Animal Kingdom 3-5 lower budget rides. It would do wonders for the park, especially if you can share the costs between multiple parks (Lion King, New Avatar Ride), add in some more simple people eater rides (imo what Animal Kingdom could use). You would spend a little more money obviously with more rides but (and this is a pipe dream) 5 more rides total at Animal Kingdom would basically completely wash away the half day park notion for that park and make the least ride-packed Disney park still have more rides than Universal's new toy. (Good for marketing)

It just makes better financial sense to put the rides elsewhere rather than Epcot which has a lot to do already

I’ve often said that current day Epcot has quantity, but lacks quality. Sure, it may be hard to fit everything in one day, but do people want to ride everything there? Mission Space and Nemo are easy skips. Imagination 3.0 is a guilty pleasure for me, but most people don’t care for it. Living With the Land and Three Caballos are more of a hidden gem. Ratatouille gives a lot of people motion sickness. Cosmic Rewind is locked in virtual queue.

You’re left with around 4-5 attractions almost everyone does: Spaceship Earth, Soarin, Test Track (currently closed), Frozen, and Rat/CW (depending on factors mentioned). These 5 are of varying degrees of quality too. If they spruced up the quality of Imagination and the Seas, as well as putting something in the Wonders pavilion, Epcot would be in a much better state. Disney should WANT this to be a two day park for most people. It spreads the lines out naturally, and entices people to come back.

 

[Delta-7]

It has a number and a plot. I've not heard of a greenlight just yet, but it's closer than I thought it would get.

Optimistic about the proposed content.

Does this mean Villains land has been decided or at least heavily considered for a specific park? I also remember earlier chat about either sending Villains to MK and RSR to DHS or vice versa. If Villains would be almost greenlit now, then what’s going on with RSR?

 

[Bocabear]

I think the World Showcase needs to update and refresh their offerings. When Epcot was new it was exciting to see the different countries and what they offered...but many of them don't really offer much...Italy is basically just restaurants and a gift shop as is Germany, and the UK. Morocco no longer offers much, along with China and Japan. These pavilions should all be explosions of the arts and cultures of each of their regions... A food snack and boozy drink from each area is not quite enough... It feels like they are no longer special representations of their countries but another gift shop and drink...They could and should be better....more or in many cases, just some sort of entertainment...more attractions that are relevent to travel in the regions... new things to explore and see.

 

[FigmentFan82]

There definitely needs to be at LEAST 2 more attractions in WS. I'd be in favor of reviving the Poppins carousel, and would be amazing to bring the fantasy springs Tangled ride to Germany

 

[Bocabear]

There definitely needs to be at LEAST 2 more attractions in WS. I'd be in favor of reviving the Poppins carousel, and would be amazing to bring the fantasy springs Tangled ride to Germany

but maybe a little better version of the Tangled ride.... The Fantasy Springs felt like an incomplete storyline... like you get there and there is no ending... Which I guess is the point but felt to me a little like Navi River Journey...like...yeah, and.....
But I think the ride is beautiful... I would rather have a German trainride through the countryside though... Getting LGB Model trains as a sponsor...an idyllic German countryside with maybe multiple characters tucked in... not the main subject....but there....Main Subject being German Countryside.....

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Does this mean Villains land has been decided or at least heavily considered for a specific park? I also remember earlier chat about either sending Villains to MK and RSR to DHS or vice versa. If Villains would be almost greenlit now, then what’s going on with RSR?

If I had to guess I'd imagine they show a new concept art of BBT and show the Coco area and tell us that is happening, and behind in the concept you would then see the non car roof mountain range as representing more ideas beyond. Anything that is to do V is separate it's own area would be North of HM.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Is it?

 

[doctornick]

I'm feeling pretty confident now