What I think...as of today...for now...

[aladdin2007]

You know why you dont hear people complaining about the Autiopia and Disneyland? Because it's CRAMMED into it's spot, fitted around the areas of the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage, Innoventions, and the Disneyland Railroad. It's also more scenic. The Tomorrowland Speedway at the Magic Kingdom is way more spread out, takes up prime real estate that could be used for multiple dark rides or Mountains, and it isn't anywhere near as scenic as Disneylands. The ride either needs some serious updating, or get removed from the park for something far more Disney-like.

You tellem!!!! :wave: but I agree it really needs an update in its looks and surroundings.

 

[Lee]

Ok....I'm back.:wave:

I haven't read very far back, but a couple of points:

- There has not been a leaked set of prints showing Dumbo in the south position. As has already been pointed out, the one floating around here is fan made.
Prints showing Dumbo in it's new spot do exist cool but have not been...umm....approved for release to the web yet.

- Speedway will not need to be altered for Dumbo. Dumbo's tent will sit nicely between the Speedway and Barnstormer.

- Yes...Speedway needs to go. I'm personally still in favor of a version of Aquatopia taking it's place.

 

[aladdin2007]

Ok....I'm back.:wave:

I haven't read very far back, but a couple of points:

- There has not been a leaked set of prints showing Dumbo in the south position. As has already been pointed out, the one floating around here is fan made.
Prints showing Dumbo in it's new spot do exist cool but have not been...umm....approved for release to the web yet.

- Speedway will not need to be altered for Dumbo. Dumbo's tent will sit nicely between the Speedway and Barnstormer.

- Yes...Speedway needs to go. I'm personally still in favor of a version of Aquatopia taking it's place.

Welcome home Lee!

Im warming up to the whole Dumbo thing, just wish they could do something other than clowns for the barnstormer. Yes Aquatopia would be fantastic!

 

[cbconglom]

welcome back!

from 9.1.10 doesn't show much but i post anything new i find about fe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0KqbveuvU

 

[SeaBase86]

Ok what about Tokyo's? It has a very similar layout and no one complained about it over there.


Oh and yeah I would love to see Aquatopia but I don't see them doing that anytime soon.

 

[inluvwithbeast]

Ok....I'm back.:wave:

I haven't read very far back, but a couple of points:

- There has not been a leaked set of prints showing Dumbo in the south position. As has already been pointed out, the one floating around here is fan made.
Prints showing Dumbo in it's new spot do exist cool but have not been...umm....approved for release to the web yet.

- Speedway will not need to be altered for Dumbo. Dumbo's tent will sit nicely between the Speedway and Barnstormer.

- Yes...Speedway needs to go. I'm personally still in favor of a version of Aquatopia taking it's place.

Welcome back!

I personally have never ridden the Speedway and I don't plan on it either. I can ride the same exact ride at the cheap little "theme" park 20 minutes down the road. I didn't even really like those rides as a kid. So, as far as I'm concerned, replace it with something more beautiful and less stinky, appealing to EVERYONE.

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

Ok....I'm back.:wave:

I haven't read very far back, but a couple of points:

- There has not been a leaked set of prints showing Dumbo in the south position. As has already been pointed out, the one floating around here is fan made.
Prints showing Dumbo in it's new spot do exist cool but have not been...umm....approved for release to the web yet.

- Speedway will not need to be altered for Dumbo. Dumbo's tent will sit nicely between the Speedway and Barnstormer.

- Yes...Speedway needs to go. I'm personally still in favor of a version of Aquatopia taking it's place.

Welcome back Lee!

Do you know when it is that it will be approved?

 

[jt04]

Found it, definitely an edit

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=3749064&postcount=941

I knew it! Yes that is it but it is cropped at the bottom where you could see the change to the raceway. EVERYTHING is original except for the edited part at the top which is very obvious. The Dumbo was in that area when the first leak happened. That is the originally leaked print whic Disney tried and failed ultimitely to clear from the internet. They finally 'leaked' the one we all see everywhere now. So did they censor the original print because it was the first leaked and because it reflected the actual plan and then released the one we all know to throw everyone off the scent? My bet is yes.

Ok....I'm back.:wave:

I haven't read very far back, but a couple of points:

- There has not been a leaked set of prints showing Dumbo in the south position. As has already been pointed out, the one floating around here is fan made. Sorry Lee but you are wrong as explained above. I'm certain.
Prints showing Dumbo in it's new spot do exist cool but have not been...umm....approved for release to the web yet.

Wrong, they managed to pull that plan back. Cause it is the real one I think and you now confirm.

- Speedway will not need to be altered for Dumbo. Dumbo's tent will sit nicely between the Speedway and Barnstormer.

Exactly. Some people here need to stop doubting me.:animwink:

There are construction walls up at the speedway. Define altered. Because the change was very slight on the blueprint.

- Yes...Speedway needs to go. I'm personally still in favor of a version of Aquatopia taking it's place.

On that we agree! Speedway needs to go! :wave:

 

[SeaCastle]

I knew it! Yes that is it but it is cropped at the bottom where you could see the change to the raceway. EVERYTHING is original except for the edited part at the top which is very obvious. The Dumbo was in that area when the first leak happened. That is the originally leaked print whic Disney tried and failed ultimitely to clear from the internet. They finally 'leaked' the one we all see everywhere now. So did they censor the original print because it was the first leaked and because it reflected the actual plan and then released the one we all know to throw everyone off the scent? My bet is yes.



Sorry Lee but you are wrong as explained above. I'm certain.
Prints showing Dumbo in it's new spot do exist () but have not been...umm....approved for release to the web yet.

Wrong, they managed to pull that plan back. Cause it is the real one I think and you now confirm.

Do you notice how you're the only one who "remembers" these blueprints? It's interesting you would know better about leaked plans than an insider that's been around here for eight years. I'm filing this one under "Things jt04 Makes Up", right there next to the Great Pleasure Island Closure Conspiracy Theory and "Pixie Hollow is definitely coming. Mark my words."

 

[Lee]

I knew it! Yes that is it but it is cropped at the bottom where you could see the change to the raceway. EVERYTHING is original except for the edited part at the top which is very obvious. The Dumbo was in that area when the first leak happened. That is the originally leaked print whic Disney tried and failed ultimitely to clear from the internet. They finally 'leaked' the one we all see everywhere now. So did they censor the original print because it was the first leaked and because it reflected the actual plan and then released the one we all know to throw everyone off the scent? My bet is yes.

Umm.....no.
The print linked to is an edit made by Exprcoofto, as stated in the actual post.
He edited it to move Dumbo down by the Speedway, which he clearly states that he removed to make Dumbo fit. That version is not an actual Disney print, but is just his edit of the original one that was leaked. He wanted to create an edit to match the art.

There have been two sets of prints leaked to the public. The original one, on which that edit was based, and the drainage schematics which are identical.

The prints that show Dumbo by the Speedway have not gone public. But they reflect the same layout as the concept art, and label some more items.
(And no....I can't post them now.)

Again, Speedway will not be altered to fit Dumbo. That has never been the plan.
The Dumbo tent fits right in between Barnstormer and that curve in the Speedway track. The Dumbo ride mechanisms sit just above and left of the Speedway curve.

 

[jt04]

Do you notice how you're the only one who "remembers" these blueprints? It's interesting you would know better about leaked plans than an insider that's been around here for eight years. I'm filing this one under "Things jt04 Makes Up", right there next to the Great Pleasure Island Closure Conspiracy Theory and "Pixie Hollow is definitely coming. Mark my words."

Let's see, that insider that has "been around here 8 years" confirms that Dumbo is going by the raceway yet we are supposed to believe Disney is just winging it and has no blueprint? :shrug:


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :lol:


They had them and they were leaked. I even remember PH being on the plan without the flat ride. Just like Lee has said. The only question is whether PH has been scaled back or canceled completely. Disney seems determined to not let leak what their plan is.

Please don't forget all our insiders absolutely claimed nothing new was coming to the MK just before the blueprint leaked. Sometimes they carry water for the mouse. Lee just may be an innocent unwitting conscript. :lol:

 

[wm49rs]

Umm.....no.
The print linked to is an edit made by Exprcoofto, as stated in the actual post.
He edited it to move Dumbo down by the Speedway, which he clearly states that he removed to make Dumbo fit. That version is not an actual Disney print, but is just his edit of the original one that was leaked. He wanted to create an edit to match the art.

There have been two sets of prints leaked to the public. The original one, on which that edit was based, and the drainage schematics which are identical.

The prints that show Dumbo by the Speedway have not gone public. But they reflect the same layout as the concept art, and label some more items.
(And no....I can't post them now.)

Again, Speedway will not be altered to fit Dumbo. That has never been the plan.
The Dumbo tent fits right in between Barnstormer and that curve in the Speedway track. The Dumbo ride mechanisms sit just above and left of the Speedway curve.

Not to veer course from your berating of Jt, and I hope you had a nice vacation, but thank G#d you're back to keep things sane.

 

[jt04]

Umm.....no.
The print linked to is an edit made by Exprcoofto, as stated in the actual post.
He edited it to move Dumbo down by the Speedway, which he clearly states that he removed to make Dumbo fit. That version is not an actual Disney print, but is just his edit of the original one that was leaked. He wanted to create an edit to match the art.

There have been two sets of prints leaked to the public. The original one, on which that edit was based, and the drainage schematics which are identical.

The prints that show Dumbo by the Speedway have not gone public. But they reflect the same layout as the concept art, and label some more items.
(And no....I can't post them now.) Don't worry, something tells me someone has them.
Again, Speedway will not be altered to fit Dumbo. That has never been the plan.
The Dumbo tent fits right in between Barnstormer and that curve in the Speedway track. The Dumbo ride mechanisms sit just above and left of the Speedway curve.

Um no. Sorry but my memory is just too good. :wave:

 

[SeaCastle]

Umm.....no.
The print linked to is an edit made by Exprcoofto, as stated in the actual post.
He edited it to move Dumbo down by the Speedway, which he clearly states that he removed to make Dumbo fit. That version is not an actual Disney print, but is just his edit of the original one that was leaked. He wanted to create an edit to match the art.

There have been two sets of prints leaked to the public. The original one, on which that edit was based, and the drainage schematics which are identical.

The prints that show Dumbo by the Speedway have not gone public. But they reflect the same layout as the concept art, and label some more items.
(And no....I can't post them now.)

Again, Speedway will not be altered to fit Dumbo. That has never been the plan.
The Dumbo tent fits right in between Barnstormer and that curve in the Speedway track. The Dumbo ride mechanisms sit just above and left of the Speedway curve.

Let's see, that insider that has "been around here 8 years" confirms that Dumbo is going by the raceway yet we are supposed to believe Disney is just winging it and has no blueprint? :shrug:


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :lol:


They had them and they were leaked. I even remember PH being on the plan without the flat ride. Just like Lee has said. The only question is whether PH has been scaled back or canceled completely. Disney seems determined to not let leak what their plan is.

Please don't forget all our insiders absolutely claimed nothing new was coming to the MK just before the blueprint leaked. Sometimes they carry water for the mouse. Lee just may be an innocent unwitting conscript. :lol:

Of course Disney has the new blueprints. They just haven't been leaked (except to you).

You're now saying the question is whether or not PH is scaled back or cut completely, but until now you've insisted PH definitely is happening, despite having no inside knowledge. Care to explain that one, or do you need a bigger shovel to dig that hole?

Um no. Sorry but my memory is just too good. :wave:

But not good enough to tell us where they were posted, who posted them, or how to use the search function on the website....

 

[Lee]

Let's see, that insider that has "been around here 8 years" confirms that Dumbo is going by the raceway yet we are supposed to believe Disney is just winging it and has no blueprint?

Of course they have a blueprint.
I'm looking at one right now, and no...it has not been on the net.

They had them and they were leaked. I even remember PH being on the plan without the flat ride. Just like Lee has said. The only question is whether PH has been scaled back or canceled completely. Disney seems determined to not let leak what their plan is.

See the attachments. Those are the only leaked prints that show FLE east. There have been multiple sets after those. The latest ones I have are nearly a year old and show Dumbo by Speedway, with PH north of it with the Bobble and Clank ride and multiple M&Gs.

Please don't forget all our insiders absolutely claimed nothing new was coming to the MK just before the blueprint leaked. Sometimes they carry water for the mouse. Lee just may be an innocent unwitting conscript. :lol:

In this case, I am certainly not an unwitting anything.

Um no. Sorry but my memory is just too good. :wave:

If there are other prints....link or post.

 

[IlikeDW]

Umm.....no.
The print linked to is an edit made by Exprcoofto, as stated in the actual post.
He edited it to move Dumbo down by the Speedway, which he clearly states that he removed to make Dumbo fit. That version is not an actual Disney print, but is just his edit of the original one that was leaked. He wanted to create an edit to match the art.

There have been two sets of prints leaked to the public. The original one, on which that edit was based, and the drainage schematics which are identical.

The prints that show Dumbo by the Speedway have not gone public. But they reflect the same layout as the concept art, and label some more items.
(And no....I can't post them now.)

Again, Speedway will not be altered to fit Dumbo. That has never been the plan.
The Dumbo tent fits right in between Barnstormer and that curve in the Speedway track. The Dumbo ride mechanisms sit just above and left of the Speedway curve.

Willing to bet you wish you had not come back yet. :hammer:
As always thanks for keeping it "real"

 

[jt04]

Of course Disney has the new blueprints. They just haven't been leaked (except to you).

Lee just admitted he has them. :lol: :brick:

You're now saying the question is whether or not PH is scaled back or cut completely, but until now you've insisted PH definitely is happening, despite having no inside knowledge. Care to explain that one, or do you need a bigger shovel to dig that hole?

The blueprint showed PH without the flat ride. Lee could be right and they decided to scrap it. But as I clearly said, sometimes the insiders help the mouse as was so plainly demonstrated last year.


But not good enough to tell us where they were posted, who posted them, or how to use the search function on the website....

They were here for one but were continually deleted until Steve had permission to post the FLE stuff. Which he did but not before they had magically transmorgified.

 

[jt04]

Of course they have a blueprint.
I'm looking at one right now, and no...it has not been on the net.


See the attachments. Those are the only leaked prints that show FLE east. There have been multiple sets after those. The latest ones I have are nearly a year old and show Dumbo by Speedway, with PH north of it with the Bobble and Clank ride and multiple M&Gs.


In this case, I am certainly not an unwitting anything.


If there are other prints....link or post.

The blueprint I saw did not have the flat ride but did have the m&g's.

All that matters is that I said there were a set of prints that showed Dumbo by the raceway. I was doubted. You confirmed they in fact exist and you have a copy.

Now how would I know unless I had seen them also?:shrug:

I rest my case.

Case closed.

Goodnight. Cat Cora is on Iron Chef tonight.

 

[Lee]

Lee just admitted he has them.

Yes. I have some. But as I said, they have not been leaked onto the net, and can not be found no matter how much you Google it.:lol:

They were here for one but were continually deleted until Steve had permission to post the FLE stuff. Which he did but not before they had magically transmorgified.

Nope.
The ones I attached above, on the left, were the same ones that were originally leaked (via Stitch Kingdom if I recall correctly).
They were pulled at first, then spread so fast there was no containing them.

The blueprint I saw did not have the flat ride but did have the m&g's.

Yeah. Just like the one I posted above. No ride, just M&Gs and a play area.

Now how would I know unless I had seen them also?:shrug:

Because you are confusing the edited original that was re-posted a page or so back. Honestly, the only version that has gone public has Dumbo in the north, and PH with no ride.
The one I have is dated much later than the originals were leaked. You haven't seen them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They were here for one but were continually deleted until Steve had permission to post the FLE stuff. Which he did but not before they had magically transmorgified.

The only problem with this point is that WDWMagic is not the only Disney fan site. While Steve was here repeatedly deleting the images and threads, they were already spreading on other sites.

Now how would I know unless I had seen them also?:shrug:

Because the concept art shows Dumbo there and Disney is a modern company involved in building.