What does "The Little Mermaid" have to do with California?

Stevek

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But how can the Little Mermaid ride get a free pass while Frozen Ever After doesn't? Where are the complaints about thematic inconsistencies?
In today's Epcot, I really don't have any issues with Frozen being in Norway anymore than I do Ratatouille being in France. Literally nobody outside of our sometimes overly fanatical fanbase cares. Little Becky from Georgia gives zero you know what's about the Frozen characters not being from Norway. 99% of guests enjoy the attraction and think it fits thematically if not geographically.
 

Professortango1

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In today's Epcot, I really don't have any issues with Frozen being in Norway anymore than I do Ratatouille being in France. Literally nobody outside of our sometimes overly fanatical fanbase cares. Little Becky from Georgia gives zero you know what's about the Frozen characters not being from Norway. 99% of guests enjoy the attraction and think it fits thematically if not geographically.
Yes, but little Becky from Georgia also wouldn't care if Disney plopped down some steel coasters over the land or if themed lands faded away into movie IP attractions placed willy-nilly. People would still come and buy tickets and wait in line. But the experience would be lessened.
 

Stevek

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Yes, but little Becky from Georgia also wouldn't care if Disney plopped down some steel coasters over the land or if themed lands faded away into movie IP attractions placed willy-nilly. People would still come and buy tickets and wait in line. But the experience would be lessened.
Steel coasters is one thing, putting IP into a dark ride is very different when you can still make a link thematically.

Lessened for who? People on this board probably. Though I've seen plenty of the more invested fans that think the Rat is great (I think it's terrible). Again, most visitors don't care as long as they feel entertained. I'm not saying the decisions they make are always right, but for they market to the average everyday guest that is just fine with IP experiences and a move away from classic Epcot. I would love to have the opportunity to experience the original Epcot with Horizons and WoM but you all know as well as I do that those attractions were no longer popular with the every day guest...just like Adventures Thru Inner Space was no longer popular out here despite some folks thinking it was the greatest attraction ever.
 

Professortango1

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Steel coasters is one thing, putting IP into a dark ride is very different when you can still make a link thematically.

Lessened for who? People on this board probably. Though I've seen plenty of the more invested fans that think the Rat is great (I think it's terrible). Again, most visitors don't care as long as they feel entertained. I'm not saying the decisions they make are always right, but for they market to the average everyday guest that is just fine with IP experiences and a move away from classic Epcot. I would love to have the opportunity to experience the original Epcot with Horizons and WoM but you all know as well as I do that those attractions were no longer popular with the every day guest...just like Adventures Thru Inner Space was no longer popular out here despite some folks thinking it was the greatest attraction ever.
I think having an Iron Man attraction jammed between Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion with a Zootopia ride going into the Carousel Theatre would lessen the artistry of Disneyland.
 

_caleb

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I think having an Iron Man attraction jammed between Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion with a Zootopia ride going into the Carousel Theatre would lessen the artistry of Disneyland.
I agree. And I think even the ignorant masses would–at least at some level–notice.
 

Stevek

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I think having an Iron Man attraction jammed between Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion with a Zootopia ride going into the Carousel Theatre would lessen the artistry of Disneyland.
I don't think Disney would ever put an Iron Man attraction between Pirates and Mansion. There is zero connection thematically whereas one can easily link Frozen to a pavillion focused on a country known for very cold weather.
 

_caleb

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I have 5 large attraction posters framed on my wall...ATIS is one of them to give you an indication of how much I enjoyed the ride.
When I'm in the Star Tours queue, I still see the Monsanto Mighty Microscope.

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Professortango1

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I don't think Disney would ever put an Iron Man attraction between Pirates and Mansion. There is zero connection thematically whereas one can easily link Frozen to a pavillion focused on a country known for very cold weather.
My point is that the general public wouldn't mind. They are okay with fun attractions shoved wherever they physically fit. However, it does diminish from the standard Disney created.

And I also would never of thought that we'd get a completely unrelated superhero coaster in Epcot or a random Space Oil Refinery in Hollywoodland or Zootopia in Animal Kingdom, yet here we are.

Disney has been declining by degrees in terms of keeping consistent. Fantasmic replaced Peter Pan with Pirates despite the fact the show features 100% animated characters and properties....but people like POTC so shove it in! Disney has been shrugging and saying "but people like it" to excuse a lot of their decisions that go against the standards they once held.
 

flynnibus

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  • Paradise Pier was meant to be a throw back to sea side amusements
  • dark rides are part of that past
  • the exterior and approach to the attraction were all kept consistent with the Paradise Pier setting and styling consistent with the presence/stature key amusement parks from the past tried to create
  • Amusement Parks PP was emulating are a mix of attractions and themes... the attraction is intended to work in Paradise Pier.. not be California alone.
  • By this period, Disney had thankfully given up on all the California Puns and double entendre that so much of DCA v1.0 was staged with
  • The play of TLM being a tale about the sea makes putting it on the water front a bit of a play on settings. Hence the water theme of the building still plays into the pier setting

So it should never have been 'what does this have to do with California?' -- It's about 'Does it fit with Paradise Pier?'

And as others have said, everyone was so over what DCA v1 was, the idea of having a well done exterior and new attraction that ALSO threw back to Disney classic dark rides AND a film from the renaissance period... all made everyone excited to have a TLM attraction in place of the Whoopi dome it replaced.
 

DavidDL

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I like them both. 🤷‍♂️ Though I think Frozen Ever After is the better attraction.

Mermaid doesn't have much to do with CA on its own, but it feels thematically appropriate in a larger area that does. It's a clever way of integrating IP into an area without it feeling like they're trying to jam a square peg into a round hole.

Like most people when it was announced, I was upset with the idea of Frozen Ever After but after actually riding it, I found it hard to dislike. I suppose I can see why its inclusion makes others upset but as long as the greater showcase being discussed still feels like Norway, Mexico, United Kingdom, etc., and not Arendelle, Santa Cecilia, Hundred Acre Wood, etc. then I'm cool with it.

If infused properly, those "Disney" themed attractions sort of kind of make you think about how the general culture or people from an area have inspired the art of film and how through it, we are able to share our cultures and stories with one another in a way that's fun and accessible. -and at the end of the day, isn't that what World Showcase is really all about?

Of course, the inclusion of something like Frozen Ever After or Remy's Ratatoullie Adventure pushes merch and digital subscriptions for Disney, it's true. But if it also inspires even a handful of people a day do want to see Norway or Paris for themselves someday too, then I'd argue they're fitting right in.
 
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truecoat

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I'm pretty sure I read an interview with an Imagineer about California's longstanding bongo culture and there's an octopus playing bongos in the ride.
 

LittleMerman

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Not every single thing has to fit perfectly into a themed land or park. I know Disney is a theme park and does it the best, etc., etc., but it's not always feasible. As long as there's a light connect, I'm fine with it. Most people really don't care and just enjoy what's there for what it is. What does Harry Potter have to do with islands? But it's there any highly successful and very fun.
 

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