What caused them to do a ride (Splash Mountain) based on a movie they weren't releasing?

21stamps

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I'm surprised your child's school doesn't have any kids attending on vouchers, then.

I think you missed the point of my post.lol.

But anyway, I won't get into a voucher conversation. It is irrelevant to the topic at hand. I will say that just because a school doesn't accept them, has nothing to do with their ability to teach history. I'll leave it at that.

The point was- watching an old Disney movie, or a ride based on a movie..doesn't have to equate to 'something bad'...as long as we teach children about real history, outside of the "movies". No one has attacked the public library system/Hoopla for still showing it.
 
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larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
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I think you missed the point of my post.lol.

But anyway, I won't get into a voucher conversation. I will say that just because a school doesn't accept them, has nothing to do with their ability to teach history...and it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. I'll leave it at that.

The point was- watching an old Disney movie, or a ride based on a movie, isn't something that is "bad", as long as we educate children on the past..outside of the "movies".
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against vouchers. In my area, the local school system has been vouchering kids into the Catholic school system for some time... and nobody seems too upset by it. And it does tend to diversify the schools.
 

21stamps

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Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against vouchers. In my area, the local school system has been vouchering kids into the Catholic school system for some time... and nobody seems too upset by it. And it does tend to diversify the schools.
Schools are not required to accept it. Same with early learning. A state or city can not create a mandate to do so.
Vouchers have nothing to do with my post.lol
We just happen to live in a very non diverse area (suburb/outerburb) of our city..which is strange for me bc we moved here from an extremely diverse area...we have a wonderful public school system, which yeah that's a little more diverse..and those kids don't need vouchers anyway. I think here you have to live in a failing school system to get one. The actual "city public school system" is a completely different story than a lot of school districts in the suburbs/townships, but still no one can mandate what private school has to accept what form of payment. A state having the ability to pass such a law would completely contradict the "private". If schools in your area are doing so, it's because the private school made the decision to accept them, maybe their attendance is down, maybe there isn't a waiting list.. Either way, it's not because the city forced them to.
Again though, none of this is relevant to my original post.
I edited that comment bc apparently I shouldn't have said the type of school that we attend. Lesson learned.lol
 
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BasiltheBatLord

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I'm amazed this thread hasn't been locked yet, given the train wreck it immediately became after the first post,

But I just wanted to add that this topic (Why was Splash Mountain themed after a movie Disney deliberately wants to suppress) has always been one of the great Imagineering mysteries to me. I understand the practical reasons why it was themed to SotS (it was largely due to America Sings), but I would've imagined that higher-ups would have nixed the idea from Imagineering as soon as they brought up Song of the South. I'm really glad they didn't though, because Splash Mountain has been SotS's sole lifeline of relevancy and visibility for the last 30 years or so.
 

HMF

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I'm amazed this thread hasn't been locked yet, given the train wreck it immediately became after the first post,

But I just wanted to add that this topic (Why was Splash Mountain themed after a movie Disney deliberately wants to suppress) has always been one of the great Imagineering mysteries to me. I understand the practical reasons why it was themed to SotS (it was largely due to America Sings), but I would've imagined that higher-ups would have nixed the idea from Imagineering as soon as they brought up Song of the South. I'm really glad they didn't though, because Splash Mountain has been SotS's sole lifeline of relevancy and visibility for the last 30 years or so.
Keep in mind the concept of Splash Mountain came before Disney had dis-owned Song of the South.
 

Minnie1976

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The story of Brer Rabbit originated from the slaves at Laura Plantation in St. James Parish in Louisiana. These stories were used by the slaves to teach their children. Alcee Fortier from Tulane University recorded the folktales of Brer Rabbit or in French Compare Lapin from West African slave descendants. If you know the history of the Brer Rabbit and from the people whose tales these belong maybe some people wouldn't be so upset about it. It is called history and this is why it is important to know the history or origins.
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Chef Mickey

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Slavery is a part of history that existed a lot more places and a lot longer in the past than what you read about white/black slavery in the south of the US in the 1800s.

That said, I don't see Splash Mountain as anything but a great ride very loosely based on a movie that's since been largely forgotten.

People are too sensitive. Most the sitcoms playing in 50s Prime Time Cafe were not only racist but completely ridiculous in their portrayal of women. Should we close that too?

I look at all these things as part of history. We progress as a society and are smarter today than yesterday. History needs to be discussed and appreciated so the bad parts don't repeat themselves.
 

Matt_Black

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Slavery is a part of history that existed a lot more places and a lot longer in the past than what you read about white/black slavery in the south of the US in the 1800s.

Very true, BUT as practiced in the Antebellum South, there were some key differences that made it very bad. For instance, traditionally, like in Roman times, children of slaves were NOT considered slaves. Not so in the South, where children of slaves were slaves as well. Furthermore, laws were changed to make this more beneficial to slave owners. It used to be that lineage was traced through the father, but in the case of slaves the law stated that lineage was traced through the mother. I will not go into details of how the slave owners took advantage of this on a family board, but most of you probably have an idea.
 

Chef Mickey

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Very true, BUT as practiced in the Antebellum South, there were some key differences that made it very bad. For instance, traditionally, like in Roman times, children of slaves were NOT considered slaves. Not so in the South, where children of slaves were slaves as well. Furthermore, laws were changed to make this more beneficial to slave owners. It used to be that lineage was traced through the father, but in the case of slaves the law stated that lineage was traced through the mother. I will not go into details of how the slave owners took advantage of this on a family board, but most of you probably have an idea.
We can go over the finer points of slavery, but it has existed in varying and worse forms since humans evolved. The worst parts of are largely undocumented and go back far earlier than US slavery. Racism and slavery has pretty much focused on the white/black dynamic but slavery and racism (even today) spans all cultures. Despite what the media tells you, America is headed in the right direction to banish these ideas. The rest of the world has a lot of catching up to do in terms of tolerance, racism, and education on differences.

My original point was that Song of the South and others just show a different time that we have since largely progressed beyond. People making the leap that Splash Mountain is based on racism is like saying 50s Prime time Cafe is based on anti Feminism and sets women's rights back 60 years.
 

The Empress Lilly

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You can buy Song of the South on Amazon.co.uk. On VHS, sadly, not on DVD. Release date 2000.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-South...=1488741554&sr=8-1&keywords=song+of+the+south

I got bored watching SotS, so I never finished watching all of it. But from the part I saw, Disney avoids touching any of the more self-explanatory touchy subjects. From what I understand the source of current unease is not what you see (you wouldn't film it like that today but otherwise it seemed fine), but what you don't see. I guess one could deem the very omittance insensitive. A case could also be made that former slavery is not the whole history of late 19th century African-Americans, just like other people they had normal lives in which they fell in love and made friends and told stories, which can be put to film.

~ SSE never mentions how the Romans built their roads by genocide and enslavement of my ancestors ~
 

21stamps

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You can buy Song of the South on Amazon.co.uk. On VHS, sadly, not on DVD. Release date 2000.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-South...=1488741554&sr=8-1&keywords=song+of+the+south

I got bored watching SotS, so I never finished watching all of it. But from the part I saw, Disney avoids touching any of the more self-explanatory touchy subjects. From what I understand the source of current unease is not what you see (you wouldn't film it like that today but otherwise it seemed fine), but what you don't see. I guess one could deem the very omittance insensitive. A case could also be made that former slavery is not the whole history of late 19th century African-Americans, just like other people they had normal lives in which they fell in love and made friends and told stories, which can be put to film.

~ SSE never mentions how the Romans built their roads by genocide and enslavement of my ancestors ~

Yep.

The movie is available at the public library (in the US)and on their app. I'm a huge fan of libraries anyway, but if people like old Disney movies.. the app has a ton of them. Great bonus :)
 

Chef Mickey

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If you ignore the fact that many companies in this country use prison labor, and coincidentally enough, many of those same companies have lobbyists who push for harsher sentencing for even minor offenses.
America easily has the best and fairest judicial system that works way more often than not. Frankly, I don't feel sorry for whatever anyone in American prisons has to do to serve their time.

Most people in prison are there because they did something wrong, probably multiple times.
 

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