WDW literally falling apart

[mysto]

We're staying at the old key west. Going to be interesting because it's a big group this time.
We are really "go with the flow" type of family so something not quite right doesn't send us into a meltdown.

Lol but I'm the gal that got stuck in the middle of a Hurricane in Jamaica on her honeymoon

That actually sounds romantic.

 

[eliza61nyc]

elize where have you been lately, traveling the world? --nice to see you back

checking a few things off my bucket list. Did the El Camino de Santiago in Spain only to realize that , that might not have been the smartest vacation pick with bad knees

 

[eliza61nyc]

I was practically raised on Disney, and have great memories of its past, so I’ve been a Disney fan all my life (I’m 60). And, so have our 3 grown children and two young granddaughters. That’s, actually, the issue to me…Walt Disney set the bar very high decades ago, and he demanded that from everyone else in the company.
Why should we settle for less now…?!
Pretty sure (and I’ve read 7 Walt biographies) he wanted the bar set higher and higher, because he knew from experience that motivated people could do so. I know, Walt’s vision of the future was unrealistic, right…?! Why is exceeding excellence with more excellence unrealistic…?!?!?!
Sorry, but, it just blows my mind why people are making excuses for how, these days, not only has Disney not at least maintained the bar, but they haven’t even come close to “plussing” it, as Walt would say.
The guys who came directly after Walt (John Hench, Marty Sklar, etc.) did a lot a plussing. I get what you are saying, to a point. But, why should we settle for less for more now…?!

I don't think of it so much as making excuse just different expectations. My experience with early WDW are the exactl opposite of yours. We went to disney as kids 1 time. my entire family hated it with the heat of 10 suns. when we went it was only MK and Epcot but my family found it boring, expensive and tacky, lol we're NY'ers and we kept saying how we probably could have just gone to Coney Island and saved the money.
Now I've never been one of those that measure stuff by how it was 20-30 years ago. How would I travel if I did? I'm firmly in 65 ville. Do you remember air travel back in the day? Forget the security aspect of it, simply the comfortable seats, halfway decent snacks and not being charge to get in line, pick a seat, check a bag. So I'm more of the "what is being offered today and what's being offered today by the alternatives".
Another example is Genie plus and LL, for us older guys we hate it but seriously the 40 somethings I know with small kids?? love it. As my old boss says "I will pay any amount of money NOT to wait in line with 3 kids" so for her, she really doesn't care that 10 years ago there was fp+, for her she can buy her way into an easier time.

I guess my point is that it's not so much as "making excuses" as people have different perspectives on the same experience.
But I absolutely get some aspects of folks anger, I do think the big wigs treat the parks as an after thought and a lot can be done to make folks happy. even though I didn't use Disney express, I do think eliminating it was a crappy move

 

[WondersOfLife]

1975 -1989. Just sayin'

2000 - 2008. Just sayin'

Ellen, Food Rocks, Wonders of Life, Maelstrom, and living during 90s nostalgia as a 1998 baby was all so amazing. Lol.

 

[SteveAZee]

I think the issues is balance. One issue, IMO is the majority of folks here live in the past. They lovingly look back at some magical heyday of Disney world and nothing will ever compare. New rides are never good enough, resort upgrades are horrible, imagineers aren't as good etc etc.
And the site is getting the reputation of not having valuable information but just whining.
Lastly, it's funny how now any good piece of news will be flipped into a complaint. Lol look at the thread about less crowded parks. Something that one would think would be positive, oh no, not here.
What I don't get is why folks that have ZERO good to say about any place continue to go and continue to hang out at a supposed fansite?

I'm a huge wdw fan, love going and try to visit as much as my coins let me. If I get to the point where I start complaining about a light bulb being out in a sign.....time for me to rethink my choices.

My view is that while it's true that anything Disney does will draw someone's negative comments. It will also draw some positive ones too. I think on these boards there are some that are often negative and some that are most of the time positive, but I think most of us here are a mixed bag.

I think sometimes it FEELS like anything they do draws fire because yeah, some non-zero number of people will find problems with it and post it on the board, but it's hard to really measure whether it's just one, some, many, or most people feel the same way.

 

[Magenta Panther]

My view is that while it's true that anything Disney does will draw someone's negative comments. It will also draw some positive ones too. I think on these boards there are some that are often negative and some that are most of the time positive, but I think most of us here are a mixed bag.

I think sometimes it FEELS like anything they do draws fire because yeah, some non-zero number of people will find problems with it and post it on the board, but it's hard to really measure whether it's just one, some, many, or most people feel the same way.

Take a look at recent park attendance numbers. That's a pretty good measure IMO.

 

[SteveAZee]

Take a look at recent park attendance numbers. That's a pretty good measure IMO.

I'm mostly referring to the sense (on this board) that people are overwhelmingly negative on Disney... and yes that involves the parks. Honestly, I hope the park attendance numbers stay low since I'll be there in early December.

As a SWAG, I'd say there's definitely a shift (on the board) to more and more negative comments... deservedly so for a lot of reasons listed elsewhere... maybe from 80% positive to 20% negative from, say, a decade ago to more like 40/60 now or worse... most of that being $, second most is show quality... which also comes back to $.

 

[donaldtoo]

I don't think of it so much as making excuse just different expectations. My experience with early WDW are the exactl opposite of yours. We went to disney as kids 1 time. my entire family hated it with the heat of 10 suns. when we went it was only MK and Epcot but my family found it boring, expensive and tacky, lol we're NY'ers and we kept saying how we probably could have just gone to Coney Island and saved the money.
Now I've never been one of those that measure stuff by how it was 20-30 years ago. How would I travel if I did? I'm firmly in 65 ville. Do you remember air travel back in the day? Forget the security aspect of it, simply the comfortable seats, halfway decent snacks and not being charge to get in line, pick a seat, check a bag. So I'm more of the "what is being offered today and what's being offered today by the alternatives".
Another example is Genie plus and LL, for us older guys we hate it but seriously the 40 somethings I know with small kids?? love it. As my old boss says "I will pay any amount of money NOT to wait in line with 3 kids" so for her, she really doesn't care that 10 years ago there was fp+, for her she can buy her way into an easier time.

I guess my point is that it's not so much as "making excuses" as people have different perspectives on the same experience.
But I absolutely get some aspects of folks anger, I do think the big wigs treat the parks as an after thought and a lot can be done to make folks happy. even though I didn't use Disney express, I do think eliminating it was a crappy move

Yea, I get the fact that we all come from different backgrounds and experiences, and that shapes our perspectives on different aspects of life. I just firmly believe that if you’re gonna’ set a high bar the least you can do is maintain it. Hopefully, you set it higher from time to time. IMO, many things that are referred to as progress are actually regress.

As far as flying back in the day goes…
We lived in Huntsville, Alabama from ‘66-‘68, and flew back to Texas twice to visit family. I don’t remember much about those 2 trips, other than the fact that there were DC-3s and Lockheed Constellations involved (I love planes and flying in general)…!!!!!
The first 3 summers we lived in No Cal (we lived there from ‘68-‘76) we also flew back to Texas.
Those flights I remember well…Boeing 707s…
All dressed up in my dress shirt, dress shoes, khakis, and blue blazer, gettin my wings from the Captain, chicken a la king meal…good times…!!!
After that, my folks bought a truck with a huge camper on it, that we traveled to and from Texas every summer in ‘til we moved back to Texas in ‘76. Darn thing didn’t even have A/C…and all those trips were through the desert southwest in the middle of summer…!!!!!

Sorry, probably way too much info that you didn’t care to know, but, it’s half-day Friday and I got on a roll…!!!!!

 

[eliza61nyc]

Yea, I get the fact that we all come from different backgrounds and experiences, and that shapes our perspectives on different aspects of life. I just firmly believe that if you’re gonna’ set a high bar the least you can do is maintain it. Hopefully, you set it higher from time to time. IMO, many things that are referred to as progress are actually regress.

As far as flying back in the day goes…
We lived in Huntsville, Alabama from ‘66-‘68, and flew back to Texas twice to visit family. I don’t remember much about those 2 trips, other than the fact that there were DC-3s and Lockheed Constellations involved (I love planes and flying in general)…!!!!!
The first 3 summers we lived in No Cal (we lived there from ‘68-‘76) we also flew back to Texas.
Those flights I remember well…Boeing 707s…
All dressed up in my dress shirt, dress shoes, khakis, and blue blazer, gettin my wings from the Captain, chicken a la king meal…good times…!!!
After that, my folks bought a truck with a huge camper on it, that we traveled to and from Texas every summer in ‘til we moved back to Texas in ‘76. Darn thing didn’t even have A/C…and all those trips were through the desert southwest in the middle of summer…!!!!!

Sorry, probably way too much info that you didn’t care to know, but, it’s half-day Friday and I got on a roll…!!!!!

Not at all, I enjoy reading folks experiences and memories. Lol I too remember those "no air" summer vacations

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Sitting in traffic, 1 mile from the beach and the bridge is up…oh yeah, the hot light just came on the dashboard…aah, good times…lol

 

[WaltsTreasureChest]

Sitting in traffic, 1 mile from the beach and the bridge is up…oh yeah, the hot light just came on the 𝗱𝗮𝘀𝗵𝗯𝗼𝗮𝗿𝗱…aah, good times…lol

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Yup, sittin’ in that traffic, you’re not driving like a “Bat Outta Hell”…

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Staying with the car anology. No it's more like you buy the dinged up car, whine about the dings and when something does get fixed you whine about that not being the way it was 20 years ago AND every conversation not even on that topic you (general use of you) morph into the familiar rant about the ding, the ceo of car company, how Henry Ford is turning over in his grave AND you continue to go to the same dealer and get condescending to people who have great experiences with the dinged up car . Lol for example the familiar inference that folks who stay on-site are obviously to uneducated to realize off site is better and that Disney is ripping them off.

Egad...

You post this same rant at least once a week....

 

[DisAl]

Staying with the car anology. No it's more like you buy the dinged up car, whine about the dings and when something does get fixed you whine about that not being the way it was 20 years ago AND every conversation not even on that topic you (general use of you) morph into the familiar rant about the ding, the ceo of car company, how Henry Ford is turning over in his grave AND you continue to go to the same dealer and get condescending to people who have great experiences with the dinged up car . Lol for example the familiar inference that folks who stay on-site are obviously to uneducated to realize off site is better and that Disney is ripping them off.

If you are going to use a car analogy consider that Disney is a RENTAL car. If I rent a car for a period of time I expect it to be clean, dent free, well maintained and operating properly. WDW is none of these right now.

 

[3WaltFans]

If you are going to use a car analogy consider that Disney is a RENTAL car. If I rent a car for a period of time I expect it to be clean, dent free, well maintained and operating properly. WDW is none of these right now.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Egad...

You post this same rant at least once a week....

lol oh yeah I'm posting the same rant...... pot meet kettle. Change the same tired "Disney is horrible, I wish it was 1985" weekly post and you'll get a different answer.

lol but I do always say, If I had a dollar for every one of these type threads I'd be very rich and the price of Disney wouldn't matter.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

lol oh yeah I'm posting the same rant...... pot meet kettle. Change the same tired "Disney is horrible, I wish it was 1985" daily post and you'll get a different answer.

lol but as I do always say, If I had a dollar for every one of these type threads I'd be very rich and the price of Disney would matter.

Wouldn't ?

 

[eliza61nyc]

Wouldn't ?

thanks

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

thanks

 

[lazyboy97o]

lol oh yeah I'm posting the same rant...... pot meet kettle. Change the same tired "Disney is horrible, I wish it was 1985" weekly post and you'll get a different answer.

lol but I do always say, If I had a dollar for every one of these type threads I'd be very rich and the price of Disney wouldn't matter.

These type threads? So an exterior wall failing and falling, something that could have easily resulted in serious injury, is just baseless whining?