With what other fields would you be perplexed that someone wasn’t ignoring training and experience to give equal weight to a “What if?”, even if others thought there was a simple answer? Would you find it odd if a baker was telling people making some pastry wasn’t as easy as they think? If your sink was clogged would you find it difficult to believe that the plumber might think it’s not the quick fix you had hoped?
I’d be surprised if any expert offered more than a speculative assessment based on the kind of evidence we’re dealing with here. All we have at our disposal are a few not-great pictures and some unsubstantiated hearsay about an electric wheelchair. That isn’t enough information for anyone, regardless of their training, to make a definitive determination about what happened.
There are photos. We can clearly see the primary concrete structure and how it was furred out for the panels. Just saying it could be something else is rather meaningless if you don’t present actual alternatives.
Water damage is just one of the alternatives. You are using it as the final answer. In a non-freezing environment exactly what harm other than mold does water do to concrete? Is it a water stain or some other liquid? What was the facade constructed of? That is important to determining if the old evil water is at fault. How old was the stain? What other liquid might have been used in the construction process? It might be water damage depending on the materials used during construction or it might be something else like damage the bottom of the structure by that massive ECV that required extensive repair to match the colors or design. Did I miss a part of this conversation where someone actually saw it fall? Two dimensional photos tell you nothing unless you know exactly what happened and when. To take a picture of something after the maintenance crew was there without knowing how much they had done before the picture was taken is just speculation and no more legitimate then what I have been giving as alternative narratives. It may be water caused or it might not be and I doubt we will ever know for sure. But instead lets blame it on human inability to see through solid structures and hyperbole it into the place is literally falling apart.
I came back yesterday from a 7 day trip and thought the same. During MNSSHP they turned off the lights and it was so rough. We were actually the last ones to ride it on that particular evening (Sept 25) cause when we left the building, there were cast members telling people the ride was down for 'safety' reasons. Shocked me a bit tbh that they used that word instead of technical / maintenance etc.
What are these other alternatives? Just saying there are others over and over is meaningless unless you actually articulate them.
It sounds like an extreme example but it is true and it does happen. It's not hard to find places where concrete sidewalks and driveways are work away at the base of downspouts. That's due to the moving water eroding the concrete. Water can be quite destructive. Proper detailing and construction to keep water out and move it out when it gets in is important to the performance of a building, especially in a humid and rainy environment such as Florida.
Thank you. These examples more or less accord with what I would have expected. I don’t think they demonstrate a pattern of negligence or structural unsoundness.
Didn't something fall from that ceiling in the Little Mermaid queue not that long ago?
This I remember. I believe it was a glass orb that smashed and injured some people in the process.
OK, you win.... I have told you numerous possibilities and you seem to want to ignore all of them because, well I don't know why. Neither one of us has a dog in this race so, for me I will just leave the discussion. After the hurricane goes through I will expect that all the buildings will be missing their facades and at least then I can believe it was from wind and water damage with no other possibility.
They demonstrate a pattern with which this incident fits very neatly.
You have not offered a single alternative explanation. You haven't even properly described the building assembly in the area.
They are rare occurrences. We all know that Disney is structurally safe; otherwise, none of us would visit. But there’s not much to be gained by arguing this further, so I’m walking away from this discussion.
Nobody said anything about structural deficiency. That is just more bunk pushed by you to denigrate the idea that others could actually have knowledge of building and construction that doesn’t align with your predetermined desires. You love to claim others are insulting your intelligence but you routinely dismiss and make snide comments about those with professional training and experience when it comes to architecture and construction.
I wouldn’t skip a Disney trip if any of my favorites are closed…but my point was that El Toro was built in 2006 and it may have to be permanently closed and torn down…SM was built in 1975 and it’s still going.
