WDW IT Layoffs 1/30/2015

ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Donald Razorduck said:
Was it Ted Cruz that put a proposed minimum wage of H1Bs at 100,000. Companies in real need can still get them and the undercutters get their knees whacked.
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A step in the right direction but it needs to be higher like 150K indexed to inflation and unlike now 'paying the minimum' does not mean you get to skip over US workers.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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danlb_2000 said:
But logistics, warehousing and web dev are their core business. Just like there are 1000's of small e-commerce companies out there that do no do their own web site or fulfillment but just focus on their products. There are times when it makes sense to outsource things that are not your core competency, the trick is to know when to do this and when not to.
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The trick is to realize information systems can or should be a core competence even if that isn't what you sell. Hence the Amazon analogy. They took those things and made them their differentiator and how to beat the market.

Failure to do that... And they are just an online book store
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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flynnibus said:
The trick is to realize information systems can or should be a core competence even if that isn't what you sell. Hence the Amazon analogy. They took those things and made them their differentiator and how to beat the market.

Failure to do that... And they are just an online book store
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I have worked in IT/IS for companies at both extremes, one that did everything in house but probably should have outsourced some of it, and one that outsourced far to much. My current employer is pretty balanced. Sometimes doing things in house really can't bring enough differentiation or business value to be worthwhile. Take payroll processing as an example. It's been a long time since I worked at a company that did their own payroll processing. There is just no value add for doing it in house, it doesn't give you any competitive advantage, that's why it's so commonly outsourced now.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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danlb_2000 said:
I have worked in IT/IS for companies at both extremes, one that did everything in house but probably should have outsourced some of it, and one that outsourced far to much. My current employer is pretty balanced. Sometimes doing things in house really can't bring enough differentiation or business value to be worthwhile. Take payroll processing as an example. It's been a long time since I worked at a company that did their own payroll processing. There is just no value add for doing it in house, it doesn't give you any competitive advantage, that's why it's so commonly outsourced now.
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Agree - there are somethings that for a company (or even many) that are going to be inert and are clear to contract out.

The problem is when people don't do that evaluation and instead are purely dollar driven or simply discount how much something impacts the business.

Another simple example.... A company works hard to hire the best employees and pays them an incredible amount of money per hour... But pay no attention to the hit on their productivity by forcing them to use a help desk that takes days to fix something. They don't take into account how the help desk should be there TO REMOVE BARRIERS to their elite staff. Instead they try to operate a service someone tells them they must have as cheaply as possible.

It's like buying a Ferrari and feeding it stale, bad gas because it's cheaper.

They don't recognize how accelerating productivity drives the greater good.... Never mind morale
 
GrumpyFan

GrumpyFan

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Donald Razorduck said:
Wasn't it Ted Cruz that proposed a minimum wage on H1Bs at 100,000. Companies in real need can still get them and the undercutters get their knees whacked.

Sounds fair.
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Yes, I think it was Cruz who proposed this. It seems like a reasonable solution to the problem, but I just have a problem with government mandated wages, even if it's intended to save American jobs. There has to be a better solution. Perhaps something like a tax penalty for U.S. based companies when more than a certain percentage of their "workforce" is not based here. For discussion sake, let's just say that if more than 10% of their workforce was employed off-shore, then they would be penalized, or forced to pay higher taxes. This would help encourage more on-shoring of not just H1Bs and tech jobs, but others as well, in theory at least.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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flynnibus said:
Agree - there are somethings that for a company (or even many) that are going to be inert and are clear to contract out.

The problem is when people don't do that evaluation and instead are purely dollar driven or simply discount how much something impacts the business.

Another simple example.... A company works hard to hire the best employees and pays them an incredible amount of money per hour... But pay no attention to the hit on their productivity by forcing them to use a help desk that takes days to fix something. They don't take into account how the help desk should be there TO REMOVE BARRIERS to their elite staff. Instead they try to operate a service someone tells them they must have as cheaply as possible.

It's like buying a Ferrari and feeding it stale, bad gas because it's cheaper.

They don't recognize how accelerating productivity drives the greater good.... Never mind morale
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I am with you on this, because what you describe with the help desk is exactly what happened at my last company, which is a major reason I left. My point simply was that outsourcing isn't automatically a bad thing, there are times when it makes sense.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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danlb_2000 said:
I have worked in IT/IS for companies at both extremes, one that did everything in house but probably should have outsourced some of it, and one that outsourced far to much. My current employer is pretty balanced. Sometimes doing things in house really can't bring enough differentiation or business value to be worthwhile. Take payroll processing as an example. It's been a long time since I worked at a company that did their own payroll processing. There is just no value add for doing it in house, it doesn't give you any competitive advantage, that's why it's so commonly outsourced now.
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Correct but Payroll does not give you a competitive advantage like IT does, Payroll is a extremely standardized offering and one where the outsourcer has a competitive advantage in that they can devote the necessary resources to keeping track of regulatory and compliance requirements for the jurisdictions they service and since they cover thousands of companies they have a far better feel for the service they offer.

For some companies they outsource support for specific applications like Solidworks where it makes a lot more sense for the helpdesk group to be able to reach out and immediately get an expert to assist the user.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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GrumpyFan said:
Yes, I think it was Cruz who proposed this. It seems like a reasonable solution to the problem, but I just have a problem with government mandated wages, even if it's intended to save American jobs. There has to be a better solution. Perhaps something like a tax penalty for U.S. based companies when more than a certain percentage of their "workforce" is not based here. For discussion sake, let's just say that if more than 10% of their workforce was employed off-shore, then they would be penalized, or forced to pay higher taxes. This would help encourage more on-shoring of not just H1Bs and tech jobs, but others as well, in theory at least.
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Actually H1B already has a 'minimum' where you don't have to look for a US worker but it's 65K so it's far lower than the going rate.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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ford91exploder said:
Correct but Payroll does not give you a competitive advantage like IT does, Payroll is a extremely standardized offering and one where the outsourcer has a competitive advantage in that they can devote the necessary resources to keeping track of regulatory and compliance requirements for the jurisdictions they service and since they cover thousands of companies they have a far better feel for the service they offer.

For some companies they outsource support for specific applications like Solidworks where it makes a lot more sense for the helpdesk group to be able to reach out and immediately get an expert to assist the user.
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I will still argue that it doesn't make sense for all companies to do all IT services in house. There are certain services that a company would not get a competitive advantage by doing in house.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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danlb_2000 said:
I will still argue that it doesn't make sense for all companies to do all IT services in house. There are certain services that a company would not get a competitive advantage by doing in house.
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Level 1 helpdesk (triage and ticket generation no actual 'support' activity), Cabling, Computer maintenance and repair, Server/Network equipment rack-n-stack - Standard stuff for which an outsourcer is a value add, Even perhaps developing a new system with the intent to turn it over to company developers for ongoing support,

But NOC, Operations, ArchitectureSystems design and support no way.
 
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willtravel

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I love the line " in order to fill jobs that American's can't or won't do".... Who decides what we can't or won't do????? What is a job we can't do?
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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willtravel said:
I love the line " in order to fill jobs that American's can't or won't do".... Who decides what we can't or won't do????? What is a job we can't do?
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The jobs Americans can't or will not are those where desired salary for the employer is something where only people living 6 to a room can live on. Or in IT an enterprise architect making 40,000 US (it's a job which under normal labor rules is worth 150k in the sticks and 400-600k on the 'Street

Remember 25K US in India buys you a lifestyle which includes servants
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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willtravel said:
I love the line " in order to fill jobs that American's can't or won't do".... Who decides what we can't or won't do????? What is a job we can't do?
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Honestly, some HR drone in a cubicle making a job descriptions and plugging it into Indeed.
If your resume does not have enough of the keywords, into the electronic blackhole you go.
 

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