WDW Falling apart??

[bethymouse]

No "complaints" here since visiting in September. WDW is aging though, and I think they're trying to keep up w/ the amount of visitors/ year-round never closing park.
I did notice a few things: trouble w/ the Speedway, same trouble w/ Splash Mountain, dirty/old seats at Carousel of Progress, dirty streaks on Soarin screen, LOTS of plastic bottles in the water by the boat docks , and some painting did need to be done.
We stayed at the POLY, and it needs some love too.
Overall though, despite WDW's "issues", we had a magical time as always. We're planning a 2014 trip @ Beach Club when mine train is open during the holidays!
Still love ya WDW, and always will!

 

[scout68]

Apparently so did you.

ugh.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Every time I visit WDW I ride the Peoplemover several times non-stop. The cast members tend to be very nice about it due to how efficient the ride is (they let me stay on unless there's a long line, which is rare). Love the ride to death and it's a great way to rest and take in the view. I would be monumentally ticked off if it were ever closed down for good. There are problems however. Most of the seats are very torn up. Some of the lights are (or were, as of February) burned out. Both vehicles and walls throughout are rather dirty and scuffed up looking in parts. I expect Martin could list some other specifics. The state of the seats was most noticeable to me, if its torn in a place that touches your skin it can be a bit uncomfortable when it rubs up against you. I don't know how many vehicles are like this but i'd often get one that was in pretty bad shape.

The PeopleMover seems to be a miracle of design. For all its novelty and uniqueness it is endlessly reliable. Those WED people were geniuses!
I shall take your tip and ask to remain seated when it is not crowded - it had never occurred to me one could do that.

The PeopleMover does have show issues:
- The part through Space is too dark, nothing to see here anymore since they boarded it up. They never bothered to replace the old views into Space with something else interesting to look at.
- The model of Progress City has seen better days.
- A window into Buzz was boarded up, where once one could look down into show scenes of Dreamflight or If You Had Wings.
- The PeopleMover was on eye level with the Skyway loading dock, which made for interesting visuals that can no longer be had. The removal of the Skyway is a kinetic loss for both the TTA and TL period.
- I suppose the superiority of the erstwhile narration and the former 'unity of style and vision of TL' are a matter of taste.

 

[disney fan 13]

...and Space has seemed to be running 100% of the time on my last trip...

Continue the list of complaints???

You must have a spine of steel...

 

[disney fan 13]

The PeopleMover seems to be a miracle of design. for all its novelty and uniqueness it is endlessly reliable. Those WED people were geniuses!
I shall take you tip and askto remain seated when it is not crowded - it had never occurred to me one could do that.

The PeopleMover does have show issues:
- The part through Space is too dark, nothing to see here anymore since they boarded it up. They never bothered to replace the old views into Space with something else interesting to look at.
- The model of Progress City has seen better days.
- A window into Buzz was boarded up, where once one could look down into show scenes of Dreamflight or If You Had Wings.
- The PeopleMover was on eye level with the Skyway loading dock, which made for interesting visuals that can no longer be had. The removal of the Skyway is a kinetic loss for both the TTA and TL period.
- I suppose the superiority of the erstwhile narration and 'a unity of style and vision of TL' are a matter of taste.

Plus the thing is dusty as ****.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Space Mountain is very bumpy. That's what is so wrong with it. They cut the last major refurb budget that would have apparently gone towards a complete rebuild of the track, that can't help any.

Soarin has dust on both of its theaters, Concourse B was particularly terrible though, there were huge specs of black marks all over the screen throughout and the picture was much blurrier than the other theater. Film either needs cleaning or replacing. I don't know how often they clean it, if ever.

@The Empress Lily

Yeah the cast member are usually very nice. If it's not crowded and you ask if you can remain on, they'll often allow you to do so. At least they have for me. Been asked to go through the queue again a couple of times. It's quite a crowd eater though despite being still popular. Great relaxation and scenic ride. And no other Disney park on earth has a Peoplemover anymore, so that's something to be glad about (shame Disneyland had to lose theirs).

And I took the original post to be as such, that was my initial reaction and still what I think it was. Again, my opinion. So yes, we are arguing over what you feel is trolling and what I feel are trolling. If you don't like the conclusion I came to, then I'm sorry.

I'm not arguing what a troll is though, the definition of a troll is someone who posts intentionally provocative and insulting messages. You seem to be the only one to see anything insulting or provocative about the original post. What about this thread fits this definition? I'm looking objectively here, not bringing my own feelings into things, and i'm still utterly at a loss in spotting anything that could even possibly be mistaken as trolling. It is incredibly unfair and rude to just randomly go around to threads and accuse people of trolling just because you don't agree with them or try to hard to find flamebait where there's not any.
People just want WDW to be kept in proper show conditions, this thread is simply another person expressing this desire. There is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong with bringing it up for discussion or creating new threads about it. Just because you don't agree with someone posting about WDW being a state of disrepair, it does not mean they're a troll or that they're attacking you. The Jimmy Thick thread again is a transparent insult towards people who post about things that need addressing at WDW. This thread has no insults or inflammatory statements, obvious or hidden. I've posted messages like this thread myself and it was most certainly NEVER my intention to anger people. I would consider it ridiculous and more than a little insecure if someone did take offense at my posts.
As for overposting threads, this happens all the time regardless of topic. I don't see anyone call people out for trolling when tons of identical to these and cloned time and time again (I certainly wouldn't)-
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/whats-your-favorite-orlando-theme-park.854763/
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/favorite-disney-character.853768/
I know of plenty of forums where people are so paranoid and insecure that the definition of a troll has been changed to "anyone who doesn't 100% adhere to my opinions". People can't properly distinguish an insult from an opinion. Lets not be that way and read into things that aren't there.

 

[GeorgiaPinesRJB]

Space Mountain is very bumpy. That's what is so wrong with it. They cut the last major refurb budget that would have apparently gone towards a complete rebuild of the track, that can't help any.

Soarin has dust on both of its theaters, Concourse B was particularly terrible though, there were huge specs of black marks all over the screen throughout and the picture was much blurrier than the other theater. Film either needs cleaning or replacing. I don't know how often they clean it, if ever.

@The Empress Lily

Yeah the cast member are usually very nice. If it's not crowded and you ask if you can remain on, they'll often allow you to do so. At least they have for me. Been asked to go through the queue again a couple of times. It's quite a crowd eater though despite being still popular. Great relaxation and scenic ride.


I'm not arguing what a troll is though, the definition of a troll is someone who posts intentionally provocative and insulting messages. You seem to be the only one to see anything insulting or provocative about the original post. What about this thread fits this definition? I'm looking objectively here, not bringing my own feelings into things, and i'm still utterly at a loss in spotting anything that could even possibly be mistaken as trolling. It is incredibly unfair and rude to just randomly go around to threads and accuse people of trolling just because you don't agree with them or try to hard to find flamebait where there's not any.
People just want WDW to be kept in proper show conditions, this thread is simply another person expressing this desire. There is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong with bringing it up for discussion or creating new threads about it. Just because you don't agree with someone posting about WDW being a state of disrepair, it does not mean they're a troll or that they're attacking you. The Jimmy Thick thread again is a transparent insult towards people who post about things that need addressing at WDW. This thread has no insults or inflammatory statements, obvious or hidden. I've posted messages like this thread myself and it was most certainly NEVER my intention to anger people. I would consider it ridiculous and more than a little insecure if someone did take offense at my posts.
As for overposting threads, this happens all the time regardless of topic. I don't see anyone call people out for trolling when tons of identical to these and cloned time and time again (I certainly wouldn't)-
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/whats-your-favorite-orlando-theme-park.854763/
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/favorite-disney-character.853768/
I know of plenty of forums where people are so paranoid and insecure that the definition of a troll has been changed to "anyone who doesn't 100% adhere to my opinions". People can't properly distinguish an insult from an opinion. Lets not be that way and read into things that aren't there.

You keep putting words in my mouth, I never said the OP attacked me personally. I'm not sure where you are getting that from. I wasn't even personally insulted, just annoyed in principle because there are more threads on this forum than not that keep repeating the same old line of "Disney is utter and complete crap now compared to where it was X years ago." This is another one of those threads. As for the content of the OP that came off as troll-esque, well both the way the thread was titled with the overuse of question marks, the run-on sentence and emphasis on the word "weird" all seemed like a post that was intentionally made to start one of the great debates this site has is: was WDW better then than it is now? Was what the OP said AS bad as some other people on here? Maybe, maybe not. I still think the intent was there and I stick by it.

 

[menamechris]

I would not say the resort is falling apart. I WILL say - anymore cuts to maintenance or postponing certain refurbs, and that will change. It wouldn't take much to turn a nasty corner...

 

[GoofGoof]

No no no. We're not talking about rides shutting down. Half the time or more, that is a guest's fault anyway. I'm talking about show quality, and how every single ride at Disneyland looks, feels, and sounds as if it opened yesterday.

And many other things, but this is specifically about rides falling apart.

I agree. DL looked great. The original poster said he/she got stuck on Splash and then some lights were out on BTMRR which both sound pretty likely. I was just pointing out that sometimes rides have issues outside of WDW too even at top quality parks. I am not disputing the long list of issues with WDW itself.

 

[bubbles1812]

Wow. Calling someone a troll simply for presenting facts? That's a new one I haven't seen before. Yeah, asking if WDW was falling apart may have been a bit of an exaggeration, sure, but to say it was a trolling post? Please. You apparently haven't seen trolls before on here... WDW has undeniable problems and topics get repeated all the time (case in point the "why do you people complain so much?" thread that was just locked...) so I don't see a reason why this particular thread should be disliked. We are due for another Marvel thread soon, there is another repeat topic as well. General consensus seems to agree that it was not a troll post and I am glad to see that.

 

[GeorgiaPinesRJB]

Wow. Calling someone a troll simply for presenting facts? That's a new one I haven't seen before. Yeah, asking if WDW was falling apart may have been a bit of an exaggeration, sure, but to say it was a trolling post? Please. You apparently haven't seen trolls before on here... WDW has undeniable problems and topics get repeated all the time (case in point the "why do you people complain so much?" thread that was just locked...) so I don't see a reason why this particular thread should be disliked. We are due for another Marvel thread soon, there is another repeat topic as well. General consensus seems to agree that it was not a troll post and I am glad to see that.

Oops, someone had to go pull Bubbles' string. Please, don't act like what I said is the most heinous act ever committed on these forums and that I somehow hurt everyone's precious sensibilities. I agree, a vast exaggeration on the part of the OP. I keep admitting, repeatedly, like it's my name and rank in a POW camp, that I acknowledge there are problems in the parks and things should be fixed. However, I still think the wording and the execution on the part of the OP was troll-esque and indicative of the kind of post I've seen of the same nature. I won't apologize for that's what I feel. If that wasn't the intent (which we don't know, since the OP has been oddly silent throughout this) then fine, I stand corrected, but that doesn't make my reaction any less valid. And I am sticking by my intial reaction. Like I told Merlin, if you don't like what that was then I'm sorry, but no need to jump all over my back. Furthermore, y'all getting bent out of shape for my initial reaction, attacking it saying I attacked someone...pot meet kettle.

 

[marni1971]

...and Space has seemed to be running 100% of the time on my last trip...

Continue the list of complaints???

Complete with broken projections, blown audio, not working launch lighting, out of sync re entry tunnels. And that's before we begin to look at the state of the 38 year old track, deafening lifts and offride SQ issues.

The lack of Peoplemover maintainence and cleanliness, plus its show issues, has been covered above in answer to an earlier question. What I was rather surprised at is when we rode and had a power failure, the car behind ours continued at full speed in its block zone before ramming our car at a good few mph. Maybe I should have gone to City Hall screaming whiplash. I really should dig out my video of said event for YouTube.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Definitely noticed the audio problems in Space, as well as the burned out lighting in the launch sequence. Sad part is how simplistic the effects are but still issues everywhere. Definitely an archaic ride that needs attention. I was sad to hear they cut the budget entirely for a new track.

I just hope Peoplemover doesn't ever close for good. There aren't any codes problems that would present issues if a major refurb ended up happening is there?

 

[unkadug]

@scout68
@GeorgiaPinesRJB

You guys ...learn to use smilies when you are teasing each other ...no sense in this petty snipping

 

[matt9112]

Not a troll. Also not news or a rumor. Things are broken, not news to anyone. Seems more appropriate as a trip report if you really want to start what seems to me to be a pointless thread. Just my opinion.

op is just trying to be helpful...forum bashing is so old....

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

People blindly following the corporate line is not to be questioned. Thats the rules of the self appointed mods. Just as the biggest excreta stirrer on the forum is not to be mocked, cause hell squeam and squeam and squeam. Dishing it out but not being able to take it seems to be the modus operandi for the in park puncher.

 

[GoofGoof]

op is just trying to be helpful...forum bashing is so old....

Was what I wrote really bashing?
1). I said he/she is not a troll in my opinion
2). I said that the post was not news or a rumor so probably belonged in trip reports
3). I said in my opinion the thread was pointless

I am assuming that since 1 was defending the OP and 2 is a fact your objection is to #3. It's my opinion. I feel it's kinda pointless to start a thread in the news and rumors section with a sensational and inflammatory title and then posting a trip report about a ride that stopped and some effects that were out. If you want to make the statement that WDW is falling apart you have to bring more than that to the table IMHO. If not someone is going to challenge you and this whole discussion breaks out. I know there are others on this forum who would have been a lot less cordial than I was in my response. I really don't see how saying the thread is pointless equates to bashing, but you are entitled to your opinion too. I am realistic. I know there are issues. Look at the list from Marni1971. With a few exceptions that list is pretty hard for anyone to dispute. There are many threads on here that talk about the problems at WDW with detailed lists of problems.

 

[GoofGoof]

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The PeopleMover does have show issues:
- The part through Space is too dark, nothing to see here anymore since they boarded it up. They never bothered to replace the old views into Space with something else interesting to look at..

My last trip the people mover stopped right after we entered Space Mountain. It was pitch black. Pretty crazy really. Shortly after the stop when the announcement started some emergency lights came on. We were stopped for about 2 minutes (I assume to let someone on a wheelchair on or something) but if those lights didn't come on I think I would have been a little freaked out.

 

[unkadug]

People blindly following the corporate line is not to be questioned. Thats the rules of the self appointed mods. Just as the biggest excreta stirrer on the forum is not to be mocked, cause hell squeam and squeam and squeam. Dishing it out but not being able to take it seems to be the modus operandi for the in park puncher.

Don't forget, he'll also get his sock puppet to defend him.

 

[FrankLapidus]

Every time I visit WDW I ride the Peoplemover several times non-stop. The cast members tend to be very nice about it due to how efficient the ride is (they let me stay on unless there's a long line, which is rare). Love the ride to death and it's a great way to rest and take in the view. I would be monumentally ticked off if it were ever closed down for good. There are problems however. Most of the seats are very torn up. Some of the lights are (or were, as of February) burned out. Both vehicles and walls throughout are rather dirty and scuffed up looking in parts. I expect Martin could list some other specifics. The state of the seats was most noticeable to me, if its torn in a place that touches your skin it can be a bit uncomfortable when it rubs up against you. I don't know how many vehicles are like this but i'd often get one that was in pretty bad shape.

I do the same, it's one of my favourite things to do at WDW and I agree about the CM's, they are usually very friendly and accomodating, especially when it comes to letting us stay on when the line is short. I've never noticed that about that seats, maybe it is a problem with certain cars or it's just something that's escaped my attention. Next year I'll look out for that but I could see why it would be uncomfortable if you ever did come across a seat that was torn. As best as I could tell in September, the lights were working properly and the audio sounded okay, nothing stuck out as obviously wrong anyway. I agree with what's been said about the part of the ride where you go through SM, it is far too dark in there and taking away the views into SM was a mistake.