Mike S
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I would've much preferred Toontown in DHS over Buzz and Woody's Toy-O-Rama.
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RSoxNo1
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Lights of Winter!
gmajew
Premium Member
This gets so old.... The land is incredible the theming is great. Ride is good not great but good. The theming alone blows always everything else we have for any land in magic kingdom. Just enjoy it for what it is...
doctornick
Well-Known Member
I could be incorrect, but wasn't the name "first broken" on the Disneyland special when Harrison Ford said it? I don't recall anyone here mentioning the name before then, including yourself.
The first post I see you mentioned "Star Wars Experience" is this one from March 19. The Disneyland TV special was Feb 21. It was even talked about in this thread where people were doing play by play of the DL special.
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drummond
Active Member
Congrats?
brb1006
Well-Known Member
Looks much better that Fantasmic's water projections at HS.
brb1006
Well-Known Member
The deer and bunny bit made me smile
StageFrenzy
Well-Known Member
NFL is like a cake, one of the prettiest cakes that Disney has ever made. The placing and decorations look awesome and the best theming that Disney has done since 07. The cake is pretty tasty too, unfortunately the cake is the size of a cupcake and the rest is just mounds and mounds of frosting and fondant. Which leaves you with a feeling something is missing and a headache.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
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I'm so excited about these offerings i could wet myself
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Is this the best the so-called leading themed entertainment provider in the world can do nowadays.
The reality seems to be that instead of 'Themed Entertainment' it's in reality Bob's Pump-n-Dump boiler room.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
No no no, Walt Disney World - where guest money makes Shareholders Dreams Come True.
ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
This sums it up rather nicely.
During the last 2 decades of the last century, there was a concerted effort by many Fortune 500 companies to drive revenue and profits by improving the product through R&D investment and process optimization, resulting in additional revenue and higher margins (making shareholders happy) along with producing better products (making customers happy). Higher profits and happier customers inevitably led to happier employees.
Ever since 9/11, that corporate philosophy has changed.
It's now a throwback to the 1960s and before, where satisfying shareholders is viewed as at odds with satisfying customers and employees. In a nutshell, today's corporate philosophy is that in order to keep shareholders happy, both customers and employees must suffer.
Unfortunately, Disney is one of the companies that is leading the way in this new corporate philosophy.
vinnya1726
Active Member
I love all the negativity.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
This sums it up rather nicely.
During the last 2 decades of the last century, there was a concerted effort by many Fortune 500 companies to drive revenue and profits by improving the product through R&D investment and process optimization, resulting in additional revenue and higher margins (making shareholders happy) along with producing better products (making customers happy). Higher profits and happier customers inevitably led to happier employees.
Ever since 9/11, that corporate philosophy has changed.
It's now a throwback to the 1960s and before, where satisfying shareholders is viewed as at odds with satisfying customers and employees. In a nutshell, today's corporate philosophy is that in order to keep shareholders happy, both customers and employees must suffer.
Unfortunately, Disney is one of the companies that is leading the way in this new corporate philosophy.
Yet such systems cannot survive for long as their ideal state would be to have no employees except a BoD and produce no products or services yet take the customer's money and deliver no value in turn.
This goes back to the initial discussions of 'joint stock companies' in the Lloyd's Coffeehouse, UK Parliament and House of Lords in the 1600's where there was a real concern that what is happening today in American companies would occur due to the concentration of wealth in a few unaccountable hands. Basically they were allowed because the creation of jobs for UK workers and tax revenues for the Crown were a counterbalance to the 'concentration of wealth'. Yes contrary to the common belief stock based companies were EXPECTED to create jobs in return for allowing their creation.
In the 80's we got the wrongheaded view due to a few criminal Wall Streeters of which Michael Milken was the best known that public companies existed only to 'enhance shareholder value' which was directly opposed to centuries of corporate law and practice and we are now in the situation we are in today where Wall St more closely resembles a Casino rather than a place to foster capital formation. It's gotten so bad that the FTSE in the UK has proposed rulemaking that the FTSE 100 will not be allowed to report quarterly earnings because they feel that managing earnings has become more important than managing the businesses and that decisions are taken which are bad for the underlying BUSINESS yet good for the stock price in the short term.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
This is true. The 80s was also the time when executive compensation started to be tied directly to stock price with more and more executive stock options. Before executive stock options became prevalent you had a healthy conflict between management who were more focused on building their business long term and keeping employees happy and the board who were more focused on shareholder value. Now it's a one sided tug of war with both management and BoD focused on short term stock price. If a strong CEO emerges with vision for the future they often get snuffed out in the first minor downturn of the stock price.
gmajew
Premium Member
This sums it up rather nicely.
During the last 2 decades of the last century, there was a concerted effort by many Fortune 500 companies to drive revenue and profits by improving the product through R&D investment and process optimization, resulting in additional revenue and higher margins (making shareholders happy) along with producing better products (making customers happy). Higher profits and happier customers inevitably led to happier employees.
Ever since 9/11, that corporate philosophy has changed.
It's now a throwback to the 1960s and before, where satisfying shareholders is viewed as at odds with satisfying customers and employees. In a nutshell, today's corporate philosophy is that in order to keep shareholders happy, both customers and employees must suffer.
Unfortunately, Disney is one of the companies that is leading the way in this new corporate philosophy.
This is not just a Disney problem it is a political problem in the US and world more then ever. It comes from people struggling through the toughest recession the country has had since the great depression. People are bitter and they are bitter that they are not getting there fair share so they are mad at corporation and business because they are making record profit and not spending enough back on them to give them more.
The problem is even when they do give and spend it is never enough it is never enough to serve the people that just feel so bitter about being short changed and left behind.
The great recession changed and put fear into business to spend and they have been holding this money tight to there chest for years now building war chest and getting fat and happy. Look at Apple it has billion in cash why? Why not give it back to the shareholders....
Disney why not spend and give back to the customers...
Slowly it is changing companies are starting to innovate again and spend on RD and big projects but the world changed and everyone got scared and hid hopefully the economy stays stable so they keep slowly getting back to normal.
https://www.orlandoairports.net/pre...ers-at-orlando-international-airport-in-2015/
Using air traffic as an indicator, not at all. I think you know that, but it doesn't fit your doomsday narrative, so...
NYwdwfan
Well-Known Member
Not every flight that lands in Orlando carries passengers exclusively en route to Walt Disney World. In addition, the article points to 2015 data, so would have no bearing on current or projected attendance for the remainder of 2016..
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Orlando air traffic is not all heading to Disney MCO is a major international transfer point as well, I frequently fly THROUGH MCO on my way to/from the west coast so I'm counted in that number several dozen times over the past year what's different is at one time I would schedule a long layover in MCO grab a car and visit WDW for a few hours, I don't do that anymore and I'm pretty sure i'm not the only business traveller Disney fan who has changed their behavior in light of current trends at WDW. I trust @WDW1974 and @lentesta when they say that admissions to the parks are off. Also remember there are MANY things to do in the Greater Orlando area to do and see besides Disney.
rael ramone
Well-Known Member
Speaking of DL (just came back from a quick trip)
Some obvious plusses vs. the swamps (first time doing the original 'Soarin' Over California' projected from an actual clean room - no dodging dust bunnies as you soar over the Cali skies).
One HUGE complaint.
The bathroom I went in looked like a gas station (minus the grafitti). Thought I was in the swamps. Held it the rest of the day.
The Lancaster National Soccer Center (out in Joshua Tree/Tumbleweed land) had cleaner bathrooms.
Thanks Shanghai. Thanks Chappie.
Some obvious plusses vs. the swamps (first time doing the original 'Soarin' Over California' projected from an actual clean room - no dodging dust bunnies as you soar over the Cali skies).
One HUGE complaint.
The bathroom I went in looked like a gas station (minus the grafitti). Thought I was in the swamps. Held it the rest of the day.
The Lancaster National Soccer Center (out in Joshua Tree/Tumbleweed land) had cleaner bathrooms.
Thanks Shanghai. Thanks Chappie.