Was Disney lying about perfection and standards?

THEMEPARKPIONEER

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Original Poster
Back then I was fooled, Disney always boasted about perfection and flawlessness, how they hid all utilities, the concrete was pressure washed every night and every time you enter the parks the place will look brand new. They boasted how the audio was perfect everywhere you stood, Epcot has that one on point in the world Showcase but how many times have you heard Baroque Hoedown blasting way to loud on a fuzzy speaker? Was this ever a reality or have we been fooled, did they trick us into thinking all this to drawer us there? All I can say is my local mall looks better than Disney World.
 

muddyrivers

Well-Known Member
I'll bite and say that what you are describing is how Disney used to be. Rides used to be unavailable for riding until the broken animatronic was fixed. Or the fuzzy speaker may have been something you heard that one night but if you went back the next it would have been fixed. What we have been seeing as of late is a lack of that attention to detail that used to really captivate those of us who remember that time.

I will say that if you go to Tokyo Disneyland (I have not personally) my understanding is that this high standard and level of perfection still remains to this day. However, I believe that is because of the Oriental Land Company rather than the Walt Disney Company.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Back then I was fooled, Disney always boasted about perfection and flawlessness, how they hid all utilities, the concrete was pressure washed every night and every time you enter the parks the place will look brand new. They boasted how the audio was perfect everywhere you stood, Epcot has that one on point in the world Showcase but how many times have you heard Baroque Hoedown blasting way to loud on a fuzzy speaker? Was this ever a reality or have we been fooled, did they trick us into thinking all this to drawer us there? All I can say is my local mall looks better than Disney World.
It was real.

Was.
 

Pepper's Ghost

Well-Known Member
I'll guess cost-cutting measures. Not only are positions in maintenance not being filled or worse are being eliminated, I'll guess those CMs who used to walk the parks, notice something not in order, and report the issues... gone. They don't even notice the issues anymore.

I used to work for a RE management firm that rewarded employees who notice and report maintenance and safety issues. Everything was/is kept in top condition because employees were conditioned to report issues, and have them fixed. TWDC could use that kind of attitude, but they're too worried about the bottom line, not customer experience.
 

JIMINYCR

Well-Known Member
Times change... Disney has changed. Theres many causes for the lack of attention to the little details that once were taken cared of. Budgets and how funds are allocated can surely play a huge part in this. Lack of staff doing the jobs that used to be done. Change of how jobs were once managed and handled. Increase of guests and how they treat their surroundings which makes it harder to keep up with the pristine look. And a lack of pride in how staff looks at their part of being a Disney worker and how they produce.
I'll agree things are not as they once were but its not just at Disney. Its all across the USA. A majority of workers now have poor performance standards and non attention to details and very little pride on their work which is suffering everywhere.
Disney should be managing many of their departments better and holding everyone accountable for slipping behind in the little details which once were seen as major things.
 

jlhwdw

Well-Known Member
And a lack of pride in how staff looks at their part of being a Disney worker and how they produce.
I'll agree things are not as they once were but its not just at Disney. Its all across the USA. A majority of workers now have poor performance standards and non attention to details and very little pride on their work which is suffering everywhere.
Why should they have pride in being overworked and underpaid by an employer that doesn't give two you know whats about their wellbeing?

I put all of this fully on employers.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
Back then I was fooled, Disney always boasted about perfection and flawlessness, how they hid all utilities, the concrete was pressure washed every night and every time you enter the parks the place will look brand new. They boasted how the audio was perfect everywhere you stood, Epcot has that one on point in the world Showcase but how many times have you heard Baroque Hoedown blasting way to loud on a fuzzy speaker? Was this ever a reality or have we been fooled, did they trick us into thinking all this to drawer us there? All I can say is my local mall looks better than Disney World.
Back at this mythical time:
- It was never perfect or flawless, people just didn't have anywhere near the level of information of the day-to-day of everything they have now feeding negativity on a daily basis. People just went on their annual or once-in-a-lifetime trip and enjoyed it
- WDW was a much smaller, less complex beast at a scale that it was much easier to achieve that standard. As it continues to grow larger and larger, it becomes more and more difficult to keep up with everything to the same degree- no matter how many people you throw at it.
- Everything is getting older and older and continues to cost more and more to maintain and refurbish with each passing year.
- Guests were not brandishing smartphones and their cameras looking to find something wrong and breathlessly jumping to post it to social media platforms. During this mythical period, if an animatronic broke on Splash Mountain you didn't know anything about it unless you happened to be there at the time.
- Environment Health & Safety regulations weren’t as strict back then so somebody could just walk out on a roof to swap a failed bulb. Nowadays it takes a month of approvals and a mountain of safety equipment and extra staff to perform the same activity so the frequency of the effort is dramatically reduced.
- Guests were far less ‘entitled’ than they are today which means Disney was spending a whole lot less money on ‘guest recovery’ for stupid selfish things. That also meant massively less money spent on frivolous lawsuits filed under the premise that ‘Disney always settles’ so you're guaranteed a payout.

Having said all of that, it can also not be denied that the financial pressures of Wall Street have forced Disney into the same sort of short-term thinking pretty much every publicly traded company is under. And that isn't likely to change any time soon. Those shareholders own the company and they demand financial performance or they sell off lowering the value of the company.
 
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DisneyGentlemanV2.0

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- Everything is getting older and older and continues to cost more and more to maintain and refurbish with each passing year.
I recall when EPCOT, seemingly all at once, wiped out World of Motion, Imagination 1.0, and Horizons.

It was clear back then that the animatronic-intensive rides were being dropped because of the cost of maintaining them.

That was only the beginning...
 

harryk

Well-Known Member
Yes, there are stockholders seeking answers if profits drop - but that does not excuse the lack or delay of maintenance within the parks.
Maintenance was always done after hours when the parks were closed - however the parks closed hours are much less due to early entry and late closures being more common. But cleanliness within the parks should never be short. I have noticed that there is a slower effort to keep the parks clean - but they are still clean and brooms were much more visible during my last visit than last few years, Covid aside.

The pride that management had during the Roy Disney days and throughout the 70s and early 80s has slowly disappeared. It is time that it was brought back and if staff does not comply - get new staff. Enough terminations early on will result in less terminations as time goes by.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Yes, there are stockholders seeking answers if profits drop - but that does not excuse the lack or delay of maintenance within the parks.
Maintenance was always done after hours when the parks were closed - however the parks closed hours are much less due to early entry and late closures being more common. But cleanliness within the parks should never be short. I have noticed that there is a slower effort to keep the parks clean - but they are still clean and brooms were much more visible during my last visit than last few years, Covid aside.

The pride that management had during the Roy Disney days and throughout the 70s and early 80s has slowly disappeared. It is time that it was brought back and if staff does not comply - get new staff. Enough terminations early on will result in less terminations as time goes by.
Late closures were nothing compared to evening extra magic hrs back in the day. During Christmas week approx 15 years ago, MK was open a few days 7am-1am, evening EMH 1am-4am and MK opened at 7am 3 hours later. I missed NYE at DHS when the whole park was opened until 3am.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
Yes, there are stockholders seeking answers if profits drop - but that does not excuse the lack or delay of maintenance within the parks.
Maintenance was always done after hours when the parks were closed - however the parks closed hours are much less due to early entry and late closures being more common. But cleanliness within the parks should never be short. I have noticed that there is a slower effort to keep the parks clean - but they are still clean and brooms were much more visible during my last visit than last few years, Covid aside.

The pride that management had during the Roy Disney days and throughout the 70s and early 80s has slowly disappeared. It is time that it was brought back and if staff does not comply - get new staff. Enough terminations early on will result in less terminations as time goes by.

Unfortunately, in today’s current climate of staffing shortages, that sort of aggressive approach will just make things work.
 

John park hopper

Well-Known Member
Funny how in the early days of WDW there were strick dress codes for staff and they didn't have a labor problem, now if you are breathing they will hire you and they still can't find help.

"The official "Disney Look" rules for 1971 emphasized a "natural" look with natural hair color and makeup. Cast members were to adhere to these rules and to maintain them. Failure to do so could result in suspension or termination."

Pay more and value your staff --you might not have a labor shortage Disney
 

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