Walt Disney's Secret Island in WDW

Tigerace81

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Actually it was being built and then Walt died and they didnt finish it until a few years ago. The unfinished room was used mostly as a storage area and from what I heard, a area to prepare for the tinkerbell that used to fly down the zip line at night(not sure if that still happens).
 

lazyboy97o

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Actually it was being built and then Walt died and they didnt finish it until a few years ago. The unfinished room was used mostly as a storage area and from what I heard, a area to prepare for the tinkerbell that used to fly down the zip line at night(not sure if that still happens).
In the "EPCOT film" (October 1966) the Magic Kingdom is depicted as a duplicate of Disneyland.

The Reedy Creek Improvement District is not established by the Florida legislature until 1967.

"In April 1969, members of the press were invited to the new Ramada Inn tower in Ocoee, west of Orlando, for the unveiling of the master plan for Walt Disney World.

[...]

Afterward, the guests loaded onto buses for a trip around the site. It was still raw land, littered with tree stumps and root masses, with gas balloons indicating the future landmarks. It was difficult to believe for anyone to believe that in less two-and-half years this wilderness would be converted into a wonderland for millions of visitors."
Building a Company: Roy O. Disney and the Creation of an Entertainment Empire by Bob Thomas, p. 317

If Cinderella Castle was under construction in December 1966 when Walt Disney died, how come its site was denoted only by a balloon in April of 1969?
 

Tigerace81

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Construction started in 1967. Plus ground work was well under way. It would take more then 2 years by the dates you was giving to build a entire theme park larger then DL and include the utilidors.
 

lazyboy97o

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Construction started in 1967. Plus ground work was well under way. It would take more then 2 years by the dates you was giving to build a entire theme park larger then DL and include the utilidors.
That construction was the creation of the canals and drainage system. Jeff Kurtti (Since the World Began p.35) and Charles Ridgeway (Spinning Disney's World p.82) both back up the Bob Thomas account I quoted that construction on the Magic Kingdom began in 1969. So Walt did not die while Cinderella Castle was being constructed. Kurtti says, "Years of research went into the planning and design of this distinctive signature building." That though does not tell us when Ryman began his work on Cinderella Castle or why he continued to include an apartment for Walt Disney, even though he had already passed away.

At a minimum "years" is two years. If the design of Cinderella Castle was finalized by the time Walt died, then Ryman began work in mid-to-late 1964.
 

lazyboy97o

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Reading a bit more, Kurtti does say that the apartment was intended for the Disney Family. But what about the telephone operators that supposedly moved in because Walt had passed away the apartment would go unused?
 

Master Yoda

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Reading a bit more, Kurtti does say that the apartment was intended for the Disney Family. But what about the telephone operators that supposedly moved in because Walt had passed away the apartment would go unused?
I think you are trying to read way to much into things and looking for conspiracy where there is none. Even in todays modern building age where nearly every structure is drawn on CAD and can be modified far easier than old hand drawn plans it is not uncommon for plans to be drawn and finalized years before the first shovel of dirt has been turned. Once plans reach that stage they are typically not changed without very good reason. Usually that reason is "this does not work" or something equally as dire. Now lets turn the clock back 50 +/- years to an age where plans are hand drawn and most engineers are still using slide rules. If the original design completed before Walt's death called for an apartment the only way it would have been completely eliminated would be if they had no other choice due to a structural, mechanical, etc issue. "We don't need that room now" would not be a valid reason for redesigning the castle that late in the game. The room being left unfinished and then re-purposed is exactly what you would expect to happen to it given the circumstances.
 

lazyboy97o

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I think you are trying to read way to much into things and looking for conspiracy where there is none. Even in todays modern building age where nearly every structure is drawn on CAD and can be modified far easier than old hand drawn plans it is not uncommon for plans to be drawn and finalized years before the first shovel of dirt has been turned. Once plans reach that stage they are typically not changed without very good reason. Usually that reason is "this does not work" or something equally as dire. Now lets turn the clock back 50 +/- years to an age where plans are hand drawn and most engineers are still using slide rules. If the original design completed before Walt's death called for an apartment the only way it would have been completely eliminated would be if they had no other choice due to a structural, mechanical, etc issue. "We don't need that room now" would not be a valid reason for redesigning the castle that late in the game. The room being left unfinished and then re-purposed is exactly what you would expect to happen to it given the circumstances.
But in order for that to be the case, the Magic Kingdom would have to have been significantly far along in its design process when Walt Disney died. I am also having trouble finding a date for when Vista United-Telecommunications moved into this space. The suggestions seems to be that they left some time in the early 80s (makes sense that the phone system would be upgraded in conjunction with the EPCOT Center expansion), but when did they get there? IF they were there on Opening Day, as some tellings suggest, then why? Or did they move in after Roy passed away and how long after?

This is not about looking for a conspiracy. It is about finding out what actually may have happened. where sprinkling a little pixie dust on an an otherwise dull story might have led to something more or where the original has been distorted after multiple retellings.
 

Master Yoda

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Premium Member
But in order for that to be the case, the Magic Kingdom would have to have been significantly far along in its design process when Walt Disney died. I am also having trouble finding a date for when Vista United-Telecommunications moved into this space. The suggestions seems to be that they left some time in the early 80s (makes sense that the phone system would be upgraded in conjunction with the EPCOT Center expansion), but when did they get there? IF they were there on Opening Day, as some tellings suggest, then why? Or did they move in after Roy passed away and how long after?

This is not about looking for a conspiracy. It is about finding out what actually may have happened. where sprinkling a little pixie dust on an an otherwise dull story might have led to something more or where the original has been distorted after multiple retellings.
What actually happened is what actually happened nothing more nothing less. The castle was designed with an apartment in it for Walt. Walt died before it was built so the apartment was left unfinished. When it was eventually re-purposed for VUT is irrelevant. That is what happened.
 

lazyboy97o

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What actually happened is what actually happened nothing more nothing less. The castle was designed with an apartment in it for Walt. Walt died before it was built so the apartment was left unfinished. When it was eventually re-purposed for VUT is irrelevant. That is what happened.
Then why has nobody ever discussed designing the Magic Kingdom while Walt was still alive? There is a whole story there that has never been told if Cinderella Castle was designed while Walt Disney was still alive. This would be significant because it would be a very different view of Walt Disney's last year.

When the space was repurposed is relevant if the more like story of the space being intended for the Disney Family is true. If Roy was still alive, why did he decline to use the space? Why did the rest of the family decline to use the space?
 

Tigerace81

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I believe Roy may have lived in California but I'm not sure.

But wasn't the entire Magic Kingdom park already somewhat designed when Walt had the press conference in Florida after the newspapers discovered it was him buying all the land in Florida?

Edit: It may have actually been a video recorded shortly before his death but its either one of the two.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I believe Roy may have lived in California but I'm not sure.

But wasn't the entire Magic Kingdom park already somewhat designed when Walt had the press conference in Florida after the newspapers discovered it was him buying all the land in Florida?

Edit: It may have actually been a video recorded shortly before his death but its either one of the two.
The video to which you are referencing is the "EPCOT film" and was made in October 1966, two months before Walt's death. The only image shown of the "theme park" is a roof plan of Disneyland. The image is not even altered a little, it is the roof plan of Disneyland as it would exist in 1967 (New Orleans Square was nearing completion and the New Tomorrowland was under construction).
 

DisneyGAL4Life

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there were plans for an apartment but it was never built. The space was used as a call center for quite a few years then just used for storage until the built Cinderella's suite in it for Year of a Million Dreams. Now they are going to use the suite to woo actors, executives and the like who they would like to collaborate with on future projects and possibly for "whales" to get them to come and drop massive amounts of money...

They are also using it for Make a Wish kids!:sohappy:
 

yensid67

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I've never heard that, and pretty sure it's a rumor.


He did have a apartment in Cinderella Castle, though...


Yes this comment about the Castle Apartment is PARTIALLY true! Walt was to have an apartment in the castle, but it was never built. Instead, an apartment was built above the fire station on MSUSA in WDW AND he had an apartment above the fire station on MSUSA in DL that still has the lamp burning in the window as if he was in the apartment.
 

yensid67

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Just FYI but Disney transportation CM's are probably the single worst source for Disney information on the planet. You will also hear them spin yarns about how the monorail was supposed to go through the Swan and Dolphin which is why that big window is there, the castle can be disassembled in the event of the hurricane, the rooms in the Contemporary were designed to be removed, etc, etc.

The rooms in the Contemporary were built off site and slid into place and can be removed to refurbish without closing off the floor or hotel itself! At least that's what The History Channel program said!
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
The rooms in the Contemporary were built off site and slid into place and can be removed to refurbish without closing off the floor or hotel itself! At least that's what The History Channel program said!
Pretty sure it's way too late to remove any room from the Contemporary. Steel has a bad habit of rusting.
 

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