GoofGoof
Premium Member
I don’t blame Disney for that. It’s not their place to police people or tell them not to travel.
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News Walt Disney World theme parks increase capacity but see longer waits and less physical distancing
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Miss Bella
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Aren't they part of the Lets go there campaign. They are are a business after all and they do want people to travel and I can't blame them.
From the NY Times:
Stop Travel Shaming
Stop Travel Shaming
Jrb1979
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I'm not blaming any parks for that. This pandemic has shown me people need to be babysat for everything. Advisories are put out and people ignore them. Its why I think any amusement park shouldn't be open. Since they are they all should be just doing things like what many are doing for Christmas. Have light displays and no rides.
What good does that do if they're open anyway? Does COVID only come out to play if you're sitting on a boat watching animatronics or sitting in a coaster train?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I think Disney probably would like more people to travel for their bottom line, but they also realize they can’t expand park capacity much more so they are stuck for now. Obviously in July when they re-opened they didn’t open for locals only and they even restricted AP holders to try to make more space for the tourist crowd. In theory they could have offered better hotel discounts and kept the AP restrictions to try to get a different mix of guests but I’m not sure demand was there. Disney does a whole lot of market research and internal surveys with guests so I think the path they took was probably the one they saw as most lucrative.
Disney has been running national ads for months telling people to travel to WDW as it is safe.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I don’t think those things are a big issue. The most risky part of WDW is probably the indoor dining places and to a lesser extent transport. For day visitors it’s possible to go and not even eat indoors. For overnight guests it’s harder to eat all your meals out and avoid indoor dining.
Disney is responsible for making the parks safe. It’s up to people to decide if they want to travel or not. The CDC guidelines are just recommendations and not enforceable rules. People are responsible for their own actions. Disney shouldn‘t turn people away for not following CDC recommendations.
Miss Bella
Well-Known Member
It could be years or never before travel gets back to where it's been the last four years pre- covid. Covid will end, but my gut tells me were in for several bad years. Covid could just be the tip of the iceberg. I hope I'm wrong.
All this talk of Japan has got me excited for my trip next Fall. Fingers and toes crossed we actually get to go.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
The reason I say to open it similar to how Disneyland opened for the few weeks is more for locals and people from out of state wouldn't travel for just lights
giantgolfer
Well-Known Member
I’m taking the responsible approach and going in July after I’ve received the vaccine.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I think Disney will be Ok. It’s going to take time though. Some less healthy vacation spots could be in trouble.
Japan should be good by Fall. They have secured enough vaccine to vaccinate their whole population about 7 times. They also have the olympics end of July so international flights will likely be back there by summer.
In all honesty I’m not sure what you are talking about here. You posted in a thread about WDW increasing capacity that Tokyo Disneyland was relaxing Covid restrictions and then said you though this would happen at WDW in a few months. I don’t see how you are not comparing the 2 resorts. I also don’t see a problem with you comparing the 2. Japan/Tokyo has a better overall covid situation so it’s a good bet they will relax things sooner. It’s a different culture and different country with a different operating company so not a perfect comparison but I actually think it’s a good look into what the gradual easing of restrictions may look like at WDW. It’s a good discussion that’s actually mostly on topic.
My original comment was to say I didn't think it would be as soon as a few months but we just have a different definition of a few months. In my mind if it’s happening in December its this month, in January it’s next month and in Feb or March it’s in a few months. After you clarified that we are close to agreeing on the timing. I think it’s possible to see some easing in April if cases come down enough.
I know it’s been talked about here before but in order to increase park capacity overall they need to increase ride capacity and bring back shows and people eating attractions. The only real way to do that is to relax social distancing on rides, in queues and at shows. Once you bring back more people you also need to address dining capacity, but I don’t see distancing in restaurants going away right away. That can be addressed by adding temporary seating and/or utilizing unused spaces in the various parks. That’s why my guess would be the first restrictions to be loosened would be distancing in the parks, then distancing and capacity limits in restaurants and masks last to go. Based on that I could see some of the first stuff you mentioned happening in Tokyo being some of the same initial things that will happen at WDW. Just not before the Spring
lets break it down for those in the back, as you are still unclear. My post.
"Something to note Tokyo Disneyland is beginning to reduce social distancing in some shows, rides even with the record/highest number of positive tests in Japan currently." - (all those are facts so I guess no problem there, but I am sure some will)
Here is the sentence I guess is confusing to you. Let's clear it up.
Probably ( might happen) the first steps ( the initial part of loosening restrictions as it is the same type of establishment, operated by the same company) we will see in WDW in a few months (meaning 3-4 months)
Rest of my post was listing the relaxed social distancing that Tokyo Disney is doing. plus my opinion that crowds capacity as been increased, again just opinion.
From that some inferred that I was comparing, Tokyo or something else to Orlando US or whatever. Started posting graphs of cases in Tokyo etc. I reiterated that I am making no comparison at all, to no avail as poster still said that is what I was saying.
Again it is clear I wasn't comparing. full stop. just listing the changes and they might be the same steps Disney takes maybe in a few months. Really just move on. This is boring.
I have the same concerns, think you will be ok with Japan in the fall as the Olympics will help to open up travel there sooner than later.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I was agreeing with you that it was a good comparison and a good window into the steps they might take at WDW in the future when cases warrant it.
Parker in NYC
Well-Known Member
Please let me know who my groupies are because they're far outweighed by the not-groupies.
Miss Bella
Well-Known Member
International flights are back to Japan at least on AA, but they are very empty. It's a mystery to me why they are operating these flights. Military? Supplies? Your guess is as good as mine.
This is what I was talking about in my posts above. This passive aggressive "I'm better than you" "I am right and you are wrong" travel shaming is unnecessary and does not contribute whatsoever to the actual conversation that's being had. It's simply you making it known you feel you are a better and more responsible citizen for not going to Walt Disney World right now. This was simply said to "stick it" to LUVMCO and make sure we all know that *you* are not part of the problem. It doesn't stop LUVMCO or I from going now. It just adds unnecessary and unproductive noise.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m not shaming anyone for going to wdw right now. I do think it’s wrong for WDW to be open right now but that’s a decision made by the governor and it seems like many Floridians agree with his decision.
giantgolfer
Well-Known Member
So your posts are more important than mine. Got it.
Why is it unnecessary? Because you disagree? Unnecessary travel is a huge factor in why the spread is growing. You are telling me that traveling around the country to go to a theme park is necessary? Give me a break. People are dying. Good grief.
I love WDW just as much as all of you. It’s insane to travel there now. Sorry...IN MY OPINION.
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