Jrb1979
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People making their own decisions on risks is why cases are what they are now. CDC advised people not to travel for Thanksgiving but according to you that's ok cause they looked at the risks.
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GoofGoof
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It’s not my interpretation. Here’s the graphic from their latest guidlelines. Postpone travel is right there in the bottom row 2nd from the left:
You are free to travel and do what you want. The CDC has no authority to stop you. These are just recommendations. You are attempting to twist the wording but the intent is pretty clear.
Exactly, explains the risks.Here’s the CDC’s own specific risk assessment of various travel scenarios:
COVID-19 and Your Health
Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.www.cdc.gov
Looking these charts, it would be very hard to actually make a significant trip to any tourist destination and stay within their ‘lowest risk’ or ‘more risk’ categories. Air travel bumps you directly into high risk, as does interacting with people outside of your immediate community which is a given at a tourist destination.
giantgolfer
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Did you not read the sentences directly above that one?
“Travel can increase your chance of spreading and getting COVID-19. Postponing travel and staying home is the best way to protect yourself and others from COVID-19.
You and your travel companions (including children) may feel well and not have any symptoms, but you can still spread COVID-19 to family, friends, and community after travel.”
These charts directly contradict your statement above:
The CDC clearly states that not all means of travel is equal, and not all destinations are equal in risk. Your quote implies air and train travel is low risk and endorsed by the CDC. It is not.
Again , not twisting wording, at all go to CDC if you want take their evaluation of risk and make your decisions.
From the "early release study"that graphic is from this is the reference for travel
I see you used the word implies, that was your interpretation and not implied at all. I make/made no claims about which travel mode is safer, leave that to the experts.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I’m done with this discussion. The CDC has been giving recommendations from the beginning. This one is no different. They are very clearly recommending people avoid unnecessary travel. If you want to believe that’s not the case then there’s really nothing more either of us can say.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
FYI for anyone who actually cares
the graphic comes from the guidelines released Friday here:
Summary of Guidance for Public Health Strategies...
This report describes the need for implementation and adherence to mitigation strategies to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission and deaths.
www.cdc.gov
COVID-19 pandemic control requires a multipronged application of evidence-based strategies while improving health equity: universal face mask use, physical distancing, avoiding nonessential indoor spaces, increasing testing, prompt quarantine of exposed persons, safeguarding those at increased risk for severe illness or death, protecting essential workers, postponing travel, enhancing ventilation and hand hygiene, and achieving widespread COVID-19 vaccination coverage.
Miss Bella
Well-Known Member
What's happening in 2021? Are you finally going to get up the courage to eat in a restaurant or get on a plane?In normal times I agree....this year, I think the end of 2020 is really something to celebrate.More than any other year I can remember 2021 really is A New Hope on multiple levels
Figgy1
Well-Known Member
Please clarify as we're not allowed to do either
Ate lunch in a resturaunt a couple of hours ago, flying out tomorrow morning, early flight ugh. All following local and CDC guidelines. Mask in airport on plane of course.
Figgy1
Well-Known Member
We'd be in big trouble for doing either
Exactly and linked on that page is their guidelines for when to postpone travelFYI for anyone who actually cares
Summary of Guidance for Public Health Strategies...
This report describes the need for implementation and adherence to mitigation strategies to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission and deaths.
COVID-19 pandemic control requires a multipronged application of evidence-based strategies while improving health equity: universal face mask use, physical distancing, avoiding nonessential indoor spaces, increasing testing, prompt quarantine of exposed persons, safeguarding those at increased risk for severe illness or death, protecting essential workers, postponing travel, enhancing ventilation and hand hygiene, and achieving widespread COVID-19 vaccination coverage.
giantgolfer
Well-Known Member
Only if it’s safe, which it is not right now.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I was watching the movie Hacksaw Ridge the other night on some cable channel. For anyone who hasn’t seen the movie, it’s based on the true story of Desmond Doss, a continuous objector who refused to fire a weapon but served as a medic in WWII. During the battle of Okinawa his unit was sent to take a cliff called Hacksaw Ridge but they suffered heavy casualties and were forced to retreat. Doss remained on the ridge and under enemy fire rescued 75 members of his unit. He received the Medal of Honor for his actions. Now that’s courageous....but sure, eating out at a restaurant or getting on a plane sounds courageous too
Polkadotdress
Well-Known Member
From that same cdc site is a listing of many criteria, including the 2 below, and the statement that “if you answer yes to any of these you should delay your travel”.
- During the 14 days before your travel, have you or those you are visiting had close contact with people they don’t live with?
The following activities can put you at higher risk for COVID-19:- Going to a large social gathering like a wedding, funeral, or party.
- Attending a mass gathering like a sporting event, concert, or parade.
- Being in crowds like in restaurants, bars, fitness centers, or movie theaters.
- Being on trains, buses, in airports, or using public transportation.
- Traveling on a cruise ship or river boat.
- Do your plans include traveling by bus, train, or air which might make staying 6 feet apart difficult?
- https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-during-covid19.html
SoFloMagic
Well-Known Member
Is "we're all in this together" over? You're making decisions that impact everyone, not just you. That's why they recommend against. You wanna be selfish, go ahead and travel because nobody can (or will) stop you. And that's why we're in this disastrous position.
Miss Bella
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We'll I hope you can muster up the courage for all of that.I was watching the movie Hacksaw Ridge the other night on some cable channel. For anyone who hasn’t seen the movie, it’s based on the true story of Desmond Doss, a continuous objector who refused to fire a weapon but served as a medic in WWII. During the battle of Okinawa his unit was sent to take a cliff called Hacksaw Ridge but they suffered heavy casualties and were forced to retreat. Doss remained on the ridge and under enemy fire rescued 75 members of his unit. He received the Medal of Honor for his actions. Now that’s courageous....but sure, eating out at a restaurant or getting on a plane sounds courageous too
Miss Bella
Well-Known Member
I just got back from a trip to pick up a new puppy. I stayed in a hotel ate out a few times. I also went to a Christmas party last night. I plan on a return trip to WDW in about 6 weeks. I can't wait.