Walt Disney World Park Hours cut starting September 8 2020

[seascape]

Is your theory that the CDC is wrong?

I have to admit that not doing unnecessary things may be a good idea, but a better one would be to social distance and wear a mask. I have stayed at the Wyndham Midtown 45 in Manhattan twice during the outbreak. I ate outside at a few restaurants and cooked in my room for other meals. The cleaning procedures Wyndham and Disney are using make the rooms safe and the steps I took made walking and visiting the Museum of Natural History and Central Park safe. Is spending 10 to 12 hours in WDW safe? It can be but we normally spend a few hours a day at the pool and only about 8 hours in the parks. We enjoy the warm weather and just being in the parks. In any case I believe people will now postpone their next trip to WDW until after they get their vaccine. I am hoping my wife gets her shot so we can make our end of January trip and not lose our DVC points but if we can't, so be it. She will have her shot by our April trip and I will have one too, even though I have had Covid19 and should have some immunity.

The bad news is that business trave will not return to prior level. For those who doubt that and still believe it think about Zoom and competing services. The value placed on online meeting streaming services by Wall Street and investor. They know business travel will not come back the way it was in 2019. This is going to cause a big hit to both WDW and Universal. WSW just built the tower at Coronado Spring and Universal has enlarged their convention facilities. Busines travel will only return to approximately 50% according to Bill Gates and if he is close to being correct Disney and Universal have to make some long term adjustments. Orlando will have to cut decide what to do with the conversation center because is has always been heavily subsidized by the hotel tax and that revenue will also be decreased too. Face the facts, New York City may be right tourism may not return to 2019 levels until 2025 and business travel may not return to 2019 until 2030. There will be changes but being smart both companies could thrive in the future.

 

[drizgirl]

There are 10K cases a day happening in FL right now. Who is to say where the cases are coming from. It’s naive to assume that if you don’t see a news story specifically calling out something out that it’s not happening.

The CDC is recommending no unnecessary out of state travel right now. These are not necessary events. They should be canceled or at least delayed. Not at all necessary. Right now people shouldn’t be flying into FL to visit WDW either. It’s also against CDC recommendations. It’s not difficult to comprehend. In less than 6 months many things will probably change, but it’s heartbreaking to see that as a nation we have so little will power or ability to sacrifice any personal desires for the greater good. This is probably not the thread for this type of discussion so I’ll leave it at that. I know you disagree and there’s no changing either of our positions.

Just curious, are you willing to sacrifice your paycheck and health insurance for the greater good?

 

[SoFloMagic]

Still waiting on all the super spreader events that you have been saying would happen from all the events that have taken place for months now. All these events have been approved by the Orange County Health Dept. All are set up and have been operating safely. It is no different than people flying in from all over the country and even world to visit WDW daily. What is worse about these sports comps than the parks.

We don't do national contact tracing. It takes up to 8 days to get sick, and many people never develop symptoms. There's no way to know 100% where it came from. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 205,000 new cases yesterday came from somewhere.

Yall acting like fools as we go into a time period all experts say will be worse than a war.

 

[Touchdown]

Just curious, are you willing to sacrifice your paycheck and health insurance for the greater good?

Again this is a false argument as I have yet to see anyone who advocates for temporary restrictions not also advocating for more government aid. The only people against said aid are the people against restrictions. I would argue putting people in harms way unnecessarily to be great evil, but what do I know?

 

[JoeCamel]

Again this is a false argument as I have yet to see anyone who advocates for temporary restrictions not also advocating for more government aid. The only people against said aid are the people against restrictions. I would argue putting people in harms way unnecessarily to be great evil, but what do I know?

The problem is they bailed out Wall street and Main street is suffering. Have to support bars, restaurants etc. until the virus is under control but they can't be open if we want to avoid the greater economic hurt from it spreading out of control. It is a lose lose situation for many small businesses. Too bad DC spent all the money in the cookie jar (for years to come) bailing out their peers while us plebes have to work it out for ourselves.

Pinellas (St. Pete) sheriff did a bit on the news where they inspected 2800 bars and restaurants finding a full 40% were not masking and distancing properly and said many were the staff was not masked.

All this to say I see WDW cutting not expanding hours until mid to late next year

 

[GoofGoof]

So your theory it sounds like you think they should close WDW immediately. Nothing there is necessary. Or is it? Should everyone close everything you deem unnecessary otherwise it is heartbreaking and shameful. Really?

Not my theory. It’s the CDC recommendation that people shouldn’t travel. I never said WDW needed to close.

 

[GoofGoof]

Just curious, are you willing to sacrifice your paycheck and health insurance for the greater good?

You probably have to ask the CDC or the governors and health departments of a lot of states that have recommendations not to travel. Should we not have any public health or safety restrictions if they impact someone’s salary or health insurance? Should we let companies dump chemicals in our lakes and rivers because if we restrict that it will cost more to dispose of the waste and someone may lose their job? I work in the power industry. Every time a coal power plant is closed or is converted to natural gas lots of people lose their jobs. Many of those closures happen due to environmental regulations that are done for the greater good. Should that stop? The biggest difference is the things being reduced or closed right now are temporary. The government can and should pass a bail out package to bridge the gap between now and when the vaccine rollout is complete. So it’s possible to help workers without causing a public health crisis.

 

[GoofGoof]

The problem is they bailed out Wall street and Main street is suffering. Have to support bars, restaurants etc. until the virus is under control but they can't be open if we want to avoid the greater economic hurt from it spreading out of control. It is a lose lose situation for many small businesses. Too bad DC spent all the money in the cookie jar (for years to come) bailing out their peers while us plebes have to work it out for ourselves.

Pinellas (St. Pete) sheriff did a bit on the news where they inspected 2800 bars and restaurants finding a full 40% were not masking and distancing properly and said many were the staff was not masked.

All this to say I see WDW cutting not expanding hours until mid to late next year

Yeah, the government response has been pretty bad overall. The stock market is doing fine but small businesses and individual workers are suffering.

On the WDW front, they are open but not doing great. Many CMs are still unemployed so it’s not like being open is providing income or health insurance for a large number of CMs. It’s better than being closed, but the government (federal and Florida) needs to do more for workers. It’s not like adding an hour to the park hours or opening a few more restaurants is making a huge difference to all those out of work CMs.

 

[drizgirl]

Again this is a false argument as I have yet to see anyone who advocates for temporary restrictions not also advocating for more government aid. The only people against said aid are the people against restrictions. I would argue putting people in harms way unnecessarily to be great evil, but what do I know?

Being for aid doesn't make the aid happen. It's not there. It's not going to be there for a while still. So if you're advocating for closures right now, you're advocating for closures without aid.

 

[drizgirl]

The problem is they bailed out Wall street and Main street is suffering. Have to support bars, restaurants etc. until the virus is under control but they can't be open if we want to avoid the greater economic hurt from it spreading out of control. It is a lose lose situation for many small businesses. Too bad DC spent all the money in the cookie jar (for years to come) bailing out their peers while us plebes have to work it out for ourselves.

Pinellas (St. Pete) sheriff did a bit on the news where they inspected 2800 bars and restaurants finding a full 40% were not masking and distancing properly and said many were the staff was not masked.

All this to say I see WDW cutting not expanding hours until mid to late next year

I will say I'm not for wide scale closures. But I am for harsh penalties for businesses remaining open without mitigation in place and strictly followed.

 

[Jrb1979]

I will say I'm not for wide scale closures. But I am for harsh penalties for businesses remaining open without mitigation in place and strictly followed.

Many don't want wide scale closures. What many are saying is to follow the CDC guidelines. Which means not traveling right now.

 

[legwand77]

Many don't want wide scale closures. What many are saying is to follow the CDC guidelines. Which means not traveling right now.

Not my theory. It’s the CDC recommendation that people shouldn’t travel. I never said WDW needed to close.

To be completely clear CDC has not recommended healthy not to travel. Here is the travel information on the CDC page

COVID-19 and Travel

CDC travel recommendations during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cdc.gov

All they have said is that travel may increase risk of getting and spreading C19. That is it.

No matter how many people misconstrue it on this board, the CDC is very clear about it.

The only people the CDC says should not travel are those that are sick and/or tested positive for C19.

By traveling you are not going against CDC guidelines. Understand the risk and you can travel safely. CDC provides guidance on how to do that. That is why every airline, train is operating, parks are open etc.

After understanding the risk and don't want to travel that is fine. On the other hand if you travel safely via planes, trains and automobiles and go to parks, sports, events that are operating safely, that is fine too. you are still following CDC guidelines.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

To be completely clear CDC has not recommended healthy not to travel. Here is the travel information on the CDC page

COVID-19 and Travel

CDC travel recommendations during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cdc.gov

All they have said is that travel may increase risk of getting and spreading C19. That is it.

No matter how many people misconstrue it on this board, the CDC is very clear about it.

The only people the CDC says should not travel are those that are sick and/or tested positive for C19.

By traveling you are not going against CDC guidelines. Understand the risk and you can travel safely. CDC provides guidance on how to do that. That is why every airline, train is operating, parks are open etc.

After understanding the risk and don't want to travel that is fine. On the other hand if you travel safely via planes, trains and automobiles and go to parks, sports, events that are operating safely, that is fine too. you are still following CDC guidelines.

The page says -

“Postponing travel and staying home is the best way to protect yourself and others from COVID-19.”

 

[legwand77]

The page says -

“Postponing travel and staying home is the best way to protect yourself and others from COVID-19.”

exactly what I said, explains the risks, and of course staying inside and at home protects you from many things

 

[GoofGoof]

To be completely clear CDC has not recommended healthy not to travel. Here is the travel information on the CDC page

COVID-19 and Travel

CDC travel recommendations during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cdc.gov

All they have said is that travel may increase risk of getting and spreading C19. That is it.

No matter how many people misconstrue it on this board, the CDC is very clear about it.

The only people the CDC says should not travel are those that are sick and/or tested positive for C19.

By traveling you are not going against CDC guidelines. Understand the risk and you can travel safely. CDC provides guidance on how to do that. That is why every airline, train is operating, parks are open etc.

After understanding the risk and don't want to travel that is fine. On the other hand if you travel safely via planes, trains and automobiles and go to parks, sports, events that are operating safely, that is fine too. you are still following CDC guidelines.

Just stop. You are completely wrong on this. The guidance is clear and if you don’t believe me people who work for the CDC are saying it directly too:
Direct from the CDC:

Travel can increase your chance of spreading and getting COVID-19. Postponing travel and staying home is the best way to protect yourself and others from COVID-19.

In a news briefing discussion this guidance:

"The best thing for Americans to do in the upcoming holiday season is to stay at home and not travel,'' Dr. Henry Walke, the CDC's COVID-19 incident manager, said in a news briefing Wednesday.

They are not saying travel is fine as long as you aren‘t symptomatic or have tested positive. They go on to give further guidance for what to do if you chose to travel anyway but that’s not saying they recommend it. Anyone who wants to can travel if they want to, the CDC can only give recommendations but it’s factually incorrect to say they aren’t recommending against unnecessary travel.

 

[legwand77]

Just stop. You are completely wrong on this. The guidance is clear and if you don’t believe me people who work for the CDC are saying it directly too:
Direct from the CDC:

In a news briefing discussion this guidance:


They are not saying travel is fine as long as you aren‘t symptomatic or have tested positive. They go on to give further guidance for what to do if you chose to travel anyway but that’s not saying they recommend it. Anyone who wants to can travel if they want to, the CDC can only give recommendations but it’s factually incorrect to say they aren’t recommending against unnecessary travel.

All I am saying is people can go to the CDC and make their own decision of the risks. Not your take or other posters interpretations (I do disagree with your take, but that is not the point).

 

[giantgolfer]

To be completely clear CDC has not recommended healthy not to travel. Here is the travel information on the CDC page

COVID-19 and Travel

CDC travel recommendations during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cdc.gov

All they have said is that travel may increase risk of getting and spreading C19. That is it.

No matter how many people misconstrue it on this board, the CDC is very clear about it.

The only people the CDC says should not travel are those that are sick and/or tested positive for C19.

By traveling you are not going against CDC guidelines. Understand the risk and you can travel safely. CDC provides guidance on how to do that. That is why every airline, train is operating, parks are open etc.

After understanding the risk and don't want to travel that is fine. On the other hand if you travel safely via planes, trains and automobiles and go to parks, sports, events that are operating safely, that is fine too. you are still following CDC guidelines.

Pretty much everything you just said is flat out wrong.

Keep being a class act Covid denier troll. It’s getting you nowhere.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

exactly what I said, explains the risks, and of course staying inside and at home protects you from many things

No you said -

The only people the CDC says should not travel are those that are sick and/or tested positive for C19

 

[legwand77]

No you said -

I was quoting exactly from the CDC page

 

[techgeek]

All I am saying is people can go to the CDC and make their own decision of the risks. Not your take or other posters interpretations (I do disagree with your take, but that is not the point).

Here’s the CDC’s own specific risk assessment of various travel scenarios:

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

Looking these charts, it would be very hard to actually make a significant trip to any tourist destination and stay within their ‘lowest risk’ or ‘more risk’ categories. Air travel bumps you directly into high risk, as does interacting with people outside of your immediate community which is a given at a tourist destination.