Walt Disney World Park Hours cut starting September 8 2020

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Lilofan

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GoofGoof said:
Disney announced officially that 28,000 CMs who are still furloughed will be permanently laid off. Sad news for the people impacted but not surprising. Just another sign that Disney isn’t expecting a return to anything close to normal any time soon.
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In another thread layoffs were already occurring at MK for working cast members. No one is safe.
 
Figments Friend

Figments Friend

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GoofGoof said:
Disney announced officially that 28,000 CMs who are still furloughed will be permanently laid off. Sad news for the people impacted but not surprising. Just another sign that Disney isn’t expecting a return to anything close to normal any time soon.
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Apparently not even during the traditionally busy Holiday Season.
Laying all of these CMs off before the start of what used to be one of the busiest seasons is not a good sign.
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This is all very disheartening news.
Feeling for all of the Cast who are now about to lose their roles.
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GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Figments Friend said:
Apparently not even during the traditionally busy Holiday Season.
Laying all of these CMs off before the start of what used to be one of the busiest seasons is not a good sign.
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This is all very disheartening news.
Feeling for all of the Cast who are now about to lose their roles.
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Yeah, add it to the list of mounting evidence that it’s going to be a while before Disney gets its feet back under it as a company, especially the parks. They also cancelled D23 next summer and moved it back a year. A theme park fan optimist might say that’s because of all the delayed movie releases but the parks presentations are a big part of the event too and if they are worried about distancing and indoor events next summer it would make sense to cancel. I hope that things get back to normal sooner than later, but there’s not a whole lot of evidence pointing to that.
 
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legwand77

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The layoffs are not surprising in the least, two the major domestic parks are closed, with no indications from the government on being allowed to open. Employees have been furloughed for 6 months with benefits being paid. You cannot run a company carrying that load while in this case not being able to operate. WDW is just now starting to add more capacity it seems, adding more hours, opening up more restaurants, rides, shows. The layoffs while difficult are very prudent it getting the parks back to "normal". It is a smart step to opening. The majority of the layoffs are part times employees that can be brought back on as needed if they choose to return. Hopefully sooner than later. The decision on the layoffs were most likely made months ago.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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legwand77 said:
The layoffs are not surprising in the least, two the major domestic parks are closed, with no indications from the government on being allowed to open. Employees have been furloughed for 6 months with benefits being paid. You cannot run a company carrying that load while in this case not being able to operate. WDW is just now starting to add more capacity it seems, adding more hours, opening up more restaurants, rides, shows. The layoffs while difficult are very prudent it getting the parks back to "normal". It is a smart step to opening. The majority of the layoffs are part times employees that can be brought back on as needed if they choose to return. Hopefully sooner than later. The decision on the layoffs were most likely made months ago.
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If things were close to ramping up and returning to something close to normal there would be no reason to lay anyone off only to bring them right back. These layoffs were delayed in the hope that the park prospects would improve for the short to medium term. That hasn’t happened. DLR hasn‘t even opened and WDW hasn’t had the demand they had hoped for. For the short to medium term the parks are in a holding pattern, just treading water to stay afloat. That doesn’t seem to be likely to change any time soon. While these layoffs aren’t a surprise they are also a sign that the parks aren’t likely to see a large increase in demand.
 
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Lilofan

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legwand77 said:
The layoffs are not surprising in the least, two the major domestic parks are closed, with no indications from the government on being allowed to open. Employees have been furloughed for 6 months with benefits being paid. You cannot run a company carrying that load while in this case not being able to operate. WDW is just now starting to add more capacity it seems, adding more hours, opening up more restaurants, rides, shows. The layoffs while difficult are very prudent it getting the parks back to "normal". It is a smart step to opening. The majority of the layoffs are part times employees that can be brought back on as needed if they choose to return. Hopefully sooner than later. The decision on the layoffs were most likely made months ago.
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67% may be majority part time but others are full time executive, salaried, full time union and non union being let go.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Lilofan said:
67% may be majority part time but others are full time executive, salaried, full time union and non union being let go.
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67% being part time plus an unknown number of the other 33% were also front line CMs. Then for WDW you have the cancelled college program not reflected in these numbers. The vast majority of the layoffs come from variable costs of running the parks and resorts (75%+). When you cut that variable cost it’s under the assumption that it’s because the revenue and demand won’t be there. Cutting upper management and execs can be just a sign of overall corporate belt tightening but this goes well beyond that.
 
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GimpYancIent

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GoofGoof said:
67% being part time plus an unknown number of the other 33% were also front line CMs. Then for WDW you have the cancelled college program not reflected in these numbers. The vast majority of the layoffs come from variable costs of running the parks and resorts (75%+). When you cut that variable cost it’s under the assumption that it’s because the revenue and demand won’t be there. Cutting upper management and execs can be just a sign of overall corporate belt tightening but this goes well beyond that.
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All businesses look at their balance sheets and decisions are made dependent on the circumstances. Right now businesses are looking to streamline how they do business. Yes, these decision inflict difficulty on those let go but also collateral damage to others. There is no win for anyone in this. The question now becomes how to generate a quality product, at a reasonable cost, increasing demand thus ending the downward spiral and begin climbing up to more hiring. Disney has a reputation as being World Class, well, it would make sense to concentrate on maintaining that standing by generating a quality product. The people (yes, the fans) will come.
 
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giantgolfer

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legwand77 said:
The layoffs are not surprising in the least, two the major domestic parks are closed, with no indications from the government on being allowed to open. Employees have been furloughed for 6 months with benefits being paid. You cannot run a company carrying that load while in this case not being able to operate. WDW is just now starting to add more capacity it seems, adding more hours, opening up more restaurants, rides, shows. The layoffs while difficult are very prudent it getting the parks back to "normal". It is a smart step to opening. The majority of the layoffs are part times employees that can be brought back on as needed if they choose to return. Hopefully sooner than later. The decision on the layoffs were most likely made months ago.
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You continue to be tone deaf regarding this whole ordeal.
 
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Lilofan

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GoofGoof said:
67% being part time plus an unknown number of the other 33% were also front line CMs. Then for WDW you have the cancelled college program not reflected in these numbers. The vast majority of the layoffs come from variable costs of running the parks and resorts (75%+). When you cut that variable cost it’s under the assumption that it’s because the revenue and demand won’t be there. Cutting upper management and execs can be just a sign of overall corporate belt tightening but this goes well beyond that.
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The Orlando Sentinel is reporting WDW has advised the state that 6.7K non union cast will start to get laid off Dec 4. At least they have a few more weeks of collecting a paycheck or if some still furloughed, free health insurance and surviving on unemployment.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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GimpYancIent said:
All businesses look at their balance sheets and decisions are made dependent on the circumstances. Right now businesses are looking to streamline how they do business. Yes, these decision inflict difficulty on those let go but also collateral damage to others. There is no win for anyone in this. The question now becomes how to generate a quality product, at a reasonable cost, increasing demand thus ending the downward spiral and begin climbing up to more hiring. Disney has a reputation as being World Class, well, it would make sense to concentrate on maintaining that standing by generating a quality product. The people (yes, the fans) will come.
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I agree with all of this. The timing is what I was referring to. If it is true that Disney is anticipating business will pick up by the end of the year they wouldn’t lay off furloughed employees only to have to rehire them in a few months. The flip from furloughed to laid off is a signal that in the short to medium term (6+ months at least) they don’t anticipate a surge in demand. I agree that long term Disney parks will be back to a world class, quality product with increased demand and yes, the people will come back. It’s just going to take time.
 
Slpy3270

Slpy3270

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GoofGoof said:
I agree with all of this. The timing is what I was referring to. If it is true that Disney is anticipating business will pick up by the end of the year they wouldn’t lay off furloughed employees only to have to rehire them in a few months. The flip from furloughed to laid off is a signal that in the short to medium term (6+ months at least) they don’t anticipate a surge in demand. I agree that long term Disney parks will be back to a world class, quality product with increased demand and yes, the people will come back. It’s just going to take time.
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That assumes investors (especially activist ones) don't push Disney to spin-off the parks division within 6 months.

Don't believe me? Comcast is being taken over by an activist as we speak.
 

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