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Wait Lines for New Gondolas

Pooh.sHoneyHuntTDL

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Pop is our favorite resort. We were there last March and stayed in a newly renovated room. We were in 60s down toward Generation Gap bridge and could see the gondola construction. I don’t think Pop will ever be the same again. Once the Star Wars fans hit and gondola service starts up, it’ll be packed and hard to get a room. We loved staying there. We never had any issues with the buses.
Was there a bathtub or was it just showers?
 

Mr Ferret 88

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I just hope they do something with the towers , they are so ugly, not very Disney looking
I think they are planning to do exactly the same as they have done to hide the ugly monorail beams.
 

TiggerDad

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Warning: This post will probably be unpopular to practically everyone because it's not predicated on justifying preconceived notions but rather seeks to surface relevant data upon which we can base our conclusions.

I found two particles of information that people might find relevant if they are seeking knowledge vs confirmation bias:
1. The following article presents a study of the energy efficiency of electric buses vs diesel. Seems like electric buses in the real world operated at about 2 kWh per mile or 1.25 kWh per kilometer. The data table comparing the efficiency with compressed gas buses is deceptive because it doesn't present comparable numbers in different columns. At any rate, the 4.04 miles/gasoline gallon equivalent is equivalent to about 8 kWh per mile.
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/02/22/electric-buses-efficient-as-he-nrel-finds/
2. The following page presents that the Doppelmayr install at Koblenz Seilbahn uses 0.1 kWh to transport one rider one kilometer. It's sketchy to use this as a proxy for the Disney Skyliner, but let's do that.
http://gondolaproject.com/category/cable-transit-industry/

So we've got a 60 passenger CNG bus using 8 kWh per mile, which amortizing across passengers and converting to kWh per kilometer, actually gets you about 0.1 kWh to transport one rider one kilometer. So if we use these cases as proxies, the two are about equivalent in energy efficiency. The additional factor of the carbon efficiency of the sourced electricity generation and other efficiencies could give either an edge.

But it would be better if we could improve the estimates by using an actual diesel bus mileage. Plus we could have a useless discussion accounting for the human efficiencies. But really, we are unlikely to have any more discussion because I bet that at least one of the sets of parties in the argument doesn't really care about actually discussing facts but rather is just looking to justify their narrative. And yes, I'm hoping that this blatant passive-aggression encourages better behavior. Ha! I hope it at least makes people laugh!
Not sure I should be encouraging people who are bringing facts to this thread by responding :), but don't forget to account for the distance traveled by the two options. For CBR-DHS, it's a straight shot on the gondola, but the bus will have to drive much longer to go around. It's even worse for Epcot, as the bus has to go all the way around to the main entrance, while the gondola goes to IG. Even the zig-zag route it takes is far shorter.
 

spock8113

Active Member
Pop, the absolute go to.
As for the SkyWay, clearly the gondolas won't move fast and that's the largest drawback.
How long will it take to go from point A to Point B, and if their are changes mid-flight, is that going to add to your travel time where you simply opt for the old reliables, or OOooober?
It's one of the few recent ideas I think is a good idea, it just has to be implemented smartly to get the most out of it.
 

Minnie1976

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Yea, because Disney would surely never do anything like that in the old days.
A wonderful picture💞. I loved the skyway! Bring it back!!! I can’t wait to ride the gondalas! What fun! If they can’t accommodate my husband’s scooter he can park it and we will ride back to get it or I will ride the gondalas by myself!
Nothing could have been scarier than during the New Orleans world fair riding the gondalas across the Mississippi River and back. Scary and fun at the same time!!!
 

Goofyernmost

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A wonderful picture💞. I loved the skyway! Bring it back!!! I can’t wait to ride the gondalas! What fun! If they can’t accommodate my husband’s scooter he can park it and we will ride back to get it or I will ride the gondalas by myself!
Nothing could have been scarier than during the New Orleans world fair riding the gondalas across the Mississippi River and back. Scary and fun at the same time!!!
More good news.... They will easily accommodate your husbands scooter. Worry not!
 

NormC

Premium Member
Pop, the absolute go to.
As for the SkyWay, clearly the gondolas won't move fast and that's the largest drawback.
How long will it take to go from point A to Point B, and if their are changes mid-flight, is that going to add to your travel time where you simply opt for the old reliables, or OOooober?
It's one of the few recent ideas I think is a good idea, it just has to be implemented smartly to get the most out of it.
A lot quicker than the buses. Gondola is direct and even at the rumored 11 mph it will still get you there faster than the bus that is forced to use the roadways and deal with stops and traffic.
 

MisterPenguin

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Premium Member
People keep comparing gondola time to bus time by presuming you can show up at a bus stop, immediately walk on, and the bus immediately takes off. Now, sure, that can sometimes happen... but is that really the norm for buses?

Think about every time one has waited 15 minutes for a bus to show up. Or for how the line for the bus was so long, you had to wait for the second bus. And the wait to unload and reload two ECVs.

Average in all that extra wait time for buses before doing the comparison.
 

MikeyK72

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People keep comparing gondola time to bus time by presuming you can show up at a bus stop, immediately walk on, and the bus immediately takes off. Now, sure, that can sometimes happen... but is that really the norm for buses?

Think about every time one has waited 15 minutes for a bus to show up. Or for how the line for the bus was so long, you had to wait for the second bus. And the wait to unload and reload two ECVs.

Average in all that extra wait time for buses before doing the comparison.

Good points. I guess we can factor in the dreaded driver change delay too.
 

Damon7777

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, the longest being CBR to IG with a stop at Riviera.
"stop"
Is that your way of saying transfering to a different pod and ultimately to a different line?

If yes, then I'm curious as to the mechanics of the 2 queues fusing.
 

nickys

Premium Member
"stop"
Is that your way of saying transfering to a different pod and ultimately to a different line?

If yes, then I'm curious as to the mechanics of the 2 queues fusing.
No, not an actual stop nor a transfer. It was a poor turn of phrase!

There is a station at Riviera for guests to board or disembark, so the line will slow as it goes through the station. It’s possible it may stop for ECV or wheelchair boarding if necessary, as there is no double bullwheel to allow cabins to be pulled off.
 

larryz

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It’s possible it may stop for ECV or wheelchair boarding if necessary, as there is no double bullwheel to allow cabins to be pulled off.
I really can't see the haul rope stopping for ECV/stroller loading.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
People keep comparing gondola time to bus time by presuming you can show up at a bus stop, immediately walk on, and the bus immediately takes off. Now, sure, that can sometimes happen... but is that really the norm for buses?

Think about every time one has waited 15 minutes for a bus to show up. Or for how the line for the bus was so long, you had to wait for the second bus. And the wait to unload and reload two ECVs.

Average in all that extra wait time for buses before doing the comparison.
... and even if they don't eliminate buses completely, they will certainly reduce the number so the wait for a bus would get even longer, if that's even an option. If you have to wait 15 minutes for a bus, you can almost certainly have reached your destination already on the gondola.
 
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