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Wait Lines for New Gondolas

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
AOA is already priced higher than moderates. I'm going in April and it was priced higher than all the moderates.
I know this isn't just me because it's a common phobia, but I'm terrified of heights. I stopped skiing because I won't go on chair lifts anymore. I wouldn't get on this thing for anything.....that said we drive to the parks from our hotel because we had terrible experiences with busses and even monorail before. We love the boats though. I just wonder if Disney took into account how many people have a serious aversion to heights?
If you drive and have a car available then you have no problem, if you don't have a vehicle there are others available or you can use the Gondola's, but, you don't have too. No one is going to be standing in the lobby with a rifle forcing you to use them. It is strictly your choice. At this point, you can take the Gondola, if you have a car you can take that, which is something that it sounds like you do anyway, use a Minnie Van or not stay at a Gondola Resort. Phobia, although a problem for the people with them, are not considered a handicap and are not covered under ADA.

Realistically, if any company had to provide options for all the possible phobia's in the world, all the places like WDW would close up. It wouldn't be possible to modify for every possible scenario. And it is really not realistic to think that Disney will make water connections between all those resorts and the two parks. That's asking to much when one does have options even if it isn't buses. All the laws insist on is that people have access, everyone has access, I go to WDW all the time and do not have to do any of those things if I don't want too with the exception of MK. In which case you have to use the Monorail, the ferry's or a resort bus. (or a Minnie Van) I don't know if the Minnie goes to the front gate. Someone else might know the answer to that.
 

Lensman

Premium Member
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Warning: This post will probably be unpopular to practically everyone because it's not predicated on justifying preconceived notions but rather seeks to surface relevant data upon which we can base our conclusions.

I found two particles of information that people might find relevant if they are seeking knowledge vs confirmation bias:
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2. The following page presents that the Doppelmayr install at Koblenz Seilbahn uses 0.1 kWh to transport one rider one kilometer. It's sketchy to use this as a proxy for the Disney Skyliner, but let's do that.
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So we've got a 60 passenger CNG bus using 8 kWh per mile, which amortizing across passengers and converting to kWh per kilometer, actually gets you about 0.1 kWh to transport one rider one kilometer. So if we use these cases as proxies, the two are about equivalent in energy efficiency. The additional factor of the carbon efficiency of the sourced electricity generation and other efficiencies could give either an edge.

But it would be better if we could improve the estimates by using an actual diesel bus mileage. Plus we could have a useless discussion accounting for the human efficiencies. But really, we are unlikely to have any more discussion because I bet that at least one of the sets of parties in the argument doesn't really care about actually discussing facts but rather is just looking to justify their narrative. And yes, I'm hoping that this blatant passive-aggression encourages better behavior. Ha! I hope it at least makes people laugh!
 
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MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
AOA is already priced higher than moderates.
Right. AoA has always been much higher priced than other values for a long time. Mostly because they're family suites.

Just want to point that out before someone looks at the AoA prices and thinks they're high because of the gondolas.

As of right now, we can see the pricing for Pop, AoA, and CBR until the end of 2019. None of those resorts have a price hike beyond the usual increase all resorts go through.

If WDW is going to hike prices this year for those resorts because of the gondola and/or SWL, it'll be a bit too late since most reservations for the Fall will already be made.
 

larryz

Can't 'Member Anything
Premium Member
Right. AoA has always been much higher priced than other values for a long time. Mostly because they're family suites.

Just want to point that out before someone looks at the AoA prices and thinks they're high because of the gondolas.

As of right now, we can see the pricing for Pop, AoA, and CBR until the end of 2019. None of those resorts have a price hike beyond the usual increase all resorts go through.

If WDW is going to hike prices this year for those resorts because of the gondola and/or SWL, it'll be a bit too late since most reservations for the Fall will already be made.
Resort Fee coming summer of 2019, confirmed!
 

ErikSorensen

New Member
Why? Neither of the park terminals are inside the parks.

Agreed, it would be best if the security checks were at the resorts, but...
Perhaps they will expand the security perimeter similar to what was done for the monorail/MK, and have the security checkpoint before the terminal(s)?
 

Cado603

Member
If you drive and have a car available then you have no problem, if you don't have a vehicle there are others available or you can use the Gondola's, but, you don't have too. No one is going to be standing in the lobby with a rifle forcing you to use them. It is strictly your choice. At this point, you can take the Gondola, if you have a car you can take that, which is something that it sounds like you do anyway, use a Minnie Van or not stay at a Gondola Resort. Phobia, although a problem for the people with them, are not considered a handicap and are not covered under ADA.

Realistically, if any company had to provide options for all the possible phobia's in the world, all the places like WDW would close up. It wouldn't be possible to modify for every possible scenario. And it is really not realistic to think that Disney will make water connections between all those resorts and the two parks. That's asking to much when one does have options even if it isn't buses. All the laws insist on is that people have access, everyone has access, I go to WDW all the time and do not have to do any of those things if I don't want too with the exception of MK. In which case you have to use the Monorail, the ferry's or a resort bus. (or a Minnie Van) I don't know if the Minnie goes to the front gate. Someone else might know the answer to that.
So I stay at BWV and have no car because I flew in and do not wish to be shoved like cattle into a tiny gondola with no air conditioning especial in summer Oh and they look like lots of stairs or do you have to get in a small elevator to get in this small gondola or walk.
 

GeneralKnowledge

Well-Known Member
So I stay at BWV and have no car because I flew in and do not wish to be shoved like cattle into a tiny gondola with no air conditioning especial in summer Oh and they look like lots of stairs or do you have to get in a small elevator to get in this small gondola or walk.
Staying at BWV you’ll have no obligation to use the gondolas. They aren’t being constructed with the intention of serving your resort. You may continue to walk or boat to either of the parks serviced by the gondolas.

EDIT: Also....no stairs....and no elevator
 

MikeyK72

Well-Known Member
So according to your guidelines, if they do not act on 100% of the the opportunities they should just do nothing? That’s kind of a ridiculous way to look at it. Are there more things that ‘could’ be done? Of course but when they do, all they get are complaints like ‘the AC isn’t cold enough’ or ‘I can’t believe they are taking straws away!’ I take a more reasonable and less absolutist view that they should get credit for what they are doing instead of obsessing about what they aren’t doing.
...and let's not forget about the "single-ply toilet paper" complaint worthy of it's own thread. :)
 

Damon7777

Well-Known Member
Do we know if there will be a security checkpoint before gondolas? That's what will really add to the wait times.
I question the policy of a no bag check pre gondola.......buses have no bag check so who knows.


As for bag check affecting total wait times that would highly depend on traffic patterns. It may or may not affect.
 

Damon7777

Well-Known Member
Expect your wait to increase due to bag check when there are very few guests using the gondola.

Expect your total wait to be unaffected when many are using the gondola system.
 

flynnibus

Well-Known Member
AOA is already priced higher than moderates. I'm going in April and it was priced higher than all the moderates.
Were you looking at the family suites? (effectively 2 rooms)... AOA is higher than the other values for single rooms, but cheaper than moderates for single rooms.
 

clarabellej

Active Member
Pop is our favorite resort. We were there last March and stayed in a newly renovated room. We were in 60s down toward Generation Gap bridge and could see the gondola construction. I don’t think Pop will ever be the same again. Once the Star Wars fans hit and gondola service starts up, it’ll be packed and hard to get a room. We loved staying there. We never had any issues with the buses.
 

Storm

Member
Were you looking at the family suites? (effectively 2 rooms)... AOA is higher than the other values for single rooms, but cheaper than moderates for single rooms.
A lot cheaper than moderate for single rooms , about a $900 difference if not even more depending on date , i'm confused as to how he/she managed to see it as more expensive than CBR for example
 

Demarke

Well-Known Member
This is the telling quote from the article listed for me:


I don't know how much Singapore runs their system in lightning storms- or even how often they get them- but it seems that if an engineer who has built them all over the world says they can't run in lightning, then that's a much better answer for me than all of us who like to think we know what we're talking about (and I very much include myself in that. lol)
The same article says this later on (which makes me think they may only be referring to shutting down in severe lightning storms):

“St. Petersburg transportation director Evan Mory said the city worked with LeClair and his real estate company Echelon on the grant application. Mory said the city used years of research LeClair had done on gondola technology, which all points to a feasible transportation system in the Florida climate.

"It's not a danger for lightning strikes or any of the wind you'd receive in a normal storm," Mory said. "It would start swinging and become uncomfortable before it would become dangerous. Just like the highway patrol makes a decision when to close the (Sunshine Skyway) bridge in certain wind situations, there'd be a decision to close down that system."”
 

ThatMouse

Well-Known Member
As of right now, we can see the pricing for Pop, AoA, and CBR until the end of 2019. None of those resorts have a price hike beyond the usual increase all resorts go through.

If WDW is going to hike prices this year for those resorts because of the gondola and/or SWL, it'll be a bit too late since most reservations for the Fall will already be made.
One form of price hike is reducing the amount of rooms that are discounted. For example, Mermaid rooms never get discounted. You pay rack rate. That's why people say AoA is higher, nothing to do with the family suites. So, a Pop price hike would be every room getting sold at rack, which I suspect will happen this year (edit Oct - Dec).
 
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