Volcano Bay

[trr1]

Okay, so I'll agree that capacity issues are part of the problem.....but and its a big but. We can't sit here and act like they shouldn't have expected these capacity issues. Wet n wild was #4 most visited park in the country.
In this day and age, trust me Universal is using analytics. They knew exactly the amount of people that would come to this park....They also knew exactly how Tapu, Tapu would handle the volume. Also, don't tell me about inexperienced ride ops slowing things down either especially two weeks into it. I also don't want to hear that they had no back up plan. They had to know this was going to happen. This is not Universals first time opening up a park. If you think this whole situation wasn't intentionally done, then you are choosing to be naive about this. This is why they are fast tracking additional slides before the park even opened up.. This was the plan all along. Multi billion dollar organizations don't fall into chaos like this by accident. They plan chaos.

There is also a fix for this whole problem.....wait for it....Reduce capacity!!!! Universal will never do that. They would rather you wait around and spend more money on drinks and food... And this was the intended master plan all along!
I read a thread this morning how someone said things were improving. He got to ride 7 whole slides the other day.
It is amazing how people are willing to put the blinders on for Universal.

but don,t people also do this with other parks in the area

 

[lazyboy97o]

Somebody on this thread has already told us it's not a brand new system and mentioned exactly where it's from. I'm not sure what you mean by 'thereby pushing all those in that virtual queue to another virtual queue'? If there were other slides with no virtual queue then why assume people couldn't go on those rather than assuming they'd join a second virtual queue (you could still maintain only 1 virtual reservation at a time).

I don't know the names or the capacity of all the slides so how could I tell you which to make virtual and which to make standby only? I'm merely stating that the option of doing that could possibly work along with suggestions of altering capacity and increasing slide loading times. The fact that I cannot tell you which slides should be tapu, tapu and which slides could be standby only doesn't prove my idea wrong, it may not work however we're suggesting ways of trying to improve things and I've yet to see concrete evidence that nothing can better the current system. I'm not saying I or anyone has the perfect solution right now, but I'm merely trying to see whether there's other ways of doing stuff.

As for "Try something else to see if it helps" is not a realistic game plan" would mean you never try anything to improve things, how does that work? Do you think that the reason systems evolve is down to people not trying tweaking things or trying improving things, do you believe that genuinely?

The system is by Accesso and there is plenty of experience with mixed physical and virtual stand-by. It just makes things worse.

If you didn't say that I apologise. It's been said by somebody on here dismissing any alterations or discussions of alterations and I thought it was you. I originally suggested some tweaks of the new system and was shot down instantly, that has led to me suggesting other ideas to have a continuing debate and this is where you seem to have joined in. I've never said a particular idea of mine was right, some refuse to debate anything to do with tapu, tapu though including your "If you want to say get rid of Tapu Tapu and that'll create shorter lines- I'll agree with you 110%" statement. They won't discuss anything else including small tweaks or changes which is very frustrating.

You're the only one constantly saying anything about Tapu Tapu being perfect. It is a straw man you created. You're suggestions are dismissed because they would exacerbate, not improve, the problems and challenges of a virtual stand-by system.

 

[mergatroid]

You're the only one constantly saying anything about Tapu Tapu being perfect. It is a straw man you created. You're suggestions are dismissed because they would exacerbate, not improve, the problems and challenges of a virtual stand-by system.

No you're the one arguing the system is fine as it is, any suggestion of changing or tweaking it by me is met by you disagreeing that any changes to it could improve things. You wont debate it and guess what, they already tweaked it at the weekend.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No you're the one arguing the system is fine as it is, any suggestion of changing or tweaking it by me is met by you disagreeing that any changes to it could improve things. You wont debate it and guess what, they already tweaked it at the weekend.

That is still your straw man.

 

[cheezbat]

I find the opposite.

For Disney, people take out the pitch forks and hyper analyze everything. Almost to an unfair level... I will admit some of it is warranted with some of the stuff Disney has put out in the past few years.

For Universal, it's fans seem more willing to overlook projects that are not up to snuff.
I also feel that more Universal fans will not look objectively at what is being offered to them. The rose colored glasses are still on and maybe rightfully so...potter wasn't that long ago.

I have to agree with you. In some cases people condemn every move and others let anything go by like it's deserving of a pass because of the good they've done.
I judge each park and their additions and decisions individually. Disney's Fantasyland looks great but was way too light in substance. Their Frozen sing along is a cheap joke. Pandora though is amazingly well done...up to Disney standards of the past.
Universal knocked it out of the park with the Wizarding World...and I feel they did so again with Kong, but Fallon was a misstep, and they've also made a few mistakes with Volcano Bay.

Nobody is perfect, but we should judge each project fairly.

 

[lebeau]

I find the opposite.

For Disney, people take out the pitch forks and hyper analyze everything. Almost to an unfair level... I will admit some of it is warranted with some of the stuff Disney has put out in the past few years.

For Universal, it's fans seem more willing to overlook projects that are not up to snuff.
I also feel that more Universal fans will not look objectively at what is being offered to them. The rose colored glasses are still on and maybe rightfully so...potter wasn't that long ago.

Depends on who you talk to. I know plenty of Disney fans who think everything Disney does is perfect and who would never consider setting foot in a Universal park even if it was free. When I told a coworker I was going to Universal this year, he unironically called me a traitor.

In my personal experience, Disney fans tend to be less objective. In fact, most Disney fans I know I would describe as borderline crazy. And I know a lot of them. I wish Disney fans were more critical. Then Disney couldn't get away with some of the things they have done over the last decade or so.

 

[JT3000]

I find the opposite.

For Disney, people take out the pitch forks and hyper analyze everything. Almost to an unfair level... I will admit some of it is warranted with some of the stuff Disney has put out in the past few years.

For Universal, it's fans seem more willing to overlook projects that are not up to snuff.
I also feel that more Universal fans will not look objectively at what is being offered to them. The rose colored glasses are still on and maybe rightfully so...potter wasn't that long ago.

How does one look objectively at the merits of a theme park? How does one objectively define what is "up to snuff" and what isn't? Or is this one of those "my perception is reality" moments? It's all subjective. Whether the fans of a particular park chain are being critical or wearing rose-colored glasses, their opinion is their own, and often based largely on bias. These generalizations of yours are no different. It's the Disney fan in you that sees only criticism for Disney and adoration for their competitors, which is a far cry from how these fandoms actually work. Fans of other parks may seem defensive on sites like this one, but that's because those same people you see criticizing Disney have made an art form out of pulverizing their competitors into a fine dust, not because they think these other parks are perfect. Before their mass extinction about a decade ago, Universal fansites were actually a thing, and there was plenty of criticism.

I don't believe most people are making excuses in the case of Volcano Bay. We all recognize there's a problem. To the contrary, I'm seeing an excess of negative hyperbole in this thread. Maybe that's just the Universal fan in me, or perhaps it's just the logical recognition that this park is brand new and has kinks to work out. If you think this is bad, read up on the botched opening of Universal Studios Florida. Somehow it's still in operation 27 years later.

 

[JT3000]

I could give you a well thought out response

That's it, I'm convinced.

but sir you went well over your limit in B-ll Sh-t in that post.

No I didn't. I'm on the WDWMagic Premium BS Plan. It's only $9.99 a month with no caps.

 

[misterID]

I could give you a well thought out response but sir you went well over your limit in B-ll Sh-t in that post.

He actually gave you a pretty well thought out post.

I'm a WDW fan. The state of the park and UNIs build up made me more interested in UNI. I was still a fan of WDW but they lost vacation days from me. Recently that has changed and I think UNI dropped the ball. The onslaught of lazy, Screen based attractions, the tribalism mindset of some fans who gleefully threw stones at "pixiedusters" are getting really abrasive and condescending with the "SCREENZ" nonsense (which is funny seeing now UNI execs are now pushing back on the abundance of screens, when the UNIheads praised screens and lambasted AAs).

Saying that, Pixiedusters are really insufferable, but I've noticed they're not as bad as they used to be. The snark in me says the uniheads deserve the hyperbole seeing what buttheads they've been, especially when beating their chests on how KONG was going to "drink Pandora's milkshake" and Volcano Bay was going to be so much better than Pandora. I bought into the KONG hype, I didn't with VB, so I'm not going to be harsh there. It's a new water park, kinks happen. But the uniheads deserve the egg on their face.

 

[mergatroid]

I love both parks personally. I think the perception that Universal gets less criticism on here is understandable yet explainable. There's always going to be some from both camps who want to criticise one and defend the other on every subject imaginable, they can be ignored mostly. Those just being honest with no biass, often judge Disney to a different standard perhaps because back in the day the gulf between what the two parks did was quite big. Whereas the theming of Disney attractions was nearly always spot on, Universal didn't have the space (or the money) to compete to that level. Especially after Potter that seems to have changed and now folk are looking at Disney to match up with their new projects and I believe they have with Pandora and that Star Wars Land will also.

Also there's much less traffic on this particular sub forum, many probably never come on it. A minority of the posters on here possibly defend Universal on things they wouldn't for Disney as they're fans, but with there being less posts on here it may seem like it happens more than it actually does. It wouldn't surprise me if some think I'm against Universal due to my posts on this thread about VB but it's not the case, I started a thread about how I was unhappy about the FP+ system at Disney when that came out. Truth be known I still prefer the old method for paper FP's at Disney, some may agree or disagree but having an opinion doesn't make me a hater or fanboy of either park as long as that opinion is honest.

 

[rushtest4echo]

Just got an email letter showing interactive Tapu elements. That's just blatant false advertising at this point. When I walked the park before opening I just assumed they'd rush everything together at the last minute. Seems like they tried that but still could get much of it done.

Can anyone think of a few elements that Uni didn't under-deliver on? They certainly over-promised on nearly everything, and the apologists seem to be fine with "well give it a year and maybe they'll finish the place". And I find if astonishing that anyone thinks 6 or 7 slides in a 9 hour day is anywhere close to acceptable. At all 3 of the other Orlando water parks I've been able to ride 6 or 7 slides within the first 2 hours on the busiest of days. On memorial day, I rode a similar Hydromagnetic slide up at Dollywood 5 times within the first hour. People can continue their marketing spiel of "but I'd rather be eating/sitting at the pool/doing a lazy river" but it's a ridiculous proposition for the entire day and nobody's actually buying it.

 

[flynnibus]

On memorial day, I rode a similar Hydromagnetic slide up at Dollywood 5 times within the first hour

Might have been good for you... but that would suggest it's not so good for the park itself

 

[captainkidd]

Just got an email letter showing interactive Tapu elements. That's just blatant false advertising at this point. When I walked the park before opening I just assumed they'd rush everything together at the last minute. Seems like they tried that but still could get much of it done.

Can anyone think of a few elements that Uni didn't under-deliver on? They certainly over-promised on nearly everything, and the apologists seem to be fine with "well give it a year and maybe they'll finish the place". And I find if astonishing that anyone thinks 6 or 7 slides in a 9 hour day is anywhere close to acceptable. At all 3 of the other Orlando water parks I've been able to ride 6 or 7 slides within the first 2 hours on the busiest of days. On memorial day, I rode a similar Hydromagnetic slide up at Dollywood 5 times within the first hour. People can continue their marketing spiel of "but I'd rather be eating/sitting at the pool/doing a lazy river" but it's a ridiculous proposition for the entire day and nobody's actually buying it.

This is the part that gets me. Rides break down all the time. I can deal with that, though to be fair, I don't think I've ever seen a waterslide break down before. Maybe I just expect more out of both Disney and Universal, but "let them work out the kinks" doesn't fly with me. If you want a trial period to figure things out, then charge a trial admission, not full price.

 

[flynnibus]

King of anecdotal facts strikes again...

Slides used to just be physical slides with water pumps and splash pools. Not much to break except the surface breaking down, or poop in the pool. Modern slides have safety interlocks, gates, sensors, AND all the original stuff.

 

[JoeCamel]

He actually gave you a pretty well thought out post.

I'm a WDW fan. The state of the park and UNIs build up made me more interested in UNI. I was still a fan of WDW but they lost vacation days from me. Recently that has changed and I think UNI dropped the ball. The onslaught of lazy, Screen based attractions, the tribalism mindset of some fans who gleefully threw stones at "pixiedusters" are getting really abrasive and condescending with the "SCREENZ" nonsense (which is funny seeing now UNI execs are now pushing back on the abundance of screens, when the UNIheads praised screens and lambasted AAs).

Saying that, Pixiedusters are really insufferable, but I've noticed they're not as bad as they used to be. The snark in me says the uniheads deserve the hyperbole seeing what buttheads they've been, especially when beating their chests on how KONG was going to "drink Pandora's milkshake" and Volcano Bay was going to be so much better than Pandora. I bought into the KONG hype, I didn't with VB, so I'm not going to be harsh there. It's a new water park, kinks happen. But the uniheads deserve the egg on their face.

At least get the terminology right - it is not "uniheads" it is wandwavers!

 

[mergatroid]

King of anecdotal facts strikes again...

Slides used to just be physical slides with water pumps and splash pools. Not much to break except the surface breaking down, or poop in the pool. Modern slides have safety interlocks, gates, sensors, AND all the original stuff.

Fair point. Out of interest, did Wet 'n' Wild have these or is this all brand new technology?

 

[flynnibus]

Fair point. Out of interest, did Wet 'n' Wild have these or is this all brand new technology?

WetnWild has been operating for decades... with countless changes of equipment.. but hasn't installed every slide to be new at the same time in this era of modern safety standards. You're comparing apples and oranges. I'm sure if you go back you'll find when WnW opened new stuff, there could be teething issues.. just like there is in every new attraction at every park.

When slides are going down multiple times a day a few months after opening.. call me.

 

[mergatroid]

WetnWild has been operating for decades... with countless changes of equipment.. but hasn't installed every slide to be new at the same time in this era of modern safety standards. You're comparing apples and oranges. I'm sure if you go back you'll find when WnW opened new stuff, there could be teething issues.. just like there is in every new attraction at every park.

When slides are going down multiple times a day a few months after opening.. call me.

I doubt they will be, they just probably need fine tuning. I'm assuming Wet 'n' Wild had some slides that were built recently with the same safety standards, genuinely don't know this as I'd not visited it in over 20 years?

 

[captainkidd]

King of anecdotal facts strikes again...

Slides used to just be physical slides with water pumps and splash pools. Not much to break except the surface breaking down, or poop in the pool. Modern slides have safety interlocks, gates, sensors, AND all the original stuff.

I know that wasn't directed at me as I didn't state anything as fact. Just my experience. If it was directed at me, guess we should call you the King of comprehension failure.

 

[captainkidd]

Who said I wouldn't go? I'm an AP holder. I'll be at Universal for 8 nights next month. I just don't excuse serious issues because I'm a fan.

That's about as rude as I can be on a theme park message board. Acting like a tough guy behind a computer is one thing. Doing it on a Disney fan forum is just too funny to throw insults to.