MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

Agent H

Agent H

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Tha Realest said:
Pacify the Muppets fans? You mean the legions and legions of fans that can’t keep a succession of reboots and restarts on the air, and keep Muppetvision a quiet respite in an otherwise crowded and underbuilt park?
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Eh from what I understand muppetvision was about as popular as a 3d show can be guest satisfaction scores were pretty good and it was located next to the main entrance to the biggest land in the park
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Agent H said:
Eh from what I understand muppetvision was about as popular as a 3d show can be guest satisfaction scores were pretty good and it was located next to the main entrance to the biggest land in the park
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I love it. It is also sparsely attended. I don’t think that means they should get rid of it, or that Muppets (historically) are bad. But I think claims of large numbers of “Muppet fans” are overblown
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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MR.Dis said:
I forget who it is, but there is a well known poster who constantly mentions capacity. So this is the wrong question, the correct question is do 2 rides address the capacity problem? And what should also be considered is since you are pouring all this money now, is it not more economical to add another attraction or 2 now rather that say adding attractions several years later when costs will only go up? Again, they do not all need to be E ticket rides--a B and C type attraction would do just fine. Think of what it would cost Disney today to add just one attraction to Toy Story or Avatar.
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But is capacity actually a problem for Disney? It is most profitable to run a park at or near capacity. Unless the lack of capacity starts making guests not show up, then is it really a problem?
 
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rle4lunch

rle4lunch

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I think that ANYTHING going in over Muppets is an improvement and will help them spread crowds and bring in more $$, i.e. LL money for themselves. The only thing going for that show was the air conditioning. Both west and east coast shows were low attended attractions that were easy to maintain (milk it till it dies or we have a replacement!). The only reason it lasted as long as it did in DHS was because they didn't have money to demolish it and replace it. The only reason people attended (many, not all) was because they were trying to get the most ROI on their DHS ticket and felt they should see all the attractions possible in order to feel they got their "moneys worth" out of a woefully attraction-lacking park.
 
Dranth

Dranth

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danlb_2000 said:
But is capacity actually a problem for Disney? It is most profitable to run a part at or near capacity. Unless the lack of capacity starts making guests not show up, then is it really a problem?
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We have already seen the lack of capacity have an impact on the parks in the past so if they want to try and push attendance back to those 2018/19 levels they need to add something.
 
dclick4968

dclick4968

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Disstevefan1 said:
I don't think WDW will see 2018/2019 levels of attendance for a long time, if ever again.

WDW of 2018/2019 does not resemble todays WDW in terms of pricing and value.
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That's on purpose, no? Economics 101. Biggest customer complaint was overcrowding. Raise prices to lower crowds, yet still maintain profitability via increased per guest spend. That's why in their eyes, the "Disney is too expensive for the average family" mentality falls on deaf ears.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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dclick4968 said:
That's on purpose, no? Economics 101. Biggest customer complaint was overcrowding. Raise prices to lower crowds, yet still maintain profitability via increased per guest spend. That's why in their eyes, the "Disney is too expensive for the average family" mentality falls on deaf ears.
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Unfortunately all parks are built for big crowds. Disney's problem is they never kept up capacity for the crowds they had.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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dclick4968 said:
That's on purpose, no? Economics 101. Biggest customer complaint was overcrowding. Raise prices to lower crowds, yet still maintain profitability via increased per guest spend. That's why in their eyes, the "Disney is too expensive for the average family" mentality falls on deaf ears.
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Well raising prices on everything while reducing offerings does work to reduce crowding.

Not so sure its good business.
 
DisDude33

DisDude33

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Brer Panther said:
If the Muppets are really unpopular enough to justify MuppetVision closing, why is Disney retheming Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster to it?
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Because they are losing the rights to Aerosmith and slapping the muppets on that ride for a few years is a relatively cheap to solve that problem without having to put much thought or effort into it.
 
Disnutz311

Disnutz311

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As suggested by danlb_2000, I will post this here for those that are interested... The below is a screenshot from a well know development/realtor in Orlando discussing something he found on a website where projects are put out to bid. Looks like Villians Land has some kind of plans far enough along for a contractor to bid on. Job worth up to 50 million just for the construction company and work to start 60 days after bid accepted. I would say things are moving along. Just hope it gets to dirt moving.

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DCBaker

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Disnutz311 said:
As suggested by danlb_2000, I will post this here for those that are interested... The below is a screenshot from a well know development/realtor in Orlando discussing something he found on a website where projects are put out to bid. Looks like Villians Land has some kind of plans far enough along for a contractor to bid on. Job worth up to 50 million just for the construction company and work to start 60 days after bid accepted. I would say things are moving along. Just hope it gets to dirt moving.

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Here's the video, which should start where Ken is talking about Villains Land:

 

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