vagabondarts
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I don’t think we will see this ever get built
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News Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom
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vagabondarts
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Yeah it seems really ambiguous. Also like they are copying Uni a bit with their monsters land… idk seems like the kind of thing a company playing catchup would do, not a market leader.
I run a school trip of 80-100 high school kids every two years. 5 Day trip (one day at each WDW park and 1 hopper day for Universal). At the end of each trip I always send out a survey to collect data for future planning and Magic Kingdom always rates as the least favorite day by far.
If Disney goes outside their comfort zone and builds ONE massive scale top 10 in the world coaster and throws it in the edgy scary land in the back of the Magic Kingdom, that's transformative for that park for that teenage and young adult demographic. There are enough family coasters in the park. Build one to draw in the coaster crowd.
If Disney goes outside their comfort zone and builds ONE massive scale top 10 in the world coaster and throws it in the edgy scary land in the back of the Magic Kingdom, that's transformative for that park for that teenage and young adult demographic. There are enough family coasters in the park. Build one to draw in the coaster crowd.
Epcot82Guy
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I've heard "Villains Not-So-Dark Exploration Adventure World" is the current front runner. They heard complaints about the odd, complex names recently and wanted to address that. I am glad they are finally listening to their fan base...
Quietmouse
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Meh to the crowds who are saying this won’t get built. I think the epic universe threat is real. Universal obtaining the Nintendo and Pokémon ip is no joke. Those characters are equally iconic as Mickey, Minnie and Google.
Harry Potter is one thing, as it never target disneys target demographic anyway - teens, young adults. But obtaining the usage of Mario, Luigi , donkey Kong and even Zelda is massive for universal.
That’s why I think Disney will actually proceed with villians land. They need a response to universal epic, and not just because universal is creating a horror land. Universal is entering territory with their expansion with the 3rd park and water park to create a vacation package where people can realistically create a 4 day trip for the university parks and never visit Disney.
In the past you could knock out universal in 2 days. Now it’s easily entering 3 to 4 day territory and that’s what scares Disney more than anything else.
So realistically they need villains land, if nothing else to assure that there’s more to do, and ultimately force people to stay and not get lured by universal.
Harry Potter is one thing, as it never target disneys target demographic anyway - teens, young adults. But obtaining the usage of Mario, Luigi , donkey Kong and even Zelda is massive for universal.
That’s why I think Disney will actually proceed with villians land. They need a response to universal epic, and not just because universal is creating a horror land. Universal is entering territory with their expansion with the 3rd park and water park to create a vacation package where people can realistically create a 4 day trip for the university parks and never visit Disney.
In the past you could knock out universal in 2 days. Now it’s easily entering 3 to 4 day territory and that’s what scares Disney more than anything else.
So realistically they need villains land, if nothing else to assure that there’s more to do, and ultimately force people to stay and not get lured by universal.
Mike S
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I wonder if Disney would ever dare go with a Velocicoaster scale ride in Magic Kingdom.
vagabondarts
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Villain’s Dark Adventure
I think Epic Universe will mainly cannibalize the other Universal parks, not really impact Disney. The cult like fandom with Disney is like nothing I’ve seen in any other sector of the marketplace. Maybe Apple.
Tha Realest
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Interesting theory- that the competition is not so much the scary spectrum, but rather the kid set that loves Nintendo and Mario and Pokémon.
Cars makes a lot of sense in that context
Quietmouse
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It’s really not needed.
1 incredible coaster won’t change magic kingdoms perception.
If anything it will be net negative. Young parents are disneys biggest demographic, along with older grandparents. They want to be able to ride the rides with their 4 year old. That’s the appeal of Disney.
When you start creating a line up of rides with height restrictions as well as restrictions for the older population that have high blood pressure/spinal issues/heart disease then your excluding 2 major demographics for Disney for the appeasement of 1 - teens and young adults.
But ultimately that was never Disney focus, and to start now would be fruitless as one major coaster won’t all of sudden swing perception pendulum.
James Alucobond
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Cars, Tiana, and the rumored Moana all do in that context. Prior to the recent changes and announcements, the western lands of MK included just 4 non-park IP-based attractions. Of those, 3 hadn’t been touched in decades (Tom Sawyer, Swiss Family, Song of the South). The other has an incredibly sad spinner. And attempts to reverse-engineer attractions into franchises really only worked for Pirates (to an extent). Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise, and Country Bears were more or less failures. I think their goal is to find a balance so that all sections of the park have a couple of immediately familiar IP-based lures, and Frontierland has been far and away the most lacking on this front.
EPCOTCenterLover
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Haunted Mansion a failure? I don't think it ever moves off of most people's Top Ten must-dos in the Kingdom. Does it?
ToTBellHop
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The movies have failed.
James Alucobond
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This. Was talking about the attempted film tie-ins with those examples.
UNCgolf
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This is really the biggest issue for Disney. Even they did build one coaster that was intense enough to interest big coaster enthusiasts, one just isn't enough. Most of them aren't going to go to ride just one attraction when there are numerous other parks that offer many, so it likely wouldn't be a massive draw for that demographic.
They're really too far behind to catch up to other parks for that demographic, unless they wanted to solely invest in monster coasters for several new attractions in multiple parks. But that wouldn't do much to help capacity for their core audience, while attracting more guests solely for those coasters, so it would potentially cause more problems than it would solve.
Their best bet if they really wanted that market would be to build a 5th gate that mainly revolved around big coasters, but I don't think that would be worth the investment for Disney.
doctornick
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I don’t think they would not do I think they should. They don’t need coasters that intense at WDW.
Cosmic Rewind is IMHO about the perfect level of intensity they should aim for with this coaster.
MagicEye99
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100% agree with this. If WDI is trying to play catch-up with Universal and begin appealing to the teen/young adult demographic in 2024, then they are setting themselves up for failure, and it will bite them swiftly. If everyone recalls, WDI attempted to "mature" the Parks back in the late 80s-90s with the introduction of Splash Mountain, Star Tours, Body Wars, Dinosaur, RNRC, ToT, Alien Encounter, etc. Everyone loves/loved these attractions, and they're certainly more thrilling than your Fantasyland dark rides, but their introduction did not alter the perception of the Parks as family friendly first, and thrilling second (or maybe even third or fourth). That's because being accesible and NOT thrilling is woven into the fabric of the Parks' being - if WDI ever wanted to pretend that this wasn't the case, it would ultimately alienate much of its customers who trust Disney to provide family friendly, but quality, entertainment.
Winter
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I think a roller coaster on the intensity of Everest would work well for a villains land.