VIDEO - Part two of Imagineering's tour through Enchanted Tales With Belle

NADisney

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At DCA's Disney Animation attraction - The Beast's Library is not to scale, but it still has the same effect as being in the actual movie library.



I'm a single Adult. I have enjoyed meeting the characters with friends , or by myself to take pics with. I also enjoy watching others react to something they never have experienced before, especialy when you know whats going to happen..it just makes it more magical - the first reaction in the streatching rooms of the HM , that first drop on Pirates, entering MunchkinLand in TGMR,being attacked by a Dinosaur with a photo flash. These are Magical Moments -and whats best about it. It's a Disney Magical Memory - that you share , and reflect on when you feel sad.

It's not my money thats being spent to build the attraction, But It is my time to enjoy it, or not.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I don't think that it's fair to say that the division of feelings here boils down only to entitlement. I personally don't agree with the idea that everything should be for everyone, I think there should simply be something for everyone. But, what bothers me is that, while attractions with height restrictions can be seen as rites of passage that one grows into (IE: "I'm FINALLY tall enough to ride Splash Mountain!") Storytime with Belle is something that can potentially be "grown-out" of. And for me, the slight disappointment I feel comes from the understanding that I am already "out". As a twenty-something male with no children, I can only imagine the looks I will get when going to experience this attraction to see the amazing looking Wardrobe and Lumiere animatronics. I don't like the idea that I may have to worry about concerning parents with young children when trying to enjoy the attraction for its technological merits. It's an odd combination that they have here -- high profile tech and design accomplishments mixed in with a show that seems to be meant exclusively for children. Not that I think kids wom't appreciate the show - seeing Lumiere brought to such stunning life is sure to thrill many children and only add to their experience, and I'm glad Disney didn't go the route of playing down to them with less thrilling tech. One day I hope to enjoy this attraction with my kids. But until then, it seems like it would be super awkward for me and the guests around me if I wanted to see it for myself by myself. And why would I want to feel that way or make anyone feel that way in Disney World?

But it's not that I feel entitled - if the park did not charge admission it would be entitlement. I paid eighty-some-odd bucks to see what the park has to offer, and if I can't enjoy some of its best magic because I'm an adult without kids, it's unfair to me as a customer. This isn't Dumbo's play area where I don't feel like I'm missing anything, these are world class animatronics that look to be worth seeing live. Disney has put some really widely appealing content into a context that is somewhat dismissive of that appeal, and I think it's a fair critique to suggest that this is unusual of them, and may be disappointing to some paying guests. They have the right to do whatever they want in the park, but as a customer I have the right to form whatever opinion I feel of the changes that they make. I think this is an enormous step forward from the original attraction, and I applaud that effort. I only wish, now that they've made it into something that I find worth seeing, that it was also not socially unappealing for me to do so. It puts me in a weird position when all I want to see is some brilliant animatronic design work, knowing that not everyone in the room may understand that intention. Maybe if more attractions with elements of this caliber were scattered more frequently throughout the parks (or at least maintained -- yes, you, Mr. Yeti) it wouldn't be as much of a problem. In the meantime, Lumiere looks like he may be the best animatronic in Walt Disney World, and once I pay my admission to the park I am literally just as deserving of quality entertainment as any other guest in the park who paid the same rate that I did. I think it's fair that I want to see him.
 

alissafalco

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I don't think that it's fair to say that the division of feelings here boils down only to entitlement. I personally don't agree with the idea that everything should be for everyone, I think there should simply be something for everyone. But, what bothers me is that, while attractions with height restrictions can be seen as rites of passage that one grows into (IE: "I'm FINALLY tall enough to ride Splash Mountain!") Storytime with Belle is something that can potentially be "grown-out" of. And for me, the slight disappointment I feel comes from the understanding that I am already "out". As a twenty-something male with no children, I can only imagine the looks I will get when going to experience this attraction to see the amazing looking Wardrobe and Lumiere animatronics. I don't like the idea that I may have to worry about concerning parents with young children when trying to enjoy the attraction for its technological merits. It's an odd combination that they have here -- high profile tech and design accomplishments mixed in with a show that seems to be meant exclusively for children. Not that I think kids wom't appreciate the show - seeing Lumiere brought to such stunning life is sure to thrill many children and only add to their experience, and I'm glad Disney didn't go the route of playing down to them with less thrilling tech. One day I hope to enjoy this attraction with my kids. But until then, it seems like it would be super awkward for me and the guests around me if I wanted to see it for myself by myself. And why would I want to feel that way or make anyone feel that way in Disney World?

But it's not that I feel entitled - if the park did not charge admission it would be entitlement. I paid eighty-some-odd bucks to see what the park has to offer, and if I can't enjoy some of its best magic because I'm an adult without kids, it's unfair to me as a customer. This isn't Dumbo's play area where I don't feel like I'm missing anything, these are world class animatronics that look to be worth seeing live. Disney has put some really widely appealing content into a context that is somewhat dismissive of that appeal, and I think it's a fair critique to suggest that this is unusual of them, and may be disappointing to some paying guests. They have the right to do whatever they want in the park, but as a customer I have the right to form whatever opinion I feel of the changes that they make. I think this is an enormous step forward from the original attraction, and I applaud that effort. I only wish, now that they've made it into something that I find worth seeing, that it was also not socially unappealing for me to do so. It puts me in a weird position when all I want to see is some brilliant animatronic design work, knowing that not everyone in the room may understand that intention. Maybe if more attractions with elements of this caliber were scattered more frequently throughout the parks (or at least maintained -- yes, you, Mr. Yeti) it wouldn't be as much of a problem. In the meantime, Lumiere looks like he may be the best animatronic in Walt Disney World, and once I pay my admission to the park I am literally just as deserving of quality entertainment as any other guest in the park who paid the same rate that I did. I think it's fair that I want to see him.

Seriously i wouldn't worry at all about experiencing this as a single male. Unless you are doing something creepy or acting weird believe me no one will notice you at all. I wouldn't let the fact that you are a single male stop you from experiencing this. How will anyone know that you are even alone anyway in a crowded room full of people? I say go for it. Don't forget you are at WDW not at a small playground in a park creeping around. It's a very different situation.
 

lazyboy97o

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Now, if they had made it look aged and made the bookshelves overly fancy, some people on here would be complaining that it doesn't look like the movie. I could see some complaining that they didn't make the library 7 or 8 stories tall like in the movie. Not saying you are one of those people, but from what I've seen on here, I wouldn't be surprised if people did start saying things like that.
It is an issue of tactility and texture. Nothing in this video suggests anything more than rooms decorated to look like a library. The texture of materials and tectonics of construction do not create an actual library. That is the problem. This is a place that knows it is pretending, not a place that considers itself to be real. Illusions of height could have been employed, but the issue goes beyond scale.

It seems people are losing sight that this attraction, and this expansion, and this theme park are all aimed towards families with young children. Could you imagine what a kid will feel like when he's chosen to play the beast or when Belle is talking to him/her? I would have been ecstatic! So, instead of being angry that you can't participate, or that it's only built for kids, remember that you used to be a kid, and kids today will love this attraction, especially the interactivity it offers.
The exact type of entertainment that Walt Disney repeatedly said he was seeking to avoid with Disneyland. Being accessible to little kids is different than being exclusively for little kids.
 

doctornick

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The exact type of entertainment that Walt Disney repeatedly said he was seeking to avoid with Disneyland. Being accessible to little kids is different than being exclusively for little kids.

Unless I'm missing something, this attraction falls under the "accessible to little kids" category that Walt promoted, doesn't it? Why couldn't an adult enjoy this attraction?
 

lazyboy97o

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Unless I'm missing something, this attraction falls under the "accessible to little kids" category that Walt promoted, doesn't it? Why couldn't an adult enjoy this attraction?
You really do not think there would be an awkwardness if an adult sought to experience this attraction alone or with other adults? Vicarious enjoyment is not what Walt was seeking. In fact, it is specifically what he said he was seeking to avoid. Being accessible to little kids means they and their adult companions will find enjoyment that is not vicarious. Being exclusive to little kids means that it really only works for little kids, vicarious enjoyment will be present, but nothing will reach much higher than seeking to impress little kids.
 

threeyoda

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The exact type of entertainment that Walt Disney repeatedly said he was seeking to avoid with Disneyland. Being accessible to little kids is different than being exclusively for little kids.

But Walt had the idea to build Disneyland while watching his kids ride a carousel... and then opened Disneyland with a carousel front and center in Fantasyland. In order for a park to survive and do well, there has to be a mix of attractions for all ages. Some thrilling rides for adults and older kids, some family rides for everyone, and some kiddie rides for little kids. Most of the highest profile parks in the world have this variety that allows them to be so high profile. It's not hurting anyone if there are a couple attractions in the parks that only little kids can really enjoy.
 

threeyoda

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You really do not think there would be an awkwardness if an adult sought to experience this attraction alone or with other adults? Vicarious enjoyment is not what Walt was seeking. In fact, it is specifically what he said he was seeking to avoid. Being accessible to little kids means they and their adult companions will find enjoyment that is not vicarious. Being exclusive to little kids means that it really only works for little kids, vicarious enjoyment will be present, but nothing will reach much higher than seeking to impress little kids.

How would anyone in the room know that you are alone without children? Like @alissafalco said, as long as you aren't acting like a creep, and just stand with the other adults in the attraction, there should be no problem at all.
 

lazyboy97o

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But Walt had the idea to build Disneyland while watching his kids ride a carousel... and then opened Disneyland with a carousel front and center in Fantasyland. In order for a park to survive and do well, there has to be a mix of attractions for all ages. Some thrilling rides for adults and older kids, some family rides for everyone, and some kiddie rides for little kids. Most of the highest profile parks in the world have this variety that allows them to be so high profile. It's not hurting anyone if there are a couple attractions in the parks that only little kids can really enjoy.
A carousel is not exclusive to children, it is accessible. Adults can ride and enjoy them just as well aside from vicariously. One of the most missed aspects of carousels, the brass ring toss, is even limited to only those large enough to reach the rings. Having a mix is different than complete segregation down to a very narrow, limited audience that is the least demanding of all when it comes to the aspirations of the medium.

How would anyone in the room know that you are alone without children? Like @alissafalco said, as long as you aren't acting like a creep, and just stand with the other adults in the attraction, there should be no problem at all.
How people feel is not entirely dependent on how others act. If Disney builds the "architecture of reassurance," there is nothing reassuring about making somebody feel awkward just for being present. And even if the adult in question does not feel uncomfortable, the interior spaces and the story do not at all aspire to engage the adult on any level.
 

doctornick

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You really do not think there would be an awkwardness if an adult sought to experience this attraction alone or with other adults?

I understand the sentiment and recognize it will exist. But I don't think it should -- you are in WDW and there's absolutely nothing wrong IMHO with wanting to "be a kid" and experience this attraction even as an adult without children. I mean you have lots of people saying that they want to see all the intricate details and the quality AAs and I think they put those things in specifically to be enjoyed by adults. I see this as a way to make a boring M&G that would be enjoyed only by kids and tailor it so that everyone can find something appealing in it.

Just MHO. But you're in Disney, go and enjoy the magic. I'm sure the CMs will encourage adults to enter the attraction and be happy to point out that it's not just for kids.
 

threeyoda

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How people feel is not entirely dependent on how others act. If Disney builds the "architecture of reassurance," there is nothing reassuring about making somebody feel awkward just for being present. And even if the adult in question does not feel uncomfortable, the interior spaces and the story do not at all aspire to engage the adult on any level.

But they're not supposed to engage the adult. Again, this is one of the few attractions built specifically for kids in a park catered to kids in a resort built by a company that is centered around children's entertainment. Not everything in Disney World has to involve and engage everyone. There are plenty of rides in the four parks that the little kids who this is built for can't go on.
 

Skyway

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When Turtle Talk With Crush first opened, I don't recall anyone complaining about that show.

How is Belle's attraction any different?

Cool, cutting edge technology is featured in a show that is aimed at and participated in BY KIDS. You watch a turtle interacting with children.

Same with Belle.

Of course, without seeing the show yet there's no way to gauge its entertainment value. But if Turtle Talk is any indication (or Jedi Training Academy of "America's Funniest Home Videos" or "Kids Say The Darndesr Things"), part of the enjoyment of the show is watching the kids' wide-eyed, innocent, or purely comedic reactions.

And THAT is why this does not appear to be a show "just for kids". It is just as enjoyable for the adult audience as the kids who get to participate.

That type of show may not be to your liking. That's not Disney's problem. If crowds of people will bake in the Florida sun standing in a long line just to get photos with Belle, you can bet there will be a huge audience anxious to see this show. Who knows? The popularity may someday require Disney to expand the attraction...just as they were forced to do with Turtle Talk.
 

lazyboy97o

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But they're not supposed to engage the adult. Again, this is one of the few attractions built specifically for kids in a park catered to kids in a resort built by a company that is centered around children's entertainment. Not everything in Disney World has to involve and engage everyone. There are plenty of rides in the four parks that the little kids who this is built for can't go on.
Walt Disney said on a number of occasions that he was not aiming at children. He recognized the limited appeal and why he thought one would end up "dead" for doing that. Walt Disney World nor The Walt Disney Company were created to produce children's entertainment. There is a huge difference between child-like and childish, and being for families and being for children. They are not the same.
 
This looks like a lot of fun! But something just hit me, since this place is opening in December, how is this going to affect the princess meet n greet place in main street theater when this place officially opens?
 

dman1373

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what happens if there isn't enough people
Like what if only the slowest day it starts raining and no one goes to the attraction except a few.
 

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