danlb_2000
Premium Member
This is an interesting point. Does Disney believe that attendance growth has maxed out, or at least reached a point of diminishing returns?
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Upcoming/Rumored Projects
- Thread starter wdwmagic
- Start date
This is an interesting point. Does Disney believe that attendance growth has maxed out, or at least reached a point of diminishing returns?
Great post. It should also be noted that with twice as many theme parks, you'd expect WDW to have roughly twice as many things on the list. The parks of WDW really lack when "attraction density" is examined, especially the often mentioned DAK and DHS.
Genie of the Lamp
Well-Known Member
We should probably update/add in that mystery project for Epcot opening in 2015 as well to the list.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
Universal definitely had to play catch up starting in 2006. They haven't passed any Disney park in attendance, but I've gone on record saying I think this is possible once Phase 2 of Potter opens.
Considering how vague that rumor is, I definitely wouldn't consider it valid without more information.
Genie of the Lamp
Well-Known Member
The thing is though Jerry Rees stated he is working on the mystery project for EPCOT scheduled to open in 2015. If you look at that thread and listen to the podcast I linked there (on pg.6), he definitely confirmed that he met with Disney/TDO about this and that they are going to start development on this project very soon (once Mystic Manor opens). You're right, we need more info, but he won't and can't give it until they give him permission to do so. That's why we must consider it a rumor, but I won't lose sleep over it if it ain't updated.
Exactly, if our future looked a bit more like...
2012: Fantasyland Expansion (MK), Test Track 2.0 (E)
2013: Princess Meet and Greet (MK), Start of DHS Makeover/Monsters Inc. Door Coaster (DHS), Festival of the Lion King Relocation (DAK)
2014: Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (MK), Rhine River Cruse (E)
2015: Beauty & The Beast Show Replacement (DHS), North America/New Camp Minnie-Mickey (DAK)
2016: Tomorrowland Refurbishment Started/Stitch's Great Escape Replacement (MK), Imagination 4.0 (E)
2017: Little Mermaid Show Replacement (DHS), Mysterious Island (DAK)
2018: Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor Replacement (MK), New Japan Attraction (one of Bullet Train Simulator/Mt Fuji/etc.)
2019: Radiator Springs Racers (DHS), South America (DAK)
2020: Tomorrowland Speedway Updated/Tomorrowland Refurbishment Complete (MK), Universe of Energy Update (E)
2021: Star Wars Attraction (DHS), Australasia (DAK)
2022: New Major Tomorrowland/Adventureland/Frontierland Attraction (MK - would open late 2021 for the 50th Anniversary), New World Showcase Pavilion/Wonders of Life Redo (E - for the 40th Anniversary)
...then we would be a lot happier - we wouldn't be ecstatic (for example, MK probably needs a major attraction before 2022, and a Tomorrowland update should not take 4-5 years, and the parks need "more" attractions, not just "attractions being replaced").
But what have I really listed here?
8 new attractions (and not all major - probably 3xE, 2xD, 2xC), 4 replacement rides, 4 replacement shows, 2 meet and great areas, 3 new animal areas 1 pavilion and 1 new theatre over 4 parks, and 10 years - it doesn't seem like that would be asking too much...
PeterAlt
Well-Known Member
I see it very simply...
Everest, Soaring, Stitch, Lights Motors Action were all projects Eisner announced before stepping down. Everything after was under Iger. Universal was bought out by Comcast. Everything you see Universal do now is because of the support of its new owner.
It's all about who's in charge and who's running the show. Iger is expected to step down before or by 2015. So, Disney's new CEO may start building as aggressively as Comcast is now for Universal or how Eisner was pre-2006.
cheezbat
Well-Known Member
That's the hope of Disney fans. Sadly, I don't see it becoming reality.
Oh and on that list, I think everybody forgot that Islands of Adventure is getting a Jurassic Park expansion in 2014/15.
PeterAlt
Well-Known Member
Comcast said they will invest $1.5 billion on USF attractions, not including the new hotel that they're building. Not all the attractions they will build with that money has been announced.That's the hope of Disney fans. Sadly, I don't see it becoming reality.
Oh and on that list, I think everybody forgot that Islands of Adventure is getting a Jurassic Park expansion in 2014/15.
disneyeater
Active Member
Doesn't the Simpsons "land" open this summer as well? I am looking forward to the day I can get a duff or flaming moe at Moe's Tavern.
jdmdisney99
Well-Known Member
I like when there are threads like this to actually visualize the new attractions coming to WDW and UNI at similar times.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
Yes, and that's substantial - but I was only highlighting D/E ticket attractions
disney fan 13
Well-Known Member
So... Carsland is not green, nether is avatar, and there is nothing else on the plate for Disney after 7DMT... While Universal is in the middle of a revitalization much larger then DCA, Plus Seaworld is stepping up it's game as well, so the question is when will Disney begin to fight back and will it be enough?
Cliff Racer
Member
It is important though, Hogsmeade is similar and I'd argue that the town does a lot more to bring in guests than that, admittedly great sounding, ride does. New Fantasyland tried to do it to but I can't comment on its success until the work is done and we see it as a complete whole. On the whole though I'd say that that is one area where Universal has been putting in more effort than Disney, if only because Disney's theming is already adequate while UNI has had to retheme areas as attractions are ripped out.
cheezbat
Well-Known Member
Yeah and the crazy thing is, the supposed number for Transformers and Potter 2.0 is around the $600 million mark...that would leave $900 million left on future attractions...including the new Jurassic Park expansion.
PeterAlt
Well-Known Member
If Iger decides to sit idly by and not fight fire with fire, one thing is clear: Disney will lose market share to Universal. Spending a half billion here and a half billion there on FLE and Avatar, when you break it down per park, it's actually half that. When you break Universal's $1.5 billion down per park, they're spending $750 million per park. That's THREE times more per park than the $250 million per park Disney is spending!
Over at the Cars Land thread, I was attacked for having the opinion that the company's failure and inaction over re-aquisition of its Marvel Comics IP (i.e. theme park rights east of the Mississippi river) sets a bad precedent. This is what I meant by that. Comcast sees this, as they also see Disney's lack of response to their $1.5 billion investment plan. Comcast can now have the confidence they need to walk all over them and take advantage of the situation! Each year as attendance at WDW declines and USO increases, do you think Comcast will be polite and give Disney a hand to get back up? No, they will keep punching to make sure they stay down.
In summary, the issue that nags at me isn't so much about Marvel, but the fact that the competition is totally taking advantage and firing missiles in rapid succession and Disney isn't firing back or putting up an Iron Dome. Maybe secret plans are in the works for a counter-strike. If not, it will be up to Iger's successor. I just hope its not too late then.
PeterAlt
Well-Known Member
You hit the nail on the head!
JohnnyDepp
New Member
I'm so sad that another Dark Ride isn't in the works, especially since the fall of Snow White. Another thing to bring up- I haven't seen it in person, but I know that in DCA, the Cars land absorbs a large space. Do you have any ideas on where it would be located in WDW?
The are currently housing the Backlot tour and Lights, Motors, Action.