Unpopular Opinions: DLR Edition

[mickEblu]

LOL STILL GUTTING HAUNTED MANSION THO

Haha but no.

 

[fravit]

Haha but no.

Sorry I did it already. It's gone. The show now goes stretchy room, portrait hall, warehouse full of dirt.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The day Disney decides to demolish Pirates and Mansion is the day I stop going.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Sorry I did it already. It's gone. The show now goes stretchy room, portrait hall, warehouse full of dirt.

@Chairman Bob your HM merch sales are in trouble.

 

[TROR]

It is our burden to educate @fravit on art and culture. The disrespect of history, tradition, and good morals is truly sad.

 

[fravit]

It is our burden to educate @fravit on art and culture. The disrespect of history, tradition, and good morals is truly sad.

lol nah

 

[TROR]

lol nah

You’re done.

 

[Californian Elitist]

lol nah

In all seriousness, Pirates and Mansion are not only brilliant rides, but they are very historical and are examples of the mid-century evolution of technology, as well as products of early imagineering.

I do find it sad that you find no value in that, but to each their own.

 

[fravit]

In all seriousness, Pirates and Mansion are not o my brilliant rides, but they are very historical and are examples of the mid-century evolution of technology, as well as products of early imagineering.

I do find it sad that you find no value in that, but to each their own.

I think they have plenty of value in a certain context. But I also that think in a competitive theme park market, they don't serve much value beyond nostalgia and history. I'm okay with things like Tiki Room and Lincoln sticking around because in the case of the former the footprint is small, and the case of the latter, I don't think the front of the park in an area that frequently gridlocks is a good place for a high capacity modern attraction.

But I think the longer time goes on and we keep seeing evolution in the theme park tech, attractions like mansion and pirates are going to look more and more like travelling museum exhibits than anchor rides for major areas of the park. I'd rather see most of those sets and props retired to something like the Disney Archives exhibits that we see at D23, or maybe even travelling walk-through shows.. I don't think this has anything to do with me being unable to value the attractions themselves , or disrespecting art and traditions. Those statements, I feel, are a bit grandiose given the subject matter. Like I said, nothing is untouchable. I would miss the old, but I would welcome the new.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I think they have plenty of value in a certain context. But I also that think in a competitive theme park market, they don't serve much value beyond nostalgia and history. I'm okay with things like Tiki Room and Lincoln sticking around because in the case of the former the footprint is small, and the case of the latter, I don't think the front of the park in an area that frequently gridlocks is a good place for a high capacity modern attraction.

But I think the longer time goes on and we keep seeing evolution in the theme park tech, attractions like mansion and pirates are going to look more and more like travelling museum exhibits than anchor rides for major areas of the park. I'd rather see most of those sets and props retired to something like the Disney Archives exhibits that we see at D23, or maybe even travelling walk-through shows.. I don't think this has anything to do with me being unable to value the attractions themselves , or disrespecting art and traditions. Those statements, I feel, are a bit grandiose given the subject matter. Like I said, nothing is untouchable. I would miss the old, but I would welcome the new.

The Disney parks aren’t in competition with each other. I disagree about your “museum exhibit” comment as well (and your entire post) l. Those rides have been around for 50+ years and consistently pull in crowds.

If you want new, buy a plane ticket to Shanghai.

 

[fravit]

If you want new, buy a plane ticket to Shanghai.

I mean, I say all of this knowing full well that this is an "unpopular opinion", and that it'll never happen.

Given that reality that I have always been aware of - I do want "new". So I'll just wait for Galaxy's Edge ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

It’s not just a Disneyland ride. Pirates of the Carribean is my father.

Were you conceived on a PotC boat?

 

[mickEblu]

Were you conceived on a PotC boat?

Unfortunately yes. Sorry mom.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I think they have plenty of value in a certain context. But I also that think in a competitive theme park market, they don't serve much value beyond nostalgia and history. I'm okay with things like Tiki Room and Lincoln sticking around because in the case of the former the footprint is small, and the case of the latter, I don't think the front of the park in an area that frequently gridlocks is a good place for a high capacity modern attraction.

But I think the longer time goes on and we keep seeing evolution in the theme park tech, attractions like mansion and pirates are going to look more and more like travelling museum exhibits than anchor rides for major areas of the park. I'd rather see most of those sets and props retired to something like the Disney Archives exhibits that we see at D23, or maybe even travelling walk-through shows.. I don't think this has anything to do with me being unable to value the attractions themselves , or disrespecting art and traditions. Those statements, I feel, are a bit grandiose given the subject matter. Like I said, nothing is untouchable. I would miss the old, but I would welcome the new.

Despite their age, Pirates and Mansion not only stand as some of the best of their genre, but are still considerably more ambitious than almost all of the dark rides that have followed them. And not just compared to other Disney rides, but compared to most all attractions built by Universal, Six Flags, and so on. That's an impressive legacy that's pretty impossible to replicate with anything they could possibly build in their place.

I value Pirates and Mansion more than I value the vast majority of Disney's actual filmography, the thing the CEO says I'm supposed to care about at the expense of the parks. Certainly I'm not the only one on the forum who feels that way.

I'm sure that many of the newest attractions overseas make them look like child's play; that doesn't necessarily mean that they should head for the scrap heap. You don't go around the world and raze the other Pooh rides just because Pooh's Hunny Hunt exists.

 

[fravit]

Despite their age, Pirates and Mansion not only stand as some of the best of their genre, but are still considerably more ambitious than almost all of the dark rides that have followed them.

Oh no your username is literally "PiratesMansion"... I have angered the final boss.

You don't go around the world and raze the other Pooh rides just because Pooh's Hunny Hunt exists.

I mean ... you don't. I might.

 

[Rich T]

I’ve never been on Hunny Hunt, but...from watching videos of it... The 1st room (blustery day)is the only part I like. The rest looks like a complete snooze. A bouncy projection room followed by a big, mostly empty space Heffalump room where you only get to see 1/3 of the effects, then a lame ending. Give me a traditional tracked dark ride full of crash doors and in-your-face effects any day—as long as it’s not the DL Pooh.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Oh no your username is literally "PiratesMansion"... I have angered the final boss.



I mean ... you don't. I might.

Final boss...haha! I'll take it as a compliment!
Although I'm hardly the first or last to have a name on here that incorporates both of those rides.

But I guess that could be part of the larger philosophical question...do you remove something just because a better version exists? That'd mean that a good chunk of Magic Kingdom, allegedly the most highly attended theme park in the world, would be totally gone, as hardly anything in that park is 'best of its type,' IMO. Is it OK to sacrifice the widely-considered-inferior version of TOT for MB? Many on this forum would say no (My view on this has been evolving, and right now I'm somewhere in the middle). Do you tear down Revolution at Magic Mountain just because Viper comes online? Do you tear down Viper because a smoother 10-looping coaster is built in the UK?

Even I, who have spent far too much time playing the comparison game, would have to say no. There's a point where it stops making sense to think that way, IMO.

 

[TROR]

Technology can never replace art.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Technology is art.

 

[mickEblu]

Final boss...haha! I'll take it as a compliment!
Although I'm hardly the first or last to have a name on here that incorporates both of those rides.

But I guess that could be part of the larger philosophical question...do you remove something just because a better version exists? That'd mean that a good chunk of Magic Kingdom, allegedly the most highly attended theme park in the world, would be totally gone, as hardly anything in that park is 'best of its type,' IMO. Is it OK to sacrifice the widely-considered-inferior version of TOT for MB? Many on this forum would say no (My view on this has been evolving, and right now I'm somewhere in the middle). Do you tear down Revolution at Magic Mountain just because Viper comes online? Do you tear down Viper because a smoother 10-looping coaster is built in the UK?

Even I, who have spent far too much time playing the comparison game, would have to say no. There's a point where it stops making sense to think that way, IMO.

Better versions exist? Where?