Universal to build a new On-Site Hotel

djlaosc

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People will pay to stay on property because...it's ON PROPERTY! Having everything within walking distance or a short boat ride away is a huge perk. Not to mention getting early access at the parks and discounted items using your room key.

Do you currently get discounted items using your room key? The Universal website currently states...

  • Priority seating at select restaurants throughout both theme parks and enjoy first available seating at select Universal Orlando and CityWalk restaurants.
  • Complimentary delivery of merchandise purchased throughout the resort to your on-site hotel room.
  • Resort-wide charging privileges with your room key card. Use your hotel room key card to charge food and merchandise at Universal Orlando locations where credit cards are accepted.
...among other things, but nothing about discounted items.

If you do get discount, could you tell me more about it?
 

lazyboy97o

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Even without discounts. Why do people stay at Walt Disney World resorts when they get what? Bus service. Extra Magic Hours. Free parking at the theme parks. What else am I missing? Why is it perfectly normal to want to be "surrounded by the magic" and stay at a Walt Disney World Value Resort, but simply wanting to be immersed at Universal is without merit?
 

maxairmike

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After some digging on the Orange County Property Appraiser and the help of Google Maps, the owner of the Wet N Wild land is Southwest Land Company Inc. with a mailing address to a large office center in Newport Beach, CA c/o Mark IV Capital. The park land (or the park as a whole? Hard to tell, if anyone knows the legal history or could interpret it better than I that would be appreciated) was sold to them in 1986. They appear to be nothing more than you're average real estate development/holding company, although I can't imagine it would be prohibitively expensive to buy them out as they are very much a Southwest/West Coast centric company.

Now, in regards to purchasing land...Universal actually has no shortage of land that it owns. The only thing is that all the other land isn't exactly close to the current development, and it is in some areas broken up by other land owners or major roads. Universal City Management Properties is relatively flush with developable land if they can come up with an efficient way of getting between its largest undeveloped parcel (an approx. 580 acre plot of 3 properties, plus another 100 acres if they buy out a vacant plot of land right on Sand Lake that borders the north side of said property). Oh, and there is also another large plot (180 acres) on the north side of Sand Lake between John Young Pkwy and the turnpike. Lots of room still.

I'm still digging (I love doing this kind of stuff, you should have seen me go when the Orlando Thrill Park was announced and I had everything tracked down and connected in about two hours. I was helping a friend at Rosen write a paper on its imminent failure), but there's a lot of land and a lot of different sales and such to look at. If you're curious, I would suggest starting here.
 

Jimmy Thick

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Even without discounts. Why do people stay at Walt Disney World resorts when they get what? Bus service. Extra Magic Hours. Free parking at the theme parks. What else am I missing? Why is it perfectly normal to want to be "surrounded by the magic" and stay at a Walt Disney World Value Resort, but simply wanting to be immersed at Universal is without merit?

Um for starters, Fastpass is free to all resorts.

And there is no "magic" at Universal, just an illusion that takes guests to Disney World were there is real magic.



Jimmy Thick- Keepin' it short, keepin' it simple...
 

wdwmagic

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Even without discounts. Why do people stay at Walt Disney World resorts when they get what? Bus service. Extra Magic Hours. Free parking at the theme parks. What else am I missing?
You are missing Magical Express, Package Delivery, In-park Charging to the Room. These are items that people seem to genuinely value.
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
After some digging on the Orange County Property Appraiser and the help of Google Maps, the owner of the Wet N Wild land is Southwest Land Company Inc. with a mailing address to a large office center in Newport Beach, CA c/o Mark IV Capital. The park land (or the park as a whole? Hard to tell, if anyone knows the legal history or could interpret it better than I that would be appreciated) was sold to them in 1986. They appear to be nothing more than you're average real estate development/holding company, although I can't imagine it would be prohibitively expensive to buy them out as they are very much a Southwest/West Coast centric company.

Now, in regards to purchasing land...Universal actually has no shortage of land that it owns. The only thing is that all the other land isn't exactly close to the current development, and it is in some areas broken up by other land owners or major roads. Universal City Management Properties is relatively flush with developable land if they can come up with an efficient way of getting between its largest undeveloped parcel (an approx. 580 acre plot of 3 properties, plus another 100 acres if they buy out a vacant plot of land right on Sand Lake that borders the north side of said property).

I'm still digging (I love doing this kind of stuff, you should have seen me go when the Orlando Thrill Park was announced and I had everything tracked down and connected in about two hours. I was helping a friend at Rosen write a paper on its imminent failure), but there's a lot of land and a lot of different sales and such to look at. If you're curious, I would suggest starting here.

So maybe Universal will build all these theme parks in different areas around Orlando and attach them all by monorail? Maybe they can build a magic broom, ( Potter themed of course ), people can ride from one part of the city to the other?
Don't know how they will theme the ghetto of Orlando but anything is possible.



Jimmy Thick- LOL what?
 

lazyboy97o

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Um for starters, Fastpass is free to all resorts.

And there is no "magic" at Universal, just an illusion that takes guests to Disney World were there is real magic.
FastPass is also free for everybody else... Or do you just pretend those people don't exist?

Real magic? Uh huh.
 

Jimmy Thick

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FastPass is also free for everybody else... Or do you just pretend those people don't exist?

Real magic? Uh huh.

But for the new Universal resort, front of the line access will not be implemented for those paying customers.


Jimmy Thick- Staying off park will be cheaper...
 

novawildcat18

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Um for starters, Fastpass is free to all resorts.

And there is no "magic" at Universal, just an illusion that takes guests to Disney World were there is real magic.



Jimmy Thick- Keepin' it short, keepin' it simple...
Fastpass is free to anyone with a ticket. This is totally different than Universal's system. Just because the value resort doesn't have the Express Pass, doesn't mean it isn't a good thing. The hotel is a on-property themed experience with plenty of other perks. I'm not saying that Uni is going to overtake Disney as the main attraction in Orlando, I just think this is helping put Uni on the right track to be a staple in people's Orlando vacation.
 

Jimmy Thick

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Fastpass is free to anyone with a ticket. This is totally different than Universal's system. Just because the value resort doesn't have the Express Pass, doesn't mean it isn't a good thing. The hotel is a on-property themed experience with plenty of other perks. I'm not saying that Uni is going to overtake Disney as the main attraction in Orlando, I just think this is helping put Uni on the right track to be a staple in people's Orlando vacation.

Ok sooo with this line of thinking, it should be ok for Disney to only have Fastpass for people staying at deluxe resorts.


That makes complete sense.


Jimmy Thick- Thank God Iam a Contemporary kinda guy.
 

djlaosc

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You are missing Magical Express, Package Delivery, In-park Charging to the Room. These are items that people seem to genuinely value.

From the Universal Website...
http://www.universalorlando.com/Theme-Park-Tickets/Universal-Express.aspx
  • Complimentary delivery of merchandisepurchased throughout the resort to your on-site hotel room.
  • Resort-wide charging privileges with your room key card. Use your hotel room key card to charge food and merchandise at Universal Orlando locations where credit cards are accepted.
You would have to imagine that if Universal continue to grow, they will have their own version of Magical Express eventually.
 

novawildcat18

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Ok sooo with this line of thinking, it should be ok for Disney to only have Fastpass for people staying at deluxe resorts.


That makes complete sense.


Jimmy Thick- Thank God Iam a Contemporary kinda guy.
If Disney had a system where everyone had to pay for their Fastpass, then yes, I don't see why this would be a terrible thing. Since this is the system Uni has always used, they can give it for free to the deluxe members and the value members still need to pay extra for it.

Or they can wait in lines...like everyone else. I've never had the Express Pass and I've never needed it. The lines aren't terrible.
 

maxairmike

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So maybe Universal will build all these theme parks in different areas around Orlando and attach them all by monorail? Maybe they can build a magic broom, ( Potter themed of course ), people can ride from one part of the city to the other?
Don't know how they will theme the ghetto of Orlando but anything is possible.



Jimmy Thick- LOL what?

Do you know anything about the land and area I'm talking about? Obviously not. These are located in what have become commercial and somewhat industrial areas off of the major roads. Nowhere near "the ghetto" (unless you want to count Tangelo Park, but there's a reason the only time I go further up International Drive than Kirkman is for Sonic) of Orlando.
 

wdwmagic

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It would save a family of 4 $120 bucks, which is a decent sum. But unless they're taking a cab, hundreds is stretching it.
I'm thinking more of the guests who were renting cars, taking town cars etc. Some big savings to be had there by taking ME instead of that rental.
 

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