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Universal Creative VP Taking Over WDI Development
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LOL!!! I'll say hi to Ricky and Benicio del Toro too
Not quite that easy... I've been diving the wall in the Caribbean, just south of Guanica, PR and I've also been hitting up the BVI lately.
KingStefan
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I live about 40 miles east of there... however, I'll be there on Friday protesting at City Hall
KingStefan
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Good for you. Sounds awful. Good luck. With the limited information, though it sounds like it was the contractors fault, not the government. Badly handled in any case. Very sad all around.
I've already contacted my attorney, and with the number of civil rights violation and the amount of blatant police corruption on the island, I could be arrested in violation of my First and Eight amendment rights in the US constitution as well as Article II, sections 4 and 6 in the Puerto Rican constitution. He's agreed to post bond for me should I go to the pokey :lol:
Ding ding ding. Look at Kings Island. It always does slightly better than Cedar Point (yes it is open a few more days but still) it adds family rides with a mixture of big rides. Families spend money, thrill riders are cheap.
Though it is hard for anyone to argue about Cedar Point attendance being in direct correlation to the fact it is only building thrill rides. Roughly 60% of the park's visitors come from the Detroit area, one of the worst areas in the country job wise. No surprise that this year that percent has dropped big time. Cleveland isn't much better off. Add to the fact that the service has gone down hill and the food is more expensive that the food at Disney World or at a ballgame. Speaking of ballgames lets not forget the Indians and the Tigers both drew roughly 3 million more people (together in total) than a few years ago - chances are with the hard times Cleveland and Detroit are in people have had to make a decision... ballgame or Cedar Point. Thrill rides have helped Cedar Point attendance, their biggest year was when they introduced a roller coaster (Raptor) and no one can argue Magnum and Millennium Force didn't do wonders for the park not only with drawing more people but also with putting the park on the map (how many TV specials on roller coasters do you see that doesn't talk about Cedar Point). Thrill rides do help but attracting the family (as Kings Island does) helps over the long term.
Yes, people who go to Disney spend more but its hard to directly compare WDW to CP. Yes, CP has had attendance slumps but I will personally say after countless visits this year that this year was a great one for the park. Like people have said it all comes down to a family will spend more than a group of teens or young adults (CP's main draw).
vegetathedog
New Member
Midway Mania
Perhaps, one of the reasons hes been brought on is to work on Toy Story Midway Mania.
Perhaps, one of the reasons hes been brought on is to work on Toy Story Midway Mania.
Frank Stallone
New Member
Spiderman=the best ride in Orlando.
Great storyline, great use of technology, and great thrills (but still kid-friendly).
And it is entirely unnecessary to compare Disney with a park like Cedar Point.
Disney is a vacation destination for families that want to go somewhere where the whole family can have fun (as well as the sheeple that finally give in to the years and years of having Disney advertising crammed into their heads while at home).
Cedar Point, Six Flags, Etc. are niche parks that are targeted at a specific demographic of people that want to have their heart rate surge while on an attraction, not go into a comatose state when surrounded by a few hundred dolls singing about the world.
For every senior citizen that leaves Cedar Point dissapointed, there is a teenager that leaves Disney thinking "where were the thrills"?
The big knock on Disney is that it is not teen-friendly. They are probably content with that reputation, since teens aren't the ones in the family making the business decisions.
Great storyline, great use of technology, and great thrills (but still kid-friendly).
And it is entirely unnecessary to compare Disney with a park like Cedar Point.
Disney is a vacation destination for families that want to go somewhere where the whole family can have fun (as well as the sheeple that finally give in to the years and years of having Disney advertising crammed into their heads while at home).
Cedar Point, Six Flags, Etc. are niche parks that are targeted at a specific demographic of people that want to have their heart rate surge while on an attraction, not go into a comatose state when surrounded by a few hundred dolls singing about the world.
For every senior citizen that leaves Cedar Point dissapointed, there is a teenager that leaves Disney thinking "where were the thrills"?
The big knock on Disney is that it is not teen-friendly. They are probably content with that reputation, since teens aren't the ones in the family making the business decisions.
tirian
Well-Known Member
Disney doesn't target teens because teenagers (1) don't have too much money to spend and (2) generally tear things apart (Imagineers usually cite Grad Night as an example). Again, WDI didn't simply bring this man in to create roller coasters; they brought him in because he's committed to quality.
Scar Junior
Active Member
Dear lord, yes. I almost stopped reading due to the thread drift. I just want to echo all those positive sentiments of the new acquisition. I immediately thought of this being similar to the best sports team signing yet another star athlete.... (actually I thought of it being like Randy Moss joining the Patriots).
teebin
Member
finally, an article regarding his move!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/printedition/orl-switchsides2307oct23,0,6681562.story
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/printedition/orl-switchsides2307oct23,0,6681562.story
nibblesandbits
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Sorry, found it necessary to state, I don't know what teenagers you've been around, but when I was a teenager, not so long ago, I had tons of expendable money!!! I didn't have any "responsiblities" so I didn't have things that had to be paid for, so any money I had got to go towards whatever I wanted it to. I would buy tons of junk just b/c it looked interesting. (Or had NSYNC on it...but that's a whole other issue...:lookaroun ) So I don't see that as a reason for Disney not to target towards teens.
I think the main reason that Disney doesn't target teens as much is your second statement. A portion have no respect for things, which in turn ruins it for the others who do. (Example, at my local Six Flags, there is a wall at our Batman roller coaster that is just filled with gum. It's really gross, but you have to walk past it to get on the ride. They scrape the gum off every year, but each year, at the end of the season, there is piles of gum on it.) It's the portion of the teens who think they're so cool, too cool for Disney, who create some of the problems...especially on nights like Grad Night and that's why Disney doesn't always try to target teens.
ImaYoyo
Active Member
Teens have expendable money for a CD or t-shirt. Buying a few CDs is not what's driving record $$$. But good try. You own your own theme park. Who do YOU want visiting? 10,000 teens, or 5,000 adults with young children? If you picked the latter, you already know why Disney's formula is the most successful.
But at the same time, it's ok for others to think otherwise. Because that creates competition for Disney, and competition in free-market makes us all winners. But the fact of the matter is Disney's target audience is not teens, and it works perfectly fine that way, so much so, that they're the most successful theme-park company in the world.
But at the same time, it's ok for others to think otherwise. Because that creates competition for Disney, and competition in free-market makes us all winners. But the fact of the matter is Disney's target audience is not teens, and it works perfectly fine that way, so much so, that they're the most successful theme-park company in the world.
nibblesandbits
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oh, I know Teens aren't their main demo and I know I'd rather have families at my own park then teens...trust me...I see what happens at Six Flags and I'd take Disney any day over that. (For more reasons I can count.) The fact that teens aren't the target is definitely why Disney is number 1 over the other parks.
I was just saying, I had a lot more free money to spend when I was a teenager than I do now, as an adult. I have to scrimp and save for my Disney trips now vs when I was a teenager and didn't think twice about blowing my money around like it was water. It might have been on piddly stuff, but if I had actually wanted something bigger, I know I could have afforded it. I had the cash to blow b/c I didn't have any responsibilites. (This is also probably one reason why High School Musical stuff is so popular now...it may be a bit younger than teenagers, maybe a bit more tweeny, but then again, their are high schools that are putting on the play of High School Musical each year too, so...but the merchandise for HSM is selling like hotcakes and Zac Ephron is a huge teenage heartthrob.)
Edit: I do know though why Disney doesn't target teens...just wanted to state that I understand that.
Scar Junior
Active Member
tirian
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Teenagers generally don't purchase as much Disney merchandise as parents. :wave:
KingStefan
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Did you know that the company that was hired to do the visuals for Spiderman also did HISTA? I can't remember their name just now.
sillykid
Member
That's for sure. I run a common casual dining restaurant, and when homecoming, prom, you name it comes around, we get groups of 8 that order 4 orders of cheese sticks, 2 orders garlic breadsticks, and 8 waters for the table. Yeah they are probably spending mom and dad's money, but they are stingy, so they can have thier older sibling buy them beer. All teenagers do is get in the park, example Uni studios horror nights, and they don't spend a dime.
PintoColvig
Active Member
As an adult, I assume you are paying for a room, tickets, and food in addition to souvenirs. You may not have as much free money now but, as an adult, you will spend far more on a WDW visit than you did as a teen.
When I was a teenager, I certainly didn't spend tons of my own money at themeparks. Mom and Dad paid for the trip (hotel, tickets, and food) and they also forked out money on souvenirs. If I did spend my own money back in the day (mid-80s), it wouldn't have been more than $30. Now that I'm a parent, we will easily spend $700-$800 on stuff for the whole fam (in addition to room, board, park entrance and transportation to WDW). Yep, I'm Disney's target.