Universal Creative VP Taking Over WDI Development

[ImaYoyo]

I see we're on the right page on a lot of things, but not everything. You state the majority of new attractions since Rock'n'roller coaster have been thrill rides, but that's not true. Since RnR, we've added lots of shows (Nemo, Turtle Talk, Laugh Floor, Lights Motors Action), lots of non-thrill attractions (Nemo, Stitch [yes, I hate it too, but it's fairly popular], Soarin, Philharmagic, Soon to be Toy Story Mania, Majaraja Jungle Trek, Kali River Rapids ect... that's just a piece of the list. Thrills help, but in moderation.

If you ever get a chance, I'd recommend taking the Disney Institute program Team Park Challenge. There may even be some materials from that program online, but that I'm not sure of. It really hits home with the thrills-in-moderation theme.

If anyone would have stated those exact words I would have quoted them on it. However after reading the last several pages of this thread an overall theme became apparent to me. Not to mention that some comments have definitely implied the following even though it was nopt specifically stated as such:

(Thrill rides don't bring in the number of people like typical old school Disney attractions do - thus the reason why WDW is so successful yet places like CP and Six Flags lag very far behind.)

All I did was point out the fact that the majority of new WDW attractions have indeed been thrill rides. That kind of dispells the theory that thrill rides only play to a small demographic of our population - being as WDW attendance numbers are on the rise and breaking records.

The best part of all this is that I have generally agreed with everything *you* have stated thus far! :wave:

 

[DisneyYorkian74]

Right, thrill rides don't attract people, that is why Disney built RnR, ToT, EE, closed WoM for TT and destroyed Horizons to build M:S. Of course they broke attendance records after making thos changes.

As far as CP being compared to the Disney parks goes it is like trying to decide who is better at basketball - the Denver Broncos or the Seattle Mariners.

They are 2 different kinds of parks and CP is a great place as are any of the Disney parks.

Don't get me wrong - Splash Mountain and Expedition Everest are beautifuly themed rides, but sometimes those big steel behemoths are beautiful in their own "magical" way!

Did you read the entire thread or did you just post this post for the sake of being redundant?

It's already been stated over and over that "Disney thrill rides" like Test Track and Mission: Space are quite different than the "Bad A$$" thrills you'll find at Cedar Point or Six Flags.

"Disney" type of thrill rides (Milder thrills, not "Bad A$$") will attract people.

I'm not sure how many more different ways I can correct what I meant in my original post so I hope people get the message now...

 

[mkt]

Very interesting, you wouldnt think that Disney would hire someone from a competing company. Whatever is best for the company i guess.

Nope... it's quite common across corporate America (including Disney) to try and steal... err lure, the best and brightest away

 

[ImaYoyo]

I think where JMV is coming from is that we're all on the same path, yet coming from slightly different directions

Did you read the entire thread or did you just post this post for the sake of being redundant?

It's already been stated over and over that "Disney thrill rides" like Test Track and Mission: Space are quite different than the "Bad A$$" thrills you'll find at Cedar Point or Six Flags.

"Disney" type of thrill rides (Milder thrills, not "Bad A$$") will attract people.

I'm not sure how many more different ways I can correct what I meant in my original post so I hope people get the message now...

 

[ImaYoyo]

Nope... it's quite common across corporate America (including Disney) to try and steal... err lure, the best and brightest away

Not working one of the many "Screaming Fans" shifts tonight?

 

[DisneyYorkian74]

(Thrill rides don't bring in the number of people like typical old school Disney attractions do - thus the reason why WDW is so successful yet places like CP and Six Flags lag very far behind.)

All I did was point out the fact that the majority of new WDW attractions have indeed been thrill rides. That kind of dispells the theory that thrill rides only play to a small demographic of our population - being as WDW attendance numbers are on the rise and breaking records.

I had no idea that so many people wouldn't get what I was trying to say in my original post because you still don't get it...

I am definitely not saying that only "old school" Disney attractions attract a lot of people nor am I saying that thrill rides in general only cater to a certain type of group.

I am saying that roller coasters and various other attractions you'll find at other "thrill only" type parks are the types of rides that attract little amount of people compared to Disney.

While milder thrills such as Expedition Everest or Test Track along side with a mix of non-thrill types of rides appeal to many people.

And those are the types of parks that make the most money.

 

[Silvermist]

I am "thrilled" by a completely immersive experience. The realism and attention to detail that transports you to another place and time. When I enter POC, HM, SSE, etc. I leave reality behind and take a journey to another place for a few minutes. It's what I love about WDW and what sets it apart.

I also love TOT and RNR and rides like them have a place at Disney Parks, but what makes TOT so great is not going up in an elevator and getting dropped, it's the amazing attention to detail throughout the attraction that sets the mood and transports you. Spiderman at IOA is a great ride that took everything to a whole new level. I'd choose an "experience" like that over just a "ride" any day.

 

[imagineer boy]

Very interesting. Hopefully this will bring some great change to the WDW parks.

 

[Lee]

And even the old timer of WDW itself had standbys of 70 minutes regularly last week.

THAT'S scary right there.
Wait over an hour to ride Broken-Back...er, I mean Space Mountain?
No thanks. I'll only wait 20 min or less, and then only when I need a chiropractic adjustment anyway.

But back on topic....which is a bit off anyway.
Just because the guy worked for Uni Creative doesn't mean he plans to dump thrill rides everywhere. Please.
Thrill rides are important, and have their proper place at Disney parks. The key is balance. Anyhow...the guy's in R&D, not creative.

 

[AEfx]

But back on topic....which is a bit off anyway.
Just because the guy worked for Uni Creative doesn't mean he plans to dump thrill rides everywhere. Please.
Thrill rides are important, and have their proper place at Disney parks. The key is balance. Anyhow...the guy's in R&D, not creative.

Thanks for putting this in perspective. I had the same thoughts as I was reading through the thread.

That said, I've always thought how great it would be if we could get a bit of Universal's chutzpah and combine it with Disney magic. It's a nice thought to have.

AEfx

 

[phenom1307]

whats the big deal with you people...i said maybe he could bring some bada$$ rides to disney...i didnt mean the place would be filled with them. just one or 2. i for one like disney just how it is but i also love roller coasters and wouldnt mind seeing a couple of new ones. the dueling dragons coaster over at IOA was originally going to be placed in DAK until disney scrapped the beastly kingdom idea.

 

[DisneyChik17]

Regardless of what brings in more people... this makes me happy. Actually, so happy. See: :sohappy:

I like thrills. I like upside down roller coasters. I like blaring music. My favorite roller coaster is The Hulk. Yep. Now, what is it lacking? A story.

If this guy can bring me, I mean, Disney World something like The Hulk with a great story then BRING IT! I will be even more anxious for my next trip.

This will be a good thing.

 

[prberk]

I am "thrilled" by a completely immersive experience. The realism and attention to detail that transports you to another place and time. When I enter POC, HM, SSE, etc. I leave reality behind and take a journey to another place for a few minutes. It's what I love about WDW and what sets it apart.

I also love TOT and RNR and rides like them have a place at Disney Parks, but what makes TOT so great is not going up in an elevator and getting dropped, it's the amazing attention to detail throughout the attraction that sets the mood and transports you. Spiderman at IOA is a great ride that took everything to a whole new level. I'd choose an "experience" like that over just a "ride" any day.

Overall I would agree with this post the most. It is the immersive experience that is most endearing to me -- and enduring at Disney's parks. It is what sets them apart from cheap thrills at other amusement parks. That distinction is most important, no matter whether the ride is "thrilling" or not....

Paul

 

[KingStefan]

...Anyhow...the guy's in R&D, not creative.

He WAS in Creative. Then he wrote, produced, and directed the film for Spiderman. After that I thought he was VP of Parks and Resorts. Is that wrong? Hard to get information on him. How do you know he's R&D?

 

[coasterphil]

I'm just hoping he brings over the jello shot girls from HHN to the Magic Kingdom. :lol:

 

[mary219]

I didn't read through the whole thread ,but perhaps with mgm gone-disney studios can in some form be a thrill ride type of park like IOA?that would be good ,yes or no?

 

[JEANYLASER]

I am so happy Scott will be in the Disney Family! I hope Scott will make some new rides in the old Imagination ride and the 3D movie and theater too!

 

[jmvd20]

I had no idea that so many people wouldn't get what I was trying to say in my original post because you still don't get it...

Calm down there - I never said anywhere that I disagreed with you nor did I qoute anything you said.

Of course you need a mix of shows, mild rides, and thrill rides in order to be sucessful. In my opinion so far Disney has done the best job of finding a good balance between these types of attractions which is why they dominate the competition.

However there are some other parks that are not trying to get the largest number of people into the gates, some appeal to the smaller demographics on purpose.

All in all I think most of us are saying the same things, just in a different tone.

On a side note I have seen no one complain that Trowbridge will turn WDW into a massive thrill park so I am not sure where that has come from. I think the mention of his involvement in Spiderman just got us discussing thrill rides which of course led to this...

 

[Dskipper]

daily numbers from disney

i cant really tell you all the numbers of the mk against the rules but if you walk the park on a slow day and you see no fast passes running then there is less then 29,000 people in the park, that is the rule they take down fast pass at that point for the day. now the slowest days on (off peak) is a week day and can be around 15,000 to about 30,000 and a weekend off peak can be from 25,000 up to about 40,000 now average summer 45,000 and up 4thjuly weekend and any other holliday really 65,000 up to 85,000 (x-mass) and pretty much at 85,000 when youre a cast member you want to go shot youre self because you will get 85,000 people asking you when the 3 o clock parade is. so add that up abouts and hope that helps:wave:

 

[Jose Eber]

oooookay some misnomers here . . .

Space Mountain was NOT a 'bad a$$' or 'thrill ride' when it opened. Montezuma's Revenge was. 0-55 mph in 4.5 seconds. Space is not launched, space only goes 27/32 mph. Chain lift. Get the picture?

If you want a park that is 'disney' you are going to have to go after the 'kids market'. Sorry. Its what pays the bills! The memories created in children's lives takes a huge investment. These kids come back with their kids etc. I still like riding the smaller rides simply because it 'takes me back'.

Build Kinda Ka's or Hulks, or intense rides that don't suit the whole family, you are limiting your market. How is this even debatable? Higher hight limits, higher tolerance for thrills, you limit the number of people that can attend.

I have no idea who this guy is, but, imo Disney needs people who know kids, understand kids and can create rides like Peter Pan etc. that suits them.