TSM Troubles

[jt04]

I don't think ST2 will have a dramatic effect on TSM wait times. Until TDO comes up with an attraction with equally wide appeal not much is going to slow down the TSM goliath.

I wonder if they have given thought to duplicating TSMM -adding a second track in the same building. Or if that is feasible. Of course this should not be done in lieu of adding other new attractions.

Wow, couldn't disagree more. ST2 will have all simulators going and be incredibly repeatable. From what I understand it is far more than a refurb. Lately management has been lowering expectations on new attractions but ST2 is being hyped and even called a game changer.

That will give DHS 4 legitimate E-tickets IMO as I now consider TSMM to have proven itself to be of that caliber.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Wow, couldn't disagree more. ST2 will have all simulators going and be incredibly repeatable. From what I understand it is far more than a refurb. Lately management has been lowering expectations on new attractions but ST2 is being hyped and even called a game changer.

That will give DHS 4 legitimate E-tickets IMO as I now consider TSMM to have proven itself to be of that caliber.

I agree. But I think we can look at DHS now and say that after Star Tours 2.0, it doesn't need an additional D/E-Ticket like the Monster's Inc Coaster, but a couple of C-Tickets.

Both DHS and AK need to get their ride counts up, and I think it's quite a bit easier to do that in DHS. If they want to continue to crank out quality D tickets that are also family friendly then I would support that, but lately D/E ticket has meant height requirement and not family friendly.

 

[jt04]

I agree. But I think we can look at DHS now and say that after Star Tours 2.0, it doesn't need an additional D/E-Ticket like the Monster's Inc Coaster, but a couple of C-Tickets.

Both DHS and AK need to get their ride counts up, and I think it's quite a bit easier to do that in DHS. If they want to continue to crank out quality D tickets that are also family friendly then I would support that, but lately D/E ticket has meant height requirement and not family friendly.

I'm an advocate for DHS skewing to families with teens while still offering something for everyone. In other words, lack of height restrictions should be low on the priority list imo.

Why hasn't anybody suggested DHS get the Monsters Inc ride from Tokyo?

I wouldn't mind if they removed the kids playground and counter service in that area and added the Tokyo dark ride, the proposed MI coaster and a slightly more edgy Laugh Floor in a kind of Monsters mini-land. That would skew the place to an older audience and create an amazing 'land'. That is the direction DHS should take IMO.

It would merge perfectly with New York street also.

 

[Monty]

Prior to TSMM re-opening, waits at RnRC and ToT were running around 30 mins or more. After it opened both never went above 20 minutes and were walk-on more often than not.

We rode TSMM once using FPs because the waits were too long (longest we saw was 100, shortest was 60). At it's current popularity we would never ride it without FPs, it's not that good a ride to wait over an hour for.

 

[mp2bill]

I know it just went through a refurb, but I wonder if there's any way/any space to expand the ride, thus allowing more people to be on the ride at once. I know that Stage Lane is right behind the TSMM, but maybe they'd be about to reroute it (although, probably not unless they got rid of the backstage tour)...or maybe they can build up and have the ride be a multi-level ride.

 

[thelookingglass]

If theres one ride that absolutely should NOT have Fastpass, its TSMM.

 

[Monty]

If theres one ride that absolutely should NOT have Fastpass, its TSMM.

I couldn't disagree more. Without FP I would never ride it.

 

[thelookingglass]

If it didn't have Fastpass, you wouldn't have to stand in a line that basically does not move, at all. With Fastpass on rides with low capacity and high demand such as TSMM, you still end up waiting a good 20 minutes anyway. I'd rather wait in a swiftly moving 45 minute line than have to deal with fighting to get a Fastpass at all, with the only other option being waiting in a 100+ minute line that moves about an inch per minute.

All for a ride that is, at best, a C or D ticket.

See reports of DCA's TSMM which does not have Fastpass. Significantly shorter wait times + a line that does not stop moving.

 

[Monty]

If it didn't have Fastpass, you wouldn't have to stand in a line that basically does not move, at all. With Fastpass on rides with low capacity and high demand such as TSMM, you still end up waiting a good 20 minutes anyway. I'd rather wait in a swiftly moving 45 minute line than have to deal with fighting to get a Fastpass at all, with the only other option being waiting in a 100+ minute line that moves about an inch per minute.

All for a ride that is, at best, a C or D ticket.

See reports of DCA's TSMM which does not have Fastpass. Significantly shorter wait times + a line that does not stop moving.

The comparison to DCA serves no purpose. Different type of queue (outdoor vs indoor), different park with different quantity and styles of ride and different crowds.

The reality is if there is no FP, there are more people in Standby but it moves more steadily, a 45-minute wait in a smooth-moving line or a 45-minute wait in a slower-moving line is still 45 minutes that I wouldn't wait for that ride.

You are entitled to think what you want, but there is no way you can convince me that TSMM should not have FP.

 

[the-reason14]

And I rather have fastpass. Unless they were to rid fastpass in place for a singles line again, then maybe then I wouldn't mind TSM fastpass going away. But if not, then nope. I stood in line for the DCA one last year, and it was maybe 10 minutes after the park opened and the line was already long. I can't remember what the posted wait time was, but I know that it was long. Maybe not as long and slow moving as mgms but still long regardless. After discovering they had a singles line, I didn't stand in line for it anymore though.

 

[Tigger1988]

I'll never get comparing the DCA and DHS wait times. Totally different crowds, park layouts and amount of attractions offered make it apples to oranges.

FP is a godsend on TSMM. I'll continue to use it and wait maybe 5 minutes to ride, as opposed to standing in line for 100+ minutes.

 

[hpyhnt 1000]

I also would like to see what TSMM is like without FastPass, even if its just experimental for a week or so. The main reason the stand-by line is always horrendously long is because of FP (combined with a relatively slow load process). I don't know if its the sheer number of passes given out or a lot or people returning after thier time, but whatever it is, the result is the stand-by line barely moves.

Anyone remember the nightmare Haunted Mansion became when it had Fastpass installed? Stand-by waits ballooned when FP was added, and this was on a constantly moving omnimover with a rather large capacity. And then there's the DCA version of the attraction which we know has shorter waits without FP (though the park differences do kind of negate that comparison). Whats the worse that could happen by removing FP? After all, it can't make the stand-by line any worse can it?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Annual attendance is also much lower at DCA (6.1 million in 2009 vs. 9.7 million for DHS).

I'm not sure to what degree a new ride like the Monster's Inc. coaster would offset TSMM crowds. It surely would increase park capacity and give families with young children more to do, but it would not be another interactive Toy Story themed ride without a height restriction.

 

[Studios Fan]

At the end of the day you have to hope for two things:

1. Disney figures out a way to increase capacity at TSMM.

2. They need to add more family rides now. I would actually prefer a high capacity Monsters Inc. ride like Tokyo has versus the coaster. Ride and Go Seek would be a better option in a park that has capacity problems (these are only going to get worse when Star Tours closes).

 

[fosse76]

I'll never get comparing the DCA and DHS wait times. Totally different crowds, park layouts and amount of attractions offered make it apples to oranges.

FP is a godsend on TSMM. I'll continue to use it and wait maybe 5 minutes to ride, as opposed to standing in line for 100+ minutes.

Fine. Try getting in line when the park is closing. Miraculously, the full queue takes 30 minutes.

 

[stefan74]

Yes! After riding TSM I can't even bring myself to care about the Buzz ride.

That said, I love TSM but I don't wait 2 hours for anything. So getting to the park upon opening and grabbing a FP is a must. I've never waited more than 5 minutes for it.

I love this ride as well and I have been able to ride it twice as well as the other thrill rides there, and it was crowded last December. The best thing to do is to ride it first thing in the morning. After that ride, get in the fastpass line and get a fastpass. Then go ride the other rides. I have used the fastpasses even after my time to return has passed. I hope this tip helps those who love this ride and would like to ride it more than once.

 

[AndyMagic]

I wouldn't wait a quarter-hour for this ride, let alone 45 minutes, but obviously most people like this much more than I do. To me, it's just a bunch of screens, and some very simple games, or rather, the same game over and over. It is technically a ride, but the ride simply gets you to the next screen. Would you wait a long time to play a 3D shooting gallery game? That's the question to ask yourself.

I just got back from the World and gave this ride a try for the second time and completely agree. It isn't really a ride so much as it is a boring arcade game. The vehicle technically moves but it would be the same experience if you sat in a stationary vehicle and the 3-D screens changed over to a different game every 20 seconds or so. Why people think this "ride" is anything but a minor diversion is beyond me. It's a C-ticket to me.

 

[Magenta Panther]

I just got back from the World and gave this ride a try for the second time and completely agree. It isn't really a ride so much as it is a boring arcade game. The vehicle technically moves but it would be the same experience if you sat in a stationary vehicle and the 3-D screens changed over to a different game every 20 seconds or so. Why people think this "ride" is anything but a minor diversion is beyond me. It's a C-ticket to me.

I have to agree. It's cute, but to me it's a slightly upgraded Pooh-type ride. Or a slightly better-done Nemo ride. Nothing spectacular. But I suppose it's not too bad, as far as Pixar-based attractions go. Frankly, I like the Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor a lot better. It's a lot more fun.